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And the artist smurf, whatever his name was. He had a paint brush and a funny accent hmmmmm i dunno.

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XxAnthraxusxX wrote:
Were there any gay smurfs?

Yes. Vanity Smurf

EDIT: With an image bonus


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Apologies ahead of time for taking this off-topic.

Timespike wrote:
Jews probably see my eating of bacon to be horrifying...

I know you were making a greater point here, Timespike, but on this one observation I'd say not necessarily. Pork eating, for many orthodox Jews, is just one of those things they were told not to do on a long list of fundamental practices. In vegetarian restaurants where they serve vegan fakemeats you see orthodox Jews devouring veggie ham and the like. It's a mockery of forbidden fruit but I've even seen rabbis dive into it with zeal.

Now, as a vegetarian my only problem with bacon is that when my friend Pat regularly cooks it, like fish, the air fills with the smell of it, and there's no escape and I have to step outside. THAT'S MOLECULAR PORK INSIDE MY LUNGS! RUN! If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)


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The Jade wrote:
Now, as a vegetarian my only problem with bacon is that when my friend Pat regularly cooks it, like fish, the air fills with the smell of it, and there's no escape and I have to step outside. THAT'S MOLECULAR PORK INSIDE MY LUNGS! RUN! If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

Just admit it... YOU EAT PORN LIKE THE REST OF US!

*looks around at everyone staring at him*
What? You guys don't eat porn?


Garydee wrote:
Taliesin Hoyle wrote:
I find religion abhorrent. I think it is a weakness of the imagination, and a shackle for the mind. Part of the reason for my take on religion is the intolerance and bigotry that seems to accompany it. The previous poster claimed that he has a gay mentor, who is precious to him, but that he cannot condone the man's sexuality? WTF? I will not post on this thread again. Just know that there are people out there who find your twisted Judeo-Christian take on human potential as perverse and twisted as you seem to hold gays to be. I have more gay friends than Christian friends. They are just far more pleasant to be around.
I find it kind of odd that this kind of statement goes unpunished by the board moderator but yet one person makes an anti-gay statement and you'd think the world has come to an end. Unbelievable.

Indeed.


Can we have an "I'm gay for Paizo" T-shirt?

Paizo staff... don't bury this issue away. Contact gaygamer.net and let them know how you're standing your ground on the issue. Controversy is a good thing. People showing up to honestly admit their predjudices, though not sterile game talk, is what makes these boards a place worth coming to even when you don't want to talk statblocks. What's more, notice how after discussion tunes have slightly changed. I once said 'organized religion' and Steve Greer came on to explain how that term often led to a sort of bigotry and you know what? I never thought about religion, or religious people quite the same way again. I changed some of my core opinions because of the chance to talk candidly with another poster here who took the time to explain his views. That's very powerful. To me, it's more important than RPGs.

In a month I'm slated to write an adventure with a homosexual BBEG. First people I'm calling when it's done is gaygamer for publicity. Let them ask me, "Why's he gotta be evil?"

And I'll tell them... because he wore that shirt with those slacks.


Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Gurubabaramalamaswami wrote:
I'd like to see this whole thread suppressed.

Can we stop with the "Close the thread" requests? Every time things get a bit confrontational now (after the febrile few weeks on the playtest threads) someone seems to pop up and demand a thread is closed. Let's talk it out, or walk away, but let's not burden Paizo with our arguments and demand they close the threads we don't like.

Gurubabaramalamaswami wrote:
Just play nice.
Agree totally with that.

Aubrey: it's nice to see that by page 3 things are starting to become reasonable again, but it was a long road to get there.


GentleGiant wrote:
The Jade wrote:
Now, as a vegetarian my only problem with bacon is that when my friend Pat regularly cooks it, like fish, the air fills with the smell of it, and there's no escape and I have to step outside. THAT'S MOLECULAR PORK INSIDE MY LUNGS! RUN! If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

Just admit it... YOU EAT PORN LIKE THE REST OF US!

*looks around at everyone staring at him*
What? You guys don't eat porn?

