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1) No.

2) Keep subscriptions for 3 months to see what the 4e stuff looks like. If I still like what's coming out, I'd probably go to just the gamemastery modules sub and cancel my PF and PFC subs, or possibly cancel everything and just buy things when they look most interesting to me.

3) No change.


1. I will convert if my gaming group goes for it. We've got a lot of money invested in 3rd edition and there's also some inertial resistance against it. I suspect we will eventually convert.

2. I would happily buy any high quality 4th edition adventure path and, in fact, that would provide a lot of momentum for our group to convert. If I'm DMing and I've got an AP that I really want to run and it's 4th edition, we're pretty much going to start playing 4th edition.

3. If my group stays with 3.5 and Paizo stays with 3.5, I'm your guy.


I won't be converting to 4th edition D&D.
I like GameMastery stuff and to a lesser extant Planet Stories. If Paizo converts their product to D&D4 then I wouldn't buy that specific stuff. Most of GameMastery is systemless (flip-mats) so that sort of stuff I would continue to get.
If Paizo keeps making 3.x modules like J2 Guardians of Dragonfall (just picked this up last week) then I expect to keep picking those up. Especially for higher level adventures as most publishers are rather light on that end of the scale.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Pawns, Starfinder Accessories, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Society Subscriber
Erik Mona wrote:

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

First off, thanks for asking us. I appreciate how in touch Paizo is with their customer base (also thanks for the recently announced Paizo Advantage program...classy move).

On to the matter at hand...

1. At this point I am still undecided. In the past, I have moved ahead with every addition change, however the 4e previews have done more to make me wary than excited. However if the game actually proves to run a lot smoother as the designers claim, it could sway me despite my misgivings (especially about a lot of the IMO unnecessary changes to the games backstory and assumed world, etc). I will definitely at least pick up the new core books and check them out, run a session or two. Whether or not I make a permanent switch depends on what happens there, and more importantly what kind of campaign I decide to run (and that my players want to play).

2. & 3. At the moment, I plan to keep purchasing Pathfinder for at least a couple more campaign arcs regardless of edition. So there won't be any immediate effect, however in the long term if I move to one edition or the other permanently and Paizo goes in the other direction, my purchasing may die off, but that it somewhat unlikely, because...

You have something on your side in that these days I don't have time to write my own material, and with Paizo being the main provider of quality adventure path style content, odds are likely that I'll be choosing one of your paths as my campaign. And since the whole point in running an adventure path is to save myself extra work (not that they are not worthwhile campaigns regardless), I will not want to convert material, and so I will almost certainly use whichever edition said path was written for (though if I find one edition vastly superior to the other, that will be a factor in picking which campaign to run).

So in summary, although it is no guarantee, your choice of which edition to support is likely to affect my own.


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?
A: No, due to the cost and compatibility issues.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
A: I'm new to Paizo. I discovered it while researching 4e. I've held off on making purchases on the grounds that they could be made incompatible with my 3e campaign. It would certainly squelch my curiosity about your settings if they converted.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
A: It would make adapting things from your settings more appealing. I often buy books from other campaign worlds for ideas on how to develop my own. If, however, the mechanics didn't mesh, then I wouldn't bother.


1) I plan on staying with 3.5

2) I will still purchase Pathfinder (at least initially)for the great ideas. Gamemastery & chronicles will be purchased less often. Like many I have a busy schedule (2 jobs, 3 children 5 and under, etc). While I make minor changes to most adventures to fit my campaign I do not have time to make wholesale 4.0 to 3.5 conversions. THese are all such great products You will most likely see half of the business I am giving you already.

3)I will continue with the 3 subscription plans as I am now.

Mike


1) I will convert to 4e

2) I would support your products

3) I would sadly be forced not to support your products

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 8

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: My weekly game ends in June, and will be replaced by a 4e campaign. My ongoing bi-annual campaign will remain 3.5 a little longer - until I get some official stats for monks, bards, druids etc. and can convert it properly.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I would be much more likely to buy them.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I almost certainly wouldn't buy anything.

Cheers!

Neil.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber
Erik Mona wrote:


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

(1) No. I still play 2nd ed AD&D, heavy on the house rules. Saw no reason to change to either of the 3's and see no reason to change to 4.

