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Is it just me, or are others seeing visions of characters wandering the streets with household items that far outclass any of the weapons that are available?
I could be wrong - just seems a bit over the top...
"Mug? that's a 1d6 bludgeoning weapon that crits on 18-20 for x3!
And it's free!
A Chair?! What are you, nuts? that's more likely than not a 1d10 weapon with the same crit chance and multiplier! When the city guard catches you with that kind of heavy ordinance, they'll call in the Fireball brigade for sure!
Just don't train to use it, or you'll just look like a fool carrying furniture down the street."
By BAB 8, it's no longer good enough for improvised weapons to be as good as normal weapons, because by BAB 8 somebody using normal weapons will have enough feats and abilities that his normal weapons will be better than average in his hands. 18-20/x3 seems high, though, at least within the 3.5 architecture; 18-20/x2 or 19-20/x3 would be better, I think.
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Ever watch a Jackie Chan flick.....
Hehe true, but don't you think even Jackie would pick up a sword if he really wanted to lay some horrible wasting down (and there was one available)?
I'm all for making them AS GOOD as weapons after feats, but better?
:)
Someone who trains in that type of fighting (taking a feat would represent the training) should be able to use them like weapons.
Razor Sharp requires two other feats to get and a BAB of +8. That's at least an 8th level fighter-type. At 8th level I can use a regular weapon, with weapon focus, improved crit, and Weapon specialization instead for practically the same result.The only real difference is flavor and I'm not sure if you can have a Mwk or magical improvised weapon. Maybe you can't overcome the dragon's DR with a chair. Look awfully cool trying though!
Also consider what Jason Bourne can do with a towel or a rolled up magazine.
yeah you can't have a masterwork or magical chair. What is the true harm in making them as good as a weapon (with the "use" of a feat)?
If a PC wanted to be chair master, that might break the mood of a game, though. I'm sure that the PC would be laughed at in civilization, until the PC kills the whole town with the chair.
PRPG Smackdown!
That's been changed with the 4 page update to Alpha release.Just discovered the clincher.. "Cannot use more than one combat feat in a round" pg34.
That balances it out pretty nicely in my mind with that limitation.
Solved.
No it hasn't. There's no feat chains anymore, but you're still limited to using one combat feat per round. That's why Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot were removed from the Combat Feat list.
Ah, you guys keep making veiled references to the goliath Sarn from my campaign. Although he doesn't walk around with a chair in his hand, per se. Sarn has decided not to look threatening in civilized society, as well as wanting to challenge himself, so he carried no weapons.
Sarn went to a meeting with some merchants, who turned out to be assassins. When the wizard at the end of the table attacked him, he bull rushed the table into him, picked up the table, and clocked the wizard with it.
When the skeletal unholy warrior arrived outside of the house to keep the PCs from escaping, Sarn grabbed two chairs from the dining room and charged the unholy warrior, landing two mighty blows and setting the paladin up for her smite.
Of course this doesn't even take into account the whole ankheg wrestling incident . . .
Anyway, Sarn is tailor made for this set of feats (previously, we were using feats from the Dragonlance MWP books that took two feats to remove the penalties for improvised weapons. These feats are indeed a bit more interesting than that).
Ever watch a Jackie Chan flick.....
I'd like to see Caught Off-Guard and Razor Sharp Chair Leg on the list of optional bonus feats for the monk class when the monk gets its new look. Maybe at 2nd and 6? (Assuming the class still works like that)
Not every monk would study such things, but there's probably some groups that are way into that action.
According to PRPG Smackdown! Rules.
Characters must be at least 6 feet tall and weigh 250# to be able to wield chairs with deadly precision. Hmmm, rogue & sneak attack?