When I hear the doorknob turn, I have been known to eat porn in a 'disposing of the evidence' sort of way. Sure. Who hasn't? It's DVDs that are the problem. No matter how you chew they slice the gums like they were designed for it.


Dead Horse wrote:
Gurubabaramalamaswami wrote:
Dead Horse wrote:
<==== Gay Christian Equine
What?

It says I'm a gay Christian equine...

:|

Please do not hurt me sir.

Uhhh...what?

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The Jade wrote:

Apologies ahead of time for taking this off-topic.

Timespike wrote:
Jews probably see my eating of bacon to be horrifying...

If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

Um... I prefer to look at porn, not inhale it. :-)


Timespike wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Whether you have faith or not, surely you see that some people actively promote intolerance in the name of religion? I don't think all religous people are evil, but certainly many do evil in the name of religion. I don't see groups of homosexuals out promoting intolerance or strapping bombs to themselves and running into hospitals, and until I do, I just don't see the hypocrisy.
People do evil in the name of all KINDS of things. Religion, politics (both left and right in roughly equal amounts, and if the scale's imbalanced, wait a few years), science, corporate interest, self-interest, the list goes on and on and on and ON. Religion hardly has a corner on bad behavior of any kind. For the record, I consider myself a Christian (a non-denominational protestant) and sit on the line between conservative and libertarian, politically-speaking. I have some somewhat traditional views of morality as it applies to my own conduct, but I see it pointless to try to hold anyone to them who doesn't willingly and voluntarily subscribe to the underlying belief system first. Jews probably see my eating of bacon to be horrifying (and dieticians, too, but oh well) but I think the average Jew on the street doesn't worry about my eating bacon as long as I don't make HIM do it (the average dietician is probably losing sleep over it, though). I feel that way about a number of behaviors, including extramarital sexual relations. (I waited. Almost none of my friends did. Neither did either of my siblings, for that matter. That's their choice. None of them ridiculed me for mine, so I'll gladly return the favor.) There are places where this "live & let live" idea doesn't work so well, though; but those behaviors are on the books as crimes.

I was accused of hypocrisy because I expressed a dislike for religion, yet condemned someone's dislike of homosexuality. Homosexuality is a characteristic; it doesn't exist as a separate entity. Religions has dogmas irrespective of membership. In many cases, it is this dogma I find distasteful, because it leads otherwise good people to do evil things.

I agree that racism and nationalism are also common causes of intolerance, but in my opinion even a cursory study of history shows religion to be numbero uno. Either way, it is a fact that many organized religions openly promote intolerance, a fact which I find abhorrent. Does that mean all religous people are intolerant? Of course not.

In any case, I do not refer to those of religous conviction as "disgusting" or "perverted," charges I often see levelled against homosexuals, nearly always by persons of faith. As neither a homosexual or a person of faith, how do you expect me to react to that experience?


Kruelaid wrote:

You, Sam, and Gurubalabamalariasalami have all made excellent points that I hope our secular friends here will consider carefully. MI've got a personal stake in this in that my brother and sister in law are very open minded, well-educated scientists, but it stops when they get onto the topic of religion - their intolerance really bothers me sometimes.

So: "We shall not tolerate intolerance of intolerance!"

Let that be our rallying cry!

Guru-baba-rama-lama-swami. Guru for short. :)

Hey! People are taking my avatar! Stop that!


=)

I couldn't remember it so I tried to slaughter it with as much ridicule as possible.

All in fun!

;)


Now ther is a "Homosexuality On Golarion" thread to complement the "Homosexuality In Golarion" thread? Isn't that sort of redundant?


It's a tradition here.


XxAnthraxusxX wrote:
Now ther is a "Homosexuality On Golarion" thread to complement the "Homosexuality In Golarion" thread? Isn't that sort of redundant?

It's title is a misquote and it references this thread. This thread is the topic of that thread.


