PC Choices?


Second Darkness

Liberty's Edge

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Curious question. I know it's very early but will Second Darkness have information/rules needed to play Dark Elves as PCs in Golarion(as a secondary article or as part of the Players Guide) or will you guys be aiming toward providing PC need to fight the Dark Elves?

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SirUrza wrote:
Curious question. I know it's very early but will Second Darkness have information/rules needed to play Dark Elves as PCs in Golarion(as a secondary article or as part of the Players Guide) or will you guys be aiming toward providing PC need to fight the Dark Elves?

I know JJ mentions something about this in one of the chat logs...but I'm at work so can't go through them all

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SirUrza wrote:
Curious question. I know it's very early but will Second Darkness have information/rules needed to play Dark Elves as PCs in Golarion(as a secondary article or as part of the Players Guide) or will you guys be aiming toward providing PC need to fight the Dark Elves?

Actually rolling up and playing drow as Player Characters will probably be a part of the Hardcover or the Darklands book. It won't really be a part of Second Darkness. In fact, playing a drow as a PC in Second Darkness would be a pretty complex idea. It'd be like playing sinspawn in Rise of the Runelords. The drow in Second Darkness are the bad guys. We want to establish them as bad guys. They aren't good choices as PCs for Second Darkness as a result, since a drow PC will undermine the plot completely.

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*nods*

I wasn't thinking necessarily to use for the Adventure Path, just as supplementary tie-in material. Good to know it'll come later though.


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James Jacobs wrote:
In fact, playing a drow as a PC in Second Darkness would be a pretty complex idea. It'd be like playing sinspawn in Rise of the Runelords. The drow in Second Darkness are the bad guys.

I knew as soon as I saw the path that my players were going to request it, though. And to be fair, their giantkin goblins are working out better than I expected for RotRL. I won't tell them "no" until I know more, I guess.

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tbug wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
In fact, playing a drow as a PC in Second Darkness would be a pretty complex idea. It'd be like playing sinspawn in Rise of the Runelords. The drow in Second Darkness are the bad guys.
I knew as soon as I saw the path that my players were going to request it, though. And to be fair, their giantkin goblins are working out better than I expected for RotRL. I won't tell them "no" until I know more, I guess.

Playing drow in Second Darkness is certainly POSSIBLE... but you'll probably need to pretty much rebuild the entire first adventure since the whole point of that one is, to a certain extent, building up to revealing the first drow character to appear in a Pathfinder Chronicles product...

The further into the AP you get, the easier it'll get to run it for drow PCs, I suspect. I really do recommend you wait till you have all six of the books until you try this stunt though... and if you DO try it... make sure to post the results here! The giantkin goblin stuff is awesome!

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Like I said I wasn't really thinking to play Drow in the AP, just giving the info since it's related to the Drow theme.

Too early to say if the Second Darkness Companion or Elves Companion would have the PC Drow info right?


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James Jacobs wrote:

Playing drow in Second Darkness is certainly POSSIBLE... but you'll probably need to pretty much rebuild the entire first adventure since the whole point of that one is, to a certain extent, building up to revealing the first drow character to appear in a Pathfinder Chronicles product...

The further into the AP you get, the easier it'll get to run it for drow PCs, I suspect. I really do recommend you wait till you have all six of the books until you try this stunt though... and if you DO try it... make sure to post the results here! The giantkin goblin stuff is awesome!

Having learned a bit more about the adventure path, my players assure me that playing drow sounds much too normal for this particular story. I'm not sure how to interpret that, but for once I'm leaning toward actually reading all six volumes before I start to run it. (Thanks for the advice, James!)

I'm wondering if they'll be escaped drow slaves, or maybe some other sort of creature that lives in the Darklands and wants to see the fall of the drow for their own reason, or something else entirely. I never really know with them.


Underdark (FR) had some intresting choises.. slyth or gloaming.
But yeah, those are perhaps best introduced after they have gone below, not something to start out with.


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ikki wrote:
Underdark (FR) had some intresting choises.. slyth or gloaming.

Our group is pretty strict about saying that only the sources used by Paizo are permitted. Otherwise it gets really obvious which bits I added. The slyth and gloaming sound cool, though!


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One of my players has proposed an all elf-paladin party for this AP. I've told her that James Jacobs himself has recommended that I read all six volumes of this AP before we jump in, and reminded her that the elf book was only a couple months away.

I'm thinking that it could be a really fun group for this path though, given what I've seen so far. :D

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tbug wrote:

One of my players has proposed an all elf-paladin party for this AP. I've told her that James Jacobs himself has recommended that I read all six volumes of this AP before we jump in, and reminded her that the elf book was only a couple months away.

I'm thinking that it could be a really fun group for this path though, given what I've seen so far. :D

Actually... an all-elf party for Second Darkness could be pretty nifty. Especially if they were all forsaken elves or elves who haven't been in contact with Kyonin or other elven settlements.


My players have proposed an all-elf party for this AP

Do PCs born in Kyonin know something about the drows, bearing in mind that they are young and inexperienced? Or ignore it?

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Donkyjote wrote:

My players have proposed an all-elf party for this AP

Do PCs born in Kyonin know something about the drows, bearing in mind that they are young and inexperienced? Or ignore it?

Very few elves know about the drow; the Winter Council has worked hard to suppress knowledge of them for the past several thousand years, and this adventure path is in part about how that suppression finally breaks down.

I would recommend that PC elves, no matter where they're from, don't know the truth about drow. They can certainly have heard rumors of night-skinned elves that live in the deep; those rumors are all over the place in every major humanoid city, but they're mostly regarded as just that: rumors and stories meant to frighten children.

Of course, if you DO want to run an all-elf party with PC elves who know there are drow, that'd be kinda cool. They shouldn't come to Riddleport to work for the Gold Goblin, though...

Spoiler:
In this case, I'd remove Kwava from the game, or make him into the PCs' superior, and have the PCs be sent to Riddleport to work undercover. Their superiors suspect that there's a drow working at the gold goblin, and in order to investigate, they need to get hired as employees so they can poke around. Alternatively, they could just invade or infiltrate the Gold Goblin, but that's a LOT more dangerous at 1st level...


Actually I'd prefer that PC don’t know the truth about drow, but other DM told me that all elves should know that.

Thanks for your help! I like the possibility of a elven party who is unaware of the drow.


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I'd really be interested what's the official Stance on this.
Do PC Elves know about the Drow Problem ?

I do have two Elves in my party and am just starting to play this AP.
One is a Wild Elf from the Expanse and so I guess has no Knowledge, but the other is from a Elf City in the Area - he might know or suspect it.
Up to now I have them both oblivious to the fact.


Almost no elves know about Drow in Golarion before the events of the AP. Only those that are part of the Winter Council or the Shin'rakorath (sp) know about Drow, although others may suspect. It's been held under a pretty close lid.. The Winter Council is kind of like witch-hunters; trying to silence everyone who knows or suspects or even tries to find out :)


Are wrote:
Almost no elves know about Drow in Golarion before the events of the AP. Only those that are part of the Winter Council or the Shin'rakorath (sp) know about Drow, although others may suspect. It's been held under a pretty close lid.. The Winter Council is kind of like witch-hunters; trying to silence everyone who knows or suspects or even tries to find out :)

And even the Shin’Rakorath don't all know - Kwava for instance was not told - only that he was looking for a dark-skinned elf (much like himself actually).

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