(2)&(3) I don't buy Paizo because you're OGL. I buy Paizo because your work has a better quality and feel than anything else on the shelf, I like the stories and settings, and I find them easily adaptable to my home world. While the 3.5 converstion is easier for me at this point because I'm used to it, it's really no big deal for me to line out your stat block and insert my own. So I guess I'm saying provided your "fluff" doesn't change, your "crunch" doesn't matter to me.

HOWEVER.... If the GSL is going to be so restrictive in their morality clause that you can only put out the Disney style "G" rated stories that TSR did, THAT would make me stop buying you (as it made me stop buying TSR). I like edgey and I like gritty and I like adult. I have 30 somethings sitting around my table, not 10 year olds, and I need stories that keep THEM interested. Paizo delivers and that's why I buy.


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Both "yes" and "not for a while".

YES - I hope to keep doing freelance writing (and hopefully ramp up to more frequent gigs), so I'll necessarily be playing some 4e if for nothing else than to learn the rules and have as many options open as possible.

NOT FOR A WHILE - In my usual games, we're sticking with 3.5 for a while still. At least a year or more. I entirely blame you (Pathfinder, Savage Tide, GameMastery modules, and some Dungeon stuff) and WotC (Expedition to's) for giving me too much 3.5 adventure material. Until that runs out OR I utterly fall in love with 4e and realize that converting 3.5 adventures to 4e is quick and easy, I'll be sticking with 3.5 for a while.

Plus, with their "we're saving stuff for future core books" business model, depending on when things are released, my groups will probably want to wait until the options they like are available. So WotC releasing great adventures and holding off on previously core material will certainly delay our adoption of 4e.

But, unless we really dislike the 4e rules and/or the GSL is so bad that I'd rather work to keep the fully open 3.5 alive (some seedlings of ideas, but I hope they aren't necessary), then I'm pretty sure someday, a year or two from now, we'll completely convert to 4e.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

Same answer for both - no, it probably won't have a major impact on my purchases. I'll most likely stay a Pathfinder and GameMastery module subscriber as long as they continue to be adventures I will run (though currently GameMastery seems more my style than Pathfinder, but Crimson Throne might change that). I'll also buy every item card set you put out. :)

Additional products will be pretty much on a case by case basis on the concept more than the rule edition. Rule edition might be a factor, but only a very minor factor compared to the concept and how directly applicable it is to our campaigns at the time.


Erik Mona wrote:
1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Not in the foreseeable future, and certainly not in '08.

Erik Mona wrote:
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

As long as I am playing 3.5e I don't believe that I would purchase any products that are not compatible with the game I am playing. 4e products that offer 3.5e conversion notes would attract my attention, but 4e products without would not.

Erik Mona wrote:
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

It will not change my current pattern. I purchase on a per-product basis (no subscription) and that will continue. I'll buy individual items I find interesting.

Erik Mona wrote:
Your feedback and continued support of Paizo Publishing is most appreciated!

Thanks for providing the forum.

Greg


Erik Mona wrote:


Given all of the information that you have heard so far about the new edition of Dungeons & Dragons, I would love to hear your thoughts on the following three questions:

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

That depends on what Paizo does. I won't convert to the new edition just to do it. I haven't hit a frustration level with 3.5 that merits doing that without another cause besides the rules themselves. Having said that, the answer to this first question depends on the next two questions.

Erik Mona wrote:
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

It won't have an impact. I will definitely convert to 4th edition if Paizo converts to 4th edition.

Unnecessary elaboration: I have NO time or money invested in any other campaign setting other than Golarion. Of my entire collection of DnD materials, all of it is invested in Paizo's setting. I'm not enticed or particularly interested in any other setting except perhaps Wolfgang's Zobeck.

As sycophant sounding as it might seem to someone else, I'm prepared to concede my personal judgment of 4th Edition to Paizo. I'm satisified with their presentation of my chosen Campaign Setting. So if Erik and Team feel they can make 4th edition and retain Golarion's flavor... I am prepared to make the move with them.

Like another poster mentioned, I depend on my campaign setting provider to make pre-prepared campaigns for me. So if Paizo changes, I change.

Erik Mona wrote:
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

It has no effect. If Paizo does not convert to 4th edition, then I save some money by not buying WOTC core books. Simple as that. Paizo has a "win win" with me.

Frankly, so long as the rules aren't just plain stupid, they're of secondary importance to the campaign setting. I don't mean to come across as servile in saying I trust Paizo's judgment.. but they're professionals. I don't think they'd stake their professional reputations on saying 4th edition is a good workable game if that really wasn't the case.