The Jade wrote:

Now, as a vegetarian my only problem with bacon is that when my friend Pat regularly cooks it, like fish, the air fills with the smell of it, and there's no escape and I have to step outside. THAT'S MOLECULAR PORK INSIDE MY LUNGS! RUN! If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

I was going to post something about why sex matters in an RPG, but then I read this... 15 lbs. of PORN???? I'm not sure, is that alot??? :)


Kruelaid wrote:

=)

I couldn't remember it so I tried to slaughter it with as much ridicule as possible.

All in fun!

;)

I spent about 5+ minutes trying to bungle Kruelaid and came up with nothing. I can see mine as being much easier. Enjoyed the salami part by the way. :)

Silver Crusade

JTStorm wrote:
The Jade wrote:

Now, as a vegetarian my only problem with bacon is that when my friend Pat regularly cooks it, like fish, the air fills with the smell of it, and there's no escape and I have to step outside. THAT'S MOLECULAR PORK INSIDE MY LUNGS! RUN! If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

I was going to post something about why sex matters in an RPG, but then I read this... 15 lbs. of PORN???? I'm not sure, is that alot??? :)

Those erotic cakes are that good.

Don't buy them from Patrick Stewart though.


bugleyman wrote:
Timespike wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Whether you have faith or not, surely you see that some people actively promote intolerance in the name of religion? I don't think all religous people are evil, but certainly many do evil in the name of religion. I don't see groups of homosexuals out promoting intolerance or strapping bombs to themselves and running into hospitals, and until I do, I just don't see the hypocrisy.
People do evil in the name of all KINDS of things. Religion, politics (both left and right in roughly equal amounts, and if the scale's imbalanced, wait a few years), science, corporate interest, self-interest, the list goes on and on and on and ON. Religion hardly has a corner on bad behavior of any kind. For the record, I consider myself a Christian (a non-denominational protestant) and sit on the line between conservative and libertarian, politically-speaking. I have some somewhat traditional views of morality as it applies to my own conduct, but I see it pointless to try to hold anyone to them who doesn't willingly and voluntarily subscribe to the underlying belief system first. Jews probably see my eating of bacon to be horrifying (and dieticians, too, but oh well) but I think the average Jew on the street doesn't worry about my eating bacon as long as I don't make HIM do it (the average dietician is probably losing sleep over it, though). I feel that way about a number of behaviors, including extramarital sexual relations. (I waited. Almost none of my friends did. Neither did either of my siblings, for that matter. That's their choice. None of them ridiculed me for mine, so I'll gladly return the favor.) There are places where this "live & let live" idea doesn't work so well, though; but those behaviors are on the books as crimes.

I never said anything about religion being the only source of evil. You may think I'm splitting hairs, but to me intolerance is clearly a subset of evil.

I was accused of hypocrisy because I expressed a dislike for religion, yet...

With proper language. Disagreeing with religious dogma and fanaticism in the name of God is far different than making a blanket statement condemning religion in general. There are a great many devoutly religious people who are also fully rational and capable of being reasonable, loving, and not condemning of others.

People are simply different. In no wise should anyonebe condemned for that.


Matthew Morris wrote:
The Jade wrote:

Apologies ahead of time for taking this off-topic.

Timespike wrote:
Jews probably see my eating of bacon to be horrifying...

If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

Um... I prefer to look at porn, not inhale it. :-)

LOL! OH! I seem to have mistyped.


Gurubabaramalamaswami wrote:
Stuff that is no longer in my post

In fairness, I wanted to chime in and say I edited my post after Guru posted. His quotation of me is correct.

Anyway, I:

(1) Completely understand that not all religious people are intolerant.
(2) See organized religion as the greatest source of intolerance in the world.

I'm sorry, but I do not see how these beliefs are mutually exclusive.


The Jade wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
The Jade wrote:

Apologies ahead of time for taking this off-topic.

Timespike wrote:
Jews probably see my eating of bacon to be horrifying...

If I spent a year at Pat's house, died, and then required an autopsy, they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

Um... I prefer to look at porn, not inhale it. :-)
LOL! OH! I seem to have mistyped.

Oops! We took you at face value.

You are, after all, The Jade!


