Red Mr. Shiny needs Music Help Badly!


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Liberty's Edge

OK, here's the dealy-yo-yo:

I've been in a band for about two weeks. Three guys (Myself -Dave-, a guitarist -Brandon-, and a drummer -Dennis-), moderate talent, nothing really happening.

Problem 1: I'm somewhat employed at the TV station, and the guitarist works as a landscaper. However, the drummer's still in high school, and, on top of that, works at a convenience store. Read: when we practice, 1/2 of the time, there's only 2/3 of a band there.

Problem 2: The playing styles of the three of us are quite different, mostly due to our taste in music: I listen to Richard Shindell and Black Flag, Brandon listens to stuff like Staind and Element 80, and Dennis listens to Led Zeppelin. When we play, we sound like ...s!+*.

Problem 3: I have confidence issues. How can I fix this?

ANY ADVICE IS APPRECIATED.

Thanks,
Shiny


I'll talk to you about all of this on the phone, but there's just too much to cover to put it in email.

If interested, send your number to ronebarton@gmail.com and we can get into all of this. I may have some wisdom you can use.


Don't expect too much too fast. Try to have some fun while your different styles attempt to mesh.


Problem 1: I can't really help here. Life gets in the way. All I can say is sleepless nights sleepy days. I will say maybe record each person separately so even if one person wants to practice you can at least play along with one or both if tempo can be matched.

Problem 2: Try everyone pulling everything everyone likes together and have a sit down and either pick through and veto/pass whats in and whats out or try to mix. This is going to suck someone is going to be pissed. Try to be understanding with each other.

Problem 3: Try finding one song you rock at, and play this one in front of others and blow them away. This can help by making feel like a god for at least that one song. After that try to float on that feeling. You know you can rock something so why not others. Second idea find a woman to stroke your ego. I enjoy nothing more than showing off in front of the opposite sex. It's an ego boost.

Hope this helps. I love playing music, but I will say the band thing is hard.

Good Luck

Oh and have fun! Alot not all of music is birth from some meaninghorrible heart wrenching miserable life experince, but playing, making, and enjoying music should be fun. Oh again not every song you play must be meaningful or have some deep meaning if it does great but don't force it.

Fizz


Fizzban wrote:


Problem 3: Try finding one song you rock at, and play this one in front of others and blow them away.

lol, I was going to say "Embarrass yourself publicly a few times, and you'll see it's not so bad and it won't hold you back on down the road." Fizz's suggestion might be a more sensible route.

Liberty's Edge

What sort of music do you play? What style? Write your own stuff or play covers? If your own stuff, who writes it? What instrument do you play Shiny (vocals?)


Trey wrote:
Fizzban wrote:


Problem 3: Try finding one song you rock at, and play this one in front of others and blow them away.
lol, I was going to say "Embarrass yourself publicly a few times, and you'll see it's not so bad and it won't hold you back on down the road." Fizz's suggestion might be a more sensible route.

Hey can you play after someone who does horrible? Play after some band that falls flat on their face, and after that you'll think, "Hell we/I can't do worse!"

Or you can always drink...liquid courage...

Fizz


Look at the "inspiraitons" in the liners. Most people pull from their influences so check out their favorites and go with a mix of those and the ones you like. Maybe it'll help with cohesion.

Liberty's Edge

Mothman wrote:
What sort of music do you play? What style? Write your own stuff or play covers? If your own stuff, who writes it? What instrument do you play Shiny (vocals?)

Me = vocals / lyrics. Mediocre to the max.

We play mostly hard rock / alt-metal in the vein of Seether, Element 80, Staind, and Fuel.

And, unfortunately, the guitarist is vehemently against cover songs. I guess he's not a big Me First and the Gimme Gimmes fan.

Liberty's Edge

Fizzban wrote:

Or you can always drink...liquid courage...

Fizz

Meh. Guitar-boy is OK. However, drummer-boy is underage (18), and I don't drink.


The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
Mothman wrote:
What sort of music do you play? What style? Write your own stuff or play covers? If your own stuff, who writes it? What instrument do you play Shiny (vocals?)

Me = vocals / lyrics. Mediocre to the max.

Try and connect with the music and (sorry to be abrupt) can the self-judgement. Everyone you look up to musically was crap at some point and just kept going. You've got to pass through sounding bad before you can sound good, so might as well try to have some fun on the way there.

connect with the music
connect with the music
connect with the music

In my opinion. :)


Another suggestion maybe get a prop? I know this sounds weird, but I feel weird on stage without a guitar, sax, bass, piano just some instrument for me to focus on. Also part of me feels like the audience is focusing on the instrument not me which is a big help. Maybe grab a bass and pluck away on one note while you sing, or maybe even just grip and lean on the mic stand?

Fizz

Grand Lodge

I'm sure your guitarist is great and all, but refusing to play cover versions when you are forming a new band is just flat-out stupid, especially if you guys aren't great musicians to begin with. What are you supposed to play instead? Works in progress? You need something to play while developing your own sound. Learn some basics - Sex Pistols, AC/DC, Diamond Head's "Am I evil? - that are easy and fun to play. These also have the benefit of being screamo tunes, which helps you as a singer as well. It's a good confidence-building exercise to bounce around in a garage screaming your head off. Once you guys know your way around "Pretty vacant", "Shot down in flames" and "Rock n'roll", invite some buddies over and have a concert and, voila! you are rock stars!

After that, you can move on to this stuff - get it right, and you'll be ready for the big leagues.


Thunderkiss 65'.

Same chords, repeatedly. Your bassist will get bored and walk away playing it and you won’t even notice.

Scarab Sages

Problem 1 is a problem that's not necessarally a problem. The fact that the two of you are there to work together is a starting place. Just flat out use it and work from there. (I have a friend who would say 'Men are only good for two things: moving heavy furniture and sex; and you can get machines to do both'. Not to belittle the roll of drummer, but drums can also apply here.) Any time you put in working to synch with each other is time not really wasted.

Problem 2, I have 2 suggetions for... A) Read poetry (not necessarally your own), find something you like, and try to structure some music around it. You and your guitarist should work together on this. Maybe spend one of your practice sections at a book store looking for some verse. You're not looking to sell your sound yet, so this can give you some framework for development. I spent several hours in college listening to a some friends try to develop th works of E.A. Poe into a Punk/Ska act. Nearly drove me to absinth abuse, but it was something for them to focus thier creativity on... And part B) Tell the guitarist to get his head out of his ass! One of the benefits of working on cover songs is that you actually know what they hell they are suppose to sound like. By all means, don't play covers exclusively, but work on one of your favorite songs and one of his favorite songs. They work as a bit of a barometer of how your practice is paying off. And Vattnisse is right, throw in something that is just balls out out get your game started.

Problem 3, You are g&!*+&n Mr. Shiny! What the hell else do you need?


Fizzban wrote:

Maybe grab a bass and pluck away on one note while you sing

Fizz

Kip Winger made a (somewhat short) career of that!

Those bands you list as influences sound like they are all over the place, but that could be your hook. Variety is the spice and all that...your demo could have 2-3 songs showcasing each members 'style', but be able to back the other two when its their turn. Beatles/KISS/Metallica all have different sounds on the same album. Little Jimmy Urine can change from "Unsociable" to "Bring the Pain" to "I Hate Jimmy Page" (how did you get past that one?) ;).

There has to be a way for you to send mp3s of solo practices to eachother. Who knows what riff or fantastic drum fill is going to trigger you writing something...or viceversa. Your lyric or melody makes guitarboy think about a certain tone that he wants to use and blablabla.

Liberty's Edge

Again, thanks for the input everone. Peace out.

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