Razor Sharp Chair Leg is Silly


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I understand what people were trying to do with creating a combat feat chain for improvised weapons, but this is definitely a bridge too far. Improvised weapons should not be able to outperform actual, real, honest-to-goodness weapons, even with the use of your combat feat for the round. While it's very clear that this is a fairly opinionated post, I find it thematically silly that someone should be able to use a frying pan to fight off some maniac with greataxe. I would ask Paizo that they tone down the improvised weapon line in the next version.

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Terraneaux wrote:
I understand what people were trying to do with creating a combat feat chain for improvised weapons, but this is definitely a bridge too far. Improvised weapons should not be able to outperform actual, real, honest-to-goodness weapons, even with the use of your combat feat for the round. While it's very clear that this is a fairly opinionated post, I find it thematically silly that someone should be able to use a frying pan to fight off some maniac with greataxe. I would ask Paizo that they tone down the improvised weapon line in the next version.

I actually like the feat as it fits quite well with swashbuckling, some martial arts movies, riddick and also biblical heroes like samson. It might seem silly if you imagine frying pans, but defeating an entire army using only a donkey's jawbone is kind of awesome.

Paizo Employee Managing Developer

I like the validation of improvised weapons. It's great drama!


I posted this in another thread on this, but I have a goliath in my campaign that wanted to walk around without weapons so that he could improvise in any given situation. In character, he doesn't want to look like too much of a threat, so he doesn't carry a weapon. Also, as a goliath, he likes to challenge himself, and where's the challenge in killing something with a greataxe?

Divorced of any mechanics, this is what happened:

The goliath is in a room, across a table from a wizard that had just surprised the party and nearly killed the bard with an acid spell. The goliath rammed into the table and pinned the wizard to the wall, then lifted it up and slammed it into the wizard, killing him.

When a skeletal unholy warrior arrived outside of the building, the goliath grabbed two wooden chairs, and charged the unholy warrior. He slammed the warrior with one chair, the bard woke up long enough to cast grease on the warrior, the goliath slammed him again with another chair, and the paladin arrived just after this to deliver the final blow, via a smite with her longsword.

None of this felt silly at all. In fact, it felt pretty cinematic and dynamic. Its been one of the most memorable combat encounters of the campaign so far.

Now, mechanically, the goliath could have been just as effective if he carried a large club or greatclub, and those cost almost no money at all. A club or greatclub is a large, heavy piece of wood. The main problem with tables, chairs, and the like is that they aren't balanced well, but they are still large, heavy object, that, if someone wanted to hurt you with them, they could.

Spending, in the example of Razor Sharp Chair leg, two feats, and not being able to do so until you have a BAB of +8 means that its a pretty well trained and practiced warrior that is pulling off this particular trick. It doesn't bother me one bit at all, and I'm glad that these feats are there to help encourage players that want to come up with ideas like my goliath player has come up with.

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Either way the name is pretty silly.


ithuriel wrote:
Either way the name is pretty silly.

It is, but I like it because its funny. Its not like people know the "name" of the feat they learn, or even that "feats" exist in the game, other than as a representation of a talent that the PC has learned that they didn't know before.

Sovereign Court

lol...

"I study the ancient art of Razor Sharp Chair Leg"
"Ahhhh.... now your skill with such improvised weapons makes sense. Your Chair Leg-fu is quite... impressive. Let us drink tea and talk of things not relating to combat. Servants, summon that useless twit, the Bard, that he may inspire us to more greatly enjoy our tea."

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ithuriel wrote:
Either way the name is pretty silly.

As is someone with a table. Until you realize that he does 2d6/18-20/x3. The feat might certainly be called "Improved Improvised Weapon Fighting" but that would do the sheer awesomeness of the effect justice. Razor sharp chair leg is way more fun.

Liberty's Edge

I think Razor Sharp Chair Leg is a cool name for a feat. I like there to be a little personality in my mechanics now & again.


Okay, maybe I'm in the minority. I guess I just won't take it then-but it's still silly. But the fact that other people seem to have their heart set on the feat means it should probably stay.

The Exchange

Holy duplicate threads, Batman!

Most of this has been discussed previously.


Fake Healer wrote:

Holy duplicate threads, Batman!

Most of this has been discussed previously.

Yeah, that's part of why I posted my general concern thread, since I worried that there are going to be so many scattershot posts that its hard for anyone to respond to them, or to keep track of where people's heads are at, unless we make a more concerted effort to look for existing threads that already have some comments going.


Razor Sharp Chair Leg has produced only happiness in my players and potential players.

It sold one guy on Pathfinder, in fact.


Massive fan of this one- conjures up great imagery and will be a welcome addition to my group.


Stunty_the_Dwarf wrote:

lol...

"I study the ancient art of Razor Sharp Chair Leg"
"Ahhhh.... now your skill with such improvised weapons makes sense. Your Chair Leg-fu is quite... impressive. Let us drink tea and talk of things not relating to combat. Servants, summon that useless twit, the Bard, that he may inspire us to more greatly enjoy our tea."

this just amused me. also I like the feat and the name...gonna have to now use the line your chair-fu is strong.

Liberty's Edge

My very first 3.0 character in the very first game killed a bandit with a keg of beer. Just chucked it at him and hoped to roll well (I did). Smoosh!

Anything that can make that kind of brawler style combat better makes me happy.


Razor Sharp Chair Leg is the exact kind of thing that we won't ever see in 4e, as it is funny rather than omgleetpowerz. I support its existence wholeheartedly.


One of my favorite comic shorts featured a master galactic assassin called Monsieur Death, who could turn any found object into a lethal weapon, all with a huge french accent;
Aha! take zome toothbrush!
Erk!
Eeet rolled op Noosepaper!!
ARRRGH!

So yes, razor sharp chair leg is just perfect for Pathfinder- it will give joy to many and make for memorable game play, which is the point of the whole exercise.

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ithuriel wrote:
Either way the name is pretty silly.

I had come up with a very similar feat called 'Where the &#%@ Did that Come From?'. I think Razor Sharp Chair Leg is probably better.

Paizo Employee Managing Developer

Tarren Dei wrote:
ithuriel wrote:
Either way the name is pretty silly.
I had come up with a very similar feat called 'Where the &#%@ Did that Come From?'. I think Razor Sharp Chair Leg is probably better.

How 'bout, 'Take That!'


Tarren Dei wrote:
ithuriel wrote:
Either way the name is pretty silly.
I had come up with a very similar feat called 'Where the &#%@ Did that Come From?'. I think Razor Sharp Chair Leg is probably better.

Oh, no. Your name is is waaaaay better. It has my vote.

~ Andrew

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