Gurubabaramalamaswami wrote:
LOL! OH! I seem to have mistyped.

Oops! We took you at face value.

You are, after all, The Jade!

Ya got me gigglin' over here. Fair enough. ;)

The Exchange

bugleyman wrote:


Anyway, I completely understand that not all religious people are intolerant. I just see organized religion as the greatest source of intolerance in the world. I do not see how these beliefs are mutually exclusive.

I have to ask what pray tell causes you to feel this way. I have noticed a disturbing trend of people thinking this way. Most of them however have little or no knowledge of organized religions.So why do you have this prejudice against "Organized" groups as say an un-organized one??


Crimson Jester wrote:
bugleyman wrote:


Anyway, I completely understand that not all religious people are intolerant. I just see organized religion as the greatest source of intolerance in the world. I do not see how these beliefs are mutually exclusive.

I have to ask what pray tell causes you to feel this way. I have noticed a disturbing trend of people thinking this way. Most of them however have little or no knowledge of organized religions.So why do you have this prejudice against "Organized" groups as say an un-organized one??

I find the use of the word "prejudice" to be presumptive. But to answer your question, large and organized bodies are simply more able to affect change. No doubt that there are tolerant and intolerant religious groups of various sizes and levels of organization, but the ones that tend to have the most effect (and in the case of intolerance, that effect is negative) are the larger and more organized ones. I also think that there is a groupthink dynamic inherent in large groups of people. It is fairly well documented that the larger the group (religious or secular), the less sense of responsiblity its members demonstrate. See here .


Matthew Morris wrote:

Roguerogue... I have one flaw with your arguement.

Nualia and Tsuto's obsession with her.

Shayliss's slutting after male characters.

Aldren's treatment of his wife

Vorel's vengeance on Kasanda

Ironbriar's involvement with serial killers.

The hetero-incestious inbreeding of Mammy Maul

Mr. Mutt's torture

That's just a brief review of RotRL.

Damn Paizo for perpetuating the image of Evil Heterosexuals!

To the OP. I'm really indifferent to the orientation of NPCs, as long as it's part of them, not their definition. IOW, as long as they're not gay characters they're characters who are gay.

Hope that makes sense.

Yes, in the event that heterosexuals should be deemed insane for decades and imprisoned/castrated for being heterosexual, and no other reason, you will have a telling argument.

In addition, there's tons of positive representations of heterosexuality in that adventure path, which makes for what I was calling for: balance.

Asking for balance is radical now?


I just wanted to say it was nice to read this entire thread, and throughout the majority of it things were *quite* civil. A Thank You to XxAnthraxusxX for his very civil return post.

As for gay characters - how could you all miss Volioker Briskalberd, the Locksmith of Sandpoint! He kept trying to drink the Dwarf in my party under the table, but this human woman (partymember) kept dragging him back to the inn. :)

Shayliss ended up going for the transgendered party member as well (who went for it, but heard Van coming).

By the way Roguerouge - I'm with you on being cautious about the evil dead lesbian cliche, but I think we're in pretty safe hands. (Of course that's what everyone thought with Joss Whedon and Buffy too...)

Dark Archive

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The Jade wrote:

they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

You eat porn? Personally i just watch it.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Well the thread started to get a bit to far out their but it seems to come back around now. Hopefully it can get back on topic a bit better. Though i think the OP has had his question answered. Though i would like to know who the iconic is that is in the closet.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
The Jade wrote:

they'd find 15 lbs of porn in me that I never ate. ;)

You eat porn? Personally i just watch it.

My dear, that joke is SO an hour ago. ;-)


Majuba wrote:

I just wanted to say it was nice to read this entire thread, and throughout the majority of it things were *quite* civil. A Thank You to XxAnthraxusxX for his very civil return post.

As for gay characters - how could you all miss Volioker Briskalberd, the Locksmith of Sandpoint! He kept trying to drink the Dwarf in my party under the table, but this human woman (partymember) kept dragging him back to the inn. :)

Shayliss ended up going for the transgendered party member as well (who went for it, but heard Van coming).

