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I think some of the 1st level spells could be cantrips.

endure elements (maybe reduce the duration) - from a mechanical POV, this spell does *nothing*

hold portal - who memorizes this?

floating disk - maybe reduce the duration and size. No one ever memorizes this spell.

ventriloquism - too fun to not use occasionally; too weak to waste a 1st level spell slot on.

magic aura - reduce the duration. Fun for the whole family.

Thoughts?

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die_kluge wrote:

I think some of the 1st level spells could be cantrips.

endure elements (maybe reduce the duration) - from a mechanical POV, this spell does *nothing*

hold portal - who memorizes this?

floating disk - maybe reduce the duration and size. No one ever memorizes this spell.

ventriloquism - too fun to not use occasionally; too weak to waste a 1st level spell slot on.

magic aura - reduce the duration. Fun for the whole family.

Thoughts?

I have to disagree with some of these. Endure elements is situationally VERY useful. If you're adventuring in winter, the arctic, or hot deserts, it's a must have spell. If you aren't, then it's useless. But on the whole, I think it fits well as first level - it's just a pure non-combat spell.

Floating disk is also situationally useful - but in this case the situation is how much the DM makes you track encumberance and/or move large heavy objects around. If not, then you don't need this spell, at zero level or 1st.

The rest I can sorta see - hold portal in particular isn't that useful really. Magic aura I could go either way on - it depends how sneaky out of combat you want to be vs. stronger in combat.


Endure Elements: Keeping people from getting a heatstroke - or freezing solid - isn't nothing.

Also, you could as well make every cantrip last all day - they're at will now.

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Yes, if you play in extreme weather. I'd say it's fine how it is.


die_kluge wrote:

I think some of the 1st level spells could be cantrips.

endure elements (maybe reduce the duration) - from a mechanical POV, this spell does *nothing*

hold portal - who memorizes this?

floating disk - maybe reduce the duration and size. No one ever memorizes this spell.

ventriloquism - too fun to not use occasionally; too weak to waste a 1st level spell slot on.

magic aura - reduce the duration. Fun for the whole family.

Thoughts?

Endure elements - re-read the mechanics. It does something, and at 1st level that something is quite useful.

Hold portal - I do.

Ventriloquism - Given what you can do with it, it's too useful to make it a cantrip (especially since cantrips can be used infinitely).

Floating disk and magic aura - Duration is irrelevant. You can cast cantrips infinitely.[URL=smurf][/URL]

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