I guess the only challenge Paizo has with this customer is that I trust them. Now they have the responsibility not to abuse that trust. And since I don't care all that much about which edition, that shouldn't be that difficult. :)

Thank you for asking!


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D? Yes, definitely.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products? I'll continue to be a Pathfinder and Chronicles Subscriber, and I'll continue to buy occassional GameMastery items both through my local store and from Paizo (moreso the former than the latter).

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products? I'll continue to be a Pathfinder subscriber for a while, and I'll get Chronicles through the Campaign Setting. After that, I'll start evaluating how easy it is to convert on-the-fly. If truly easy, I may continue to subscribe for a long time, quite possibly for as long as Pathfinder is supported; but the harder it is to convert things to 4.0, the sooner my purchasing is likely to taper off.


1) No.

2) Sadly, I will have to stop. That's too bad, because I like Paizo products. A lot.

3) That depends on which ruleset the products support. I have enough 3.0/3.5 material to keep me busy for a long time, but any continued Paizo support of the system will have my backing.

M@


Erik Mona wrote:

Given all of the information that you have heard so far about the new edition of Dungeons & Dragons, I would love to hear your thoughts on the following three questions:

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

1) No.

2) I will end my subscription. Though I may still purchase older 3.x products from time to time (especially if there are big discount sales).

3) I will probably stick with my current subscription, at least for a while. Just as in #2, I probably will still look at older products and purchase them on a case by case basis.


1) I'm converting. 3.5 is a mess after PCs hit about 10th level; I can't wait to see a new D&D that is faster and more fun.

2) I'd immediately subscribe to Pathfinder and maybe the other lines as well. To have 4e material available in that first year that the edition is on the market will be extremely valuable because there won't be many other options for those of us without the time to write our own material.

3) I might buy the occasional game aid, but that would be it. Frankly, waiting to hear about Paizo's plans for 4E is what's been preventing me from buying more stuff from you.

I know there are a lot of folks who say they don't plan to convert, but I really think that if you're considering the long-term health of the company, there is going to need to be at least some stuff that's written in 4E. Conversion guides are problematic, for sure (and this time there won't be an "official" one forthcoming from Wizards, either), but even that would be acceptable as a temporary wait-and-see.

I'd be extremely surprised, no matter what poll results on these messageboards might say, if Paizo hasn't done anything for 4E within the first year of the new edition's existence. The issue seems to be how long 3.5 products will continue. Just my humble opinion.


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Yes. Enthusiastically, along with my group of 8 players. I agree with the above poster - 3.5 is a mess once you're above 10th level.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will keep purchasing Pathfinder, because the quality of adventures are great.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will be disappointed, but I will still purchase Pazio products, and convert them to 4E. If there are official conversion notes, great. If not, I'm sure the mass of fans on the Intertubes will have ideas on how to make the conversions.

Scarab Sages

1) I have NO intention of converting. I have talked to my gaming group about it and they feel very much as I do. We will continue to run games in 3.5 I may still buy a pack of minis from time to time, but as far as bankrolling this change, it's not gonna happen.

2) If Paizo converts, I will continue to buy your products and retrofit them to my campaigns. As long as you put out the quality material, I will be paying for it. I currently do so without reservation and don't forsee that changing. I might not buy as much extraneous stuff, stuff that deals specificaly with rulesets... but if it is plot driven or support like the item cards, I don't see that as being a stumbling block.

3) If Paizo does not convert I will be excessively happy, and, truth told, will probably have a fair amount of schadenfreude directed at WotC. Petty, but honest.

I rally under the standard of the golem.


Erik Mona wrote:
1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

I do plan on purchasing the new edition but that doesn't mean I would play it exlusively.

Erik Mona wrote:
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

It won't - I'd keep my subscriptions and continue to purchace other products according to my interest in them.

Erik Mona wrote:
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

Same as number 2 - I'm more interested in the story that than game system and you're the best thing going; so...

Cheers,
C.


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?
Yes.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will increase the amount I spend on Paizo products.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I have plenty of 3.5 products already so I will not be buying anymore.

Grand Lodge

Erik Mona wrote:


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

1) I do plan to convert.

2) I will continue with my Pathfinder subscription gladly
3) I will likely have to cancel my subscription

Most