By the way Roguerouge - I'm with you on being cautious about the evil dead lesbian cliche, but I think we're in pretty safe hands. (Of course that's what everyone thought with Joss Whedon and Buffy too...)

Thanks. I decided that I wanted to speak now and risk being proven wrong but possibly influence the editorial staff, than remain silent and possibly be proven right and be disappointed.

[Thread jack]

If you'd like to read a reasoned and even-handed take on that controversy in Buffy, try:

http://www.slayageonline.com/essays/slayage13_14/Tabron.htm

You can find my take on that controversy in paragraph 77 here:

http://www.slayageonline.com/essays/slayage22/Kociemba.htm

Suffice it to say, my opinion on that issue in the series is that the creators got defensive and badly handled the situation, 'cause both sides had a point and both stopped listening.

[/thread jack]

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GentleGiant wrote:


My dear, that joke is SO an hour ago. ;-)

Yeah I know but when i come across a thread, I quote and comment as I go. Which is why you sometimes see a thread with 3-4 posts from me in a row. Plus I would never miss a chance to take a jab at Jade even a late one.

Plus I just woke up, so this was my first chance. :)


In less than twenty four hours this thread has become the third most replied to on the General Discussion board of Pathfinder (along with having its own commentary thread), knocking off discussions about fourth edition among other things. I remember someone (you know who you are) saying that "no one wants to see that", that is apparently not true. Homosexuality is a very big issue, this is not at all what I expected when I first started this thread.

However It has derailed quite a bit from my intention, I never intended for this to become a discussion regarding real life morality in any way. But since it has been brought up I think the South Park episode "Death Camp of Tolerance" made a good point when it comes to this subject, tolerating something is not the same as accepting it. You don't have to and shouldn't expect to like everything that comes up in a Pathfinder module or campaign...


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Plus I would never miss a chance to take a jab at Jade even a late one.

What can I say? I'm jabbable.


Sceptenar wrote:

In less than twenty four hours this thread has become the third most replied to on the General Discussion board of Pathfinder (along with having its own commentary thread), knocking off discussions about fourth edition among other things. I remember someone (you know who you are) saying that "no one wants to see that", that is apparently not true. Homosexuality is a very big issue, this is not at all what I expected when I first started this thread.

However It has derailed quite a bit from my intention, I never intended for this to become a discussion regarding real life morality in any way. But since it has been brought up I think the South Park episode "Death Camp of Tolerance" made a good point when it comes to this subject, tolerating something is not the same as accepting it. You don't have to and shouldn't expect to like everything that comes up in a Pathfinder module or campaign...

"Things fall apart. The centre will be threadjacked."


I can't wait to see the respectable Nambla NPC and the respectable druid and its "companion".

Ok, I'm being a little flippant here. ;)

But anyone ever read Elfquest? Does the idea of a druid having relations with their "companion" really seem so far fetched in a fantasy setting? And the talk about the Greeks and homosexuality, often in a positive light, too often sounds like support for the ideas of Nambla. Not to mention the exploitation of underlings by their superiors. I don't think anyone pushing for respect for homosexuals should ever by pointing to the Greeks and their exploitation of young men as a good thing.

Frankly I don't really care about if their are homosexual characters or not, though I would say that the fact that the only group that has been bothered by it in Pathfinder series was a immoral family is a bit disturbing. To me that shows there is not a very balanced view on this issue. It also indicates, perhaps subconsciously, that one can't be opposed to homosexual behaviour (whether done by a homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, trysexual or whatever) and be a decent person in the viewpoint of the Paizo staff/writers. James' comments about how he finds such ideas disgusting do nothing to aleviate that viewpoint.


pres man wrote:

I can't wait to see the respectable Nambla NPC and the respectable druid and its "companion".

Ok, I'm being a little flippant here. ;)

But anyone ever read Elfquest? Does the idea of a druid having relations with their "companion" really seem so far fetched in a fantasy setting? And the talk about the Greeks and homosexuality, often in a positive light, too often sounds like support for the ideas of Nambla. Not to mention the exploitation of underlings by their superiors. I don't think anyone pushing for respect for homosexuals should ever by pointing to the Greeks and their exploitation of young men as a good thing.

Frankly I don't really care about if their are homosexual characters or not, though I would say that the fact that the only group that has been bothered by it in Pathfinder series was a immoral family is a bit disturbing. To me that shows there is not a very balanced view on this issue. It also indicates, perhaps subconsciously, that one can't be opposed to homosexual behaviour (whether done by a homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, trysexual or whatever) and be a decent person in the viewpoint of the Paizo staff/writers. James' comments about how he finds such ideas disgusting do nothing to aleviate that viewpoint.

Out of curiosity...can one be opposed to heterosexuality and still be a decent person?

How can one be "opposed" to homosexuality without being opposed to homosexual PEOPLE? What does that even mean?

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Paul Watson wrote:
XxAnthraxusxX wrote:
Were there any gay smurfs?
Well, as Smurfette was the only female Smurf and she was created by Gargamel, it does lead to some rather interesting lines of thought, wouldn't you say?

If there weren't, it would certainly explain why they are all blue...

And Jade, I'm not gay for Paizo, but I certainly am gar. Think we can get both shirts offered? Maybe with enough preorders?

On the original topic, I find that these instances make the world of Golarion more like a real place. I don't approve of homosexuality any more than I approve of theft, but I know it happens. Banning it from the game would push the story towards the 'Saturday Morning Cartoons' side of the scale.

I got into books at a young age, and my first favorite author was Brian Jacques and his Redwall series. People died in those books, aimed at children as they were. And that made it come to life that much more. I remember Finnbarr Galedeep because of that. And any of you that have read those books know exactly what I mean.

It is just another facet, and like all the rest, doesn't need to be examined with the jeweler's lens until you wish to.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
And Jade, I'm not gay for Paizo, but I certainly am gar. Think we can get both shirts offered? Maybe with enough preorders?

I hate to admit this publically, but I'm quite intolerant of fish that bite.

Liberty's Edge

Okay, homosexuality exists in the game world. Now what?
What kind of stories does it suggest? Does intolerance also exist, or is it socially acceptable in the milieu of the game world? I only ask because that directly influences the types of stories that are suggested.
Are these the same exact stories that are suggested by heterosexual relationships only with one of the involved characters' sexes changed?

The main problem I see is this: when a dungeonmaster goes there, he leaves himself open for all manner of negative backlash--i.e. "you made the BBEG gay!!! Subconsciously you're a homophobe!!!"
And me personally, I'm in the same "write what you know" predicament I fall into when trying to create adequate if not believable female npc's--lacking Tiresius' experience, I truly don't know what it really is to be a woman. I really don't know what it is to be gay.
Any tme I try to represent this, I'm not writing from anything but second-hand knowledge, so that lack of knowledge predisposes my content to overmisinterpretation. Even if one of my best friends growing up was gay, for me it's still secondhand knowledge.
I potentially move from an honest charge of "here's a guy who doesn't entirely understand gay people" to "here's a dyed-in-the-wool homophobe."
So I'm in a position where I'd be more likely than not to avoid the issue, which is a pity because--merely looking at the volume of posts on this thread--it is a powerful issue, and that is where the great stories are. It's the very nectar from which the muses drink.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
...I don't approve of homosexuality any more than I approve of theft...

I can scarcely imagine the torturous mental gynastics...or maybe I just don't want to.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
The Jade wrote:


I hate to admit this publically, but I'm quite intolerant of fish that bite.

From the Urban Dictionary:

"gar:
A term used towards male characters and individuals who are so overwhelmingly manly that your own masculinity is absolutely *buried*, leaving you naught but a whimpering, swooning girl-child before it."

The more you know.

Hmm, for my first sm[b][/b]urf post, I get some generic blue bastard. You'd think for mentioning gar I would have at least gotten Hefty. (Did I spell that right? It's late, I haven't a clue.)

bugleyman wrote:
I can scarcely imagine the torturous mental gynastics...or maybe I just don't want to.

Don't strain yourself on my account.

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JTStorm wrote:
I was going to post something about why sex matters in an RPG, but then I read this... 15 lbs. of PORN???? I'm not sure, is that alot??? :)

If it's magazines, not that much. If it's on, say, hard disks, yes, 15 lbs would be a lot.


Heath,

In the adventure I'm writing, part of an adventure arc, I had to connect two evil NPCs who, according to everyone else's adventures in the series, have no other reason to know each other. So... lamour seems a fun, and provocative way to go. It allows me to tell a story using elements I'm not used to using for high fantasy which, as a writer, is quite appealing.

I assume that people reading my Big Bad Evil Gays will not come away with the sense that I'm villainizing a sexual orientation or that I'm terribly ill informed. When comics out yet another superhero for being gay, hero or villain, some of my gay friends won't shut up about it. It's like fun and worthy gossip.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
The Jade wrote:


I hate to admit this publically, but I'm quite intolerant of fish that bite.

From the Urban Dictionary:

"gar:
A term used towards male characters and individuals who are so overwhelmingly manly that your own masculinity is absolutely *buried*, leaving you naught but a whimpering, swooning girl-child before it."

The more you know.

But there was no joke there for me to easily exploit, so I just had to go with the fish thing. I hope that you understand that and that we can still be friends. I will never deny your staggering manliness again, so help me Peter Allen!


TriOmegaZero wrote:


Don't strain yourself on my account.

Nevermind.


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Ross Byers wrote:
JTStorm wrote:
I was going to post something about why sex matters in an RPG, but then I read this... 15 lbs. of PORN???? I'm not sure, is that alot??? :)
If it's magazines, not that much. If it's on, say, hard disks, yes, 15 lbs would be a lot.

It was a delicate melange of the two, with some nudie pens, glitter pasties and an insouciant hint of lemon zest thrown in for flavor.


pres man wrote:
I can't wait to see the respectable Nambla NPC and the respectable druid and its "companion".

I'll take your word for it, but I'm not the first (or even the millionth) gay man that's been accused of child molestation simply because I'm gay. Nor am I the first to have my desperately uneventful sex life likened to beastiality. Nor am I the first to have both done in the same sentence.

pres man wrote:
Frankly I don't really care about if their are homosexual characters or not, though I would say that the fact that the only group that has been bothered by it in Pathfinder series was a immoral family is a bit disturbing.

Would you object to the same depiction if the only racists in town were an immoral family? Having something against homosexuality is morally identical to having something against being black or Jewish in my book.

pres man wrote:
To me that shows there is not a very balanced view on this issue. It also indicates, perhaps subconsciously, that one can't be opposed to homosexual behaviour (whether done by a homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, trysexual or whatever) and be a decent person in the viewpoint of the Paizo staff/writers. James' comments about how he finds such ideas disgusting do nothing to aleviate that viewpoint.

That's my reading of James' comment and that reading sold me a PDF of Classic Monsters Revisited and the gazetteer. I was on the edge anyway thanks to the unspeakable quality of Paizo's output, but it became a chance for me to get some nice gaming books and reward positive (and brave, how many businesses will tell you that you're welcome not to buy their stuff rather than produce a PR-friendly boilerplate?) behavior on the part of the producers. It's a win on both fronts.

Now if that makes my view or James' view unbalanced somehow, then hurray for being unbalanced.

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roguerouge wrote:


Yes, in the event that heterosexuals should be deemed insane for decades and imprisoned/castrated for being heterosexual, and no other reason, you will have a telling argument.

In addition, there's tons of positive representations of heterosexuality in that adventure path, which makes for what I was calling for: balance.

Asking for balance is radical now?

Does this mean I should start a rant/whine for more left handed characters? After all, we've a much longer history of persecution. Did Sapho write love poetry to lefties?

I tried through sarcasm to explain how absurd the arguement is. Obiviously that didn't affect you.

Apparently the posotive/neutral relationships are never going to be noticed by you, for fear of disproving your whine, er, arguement.

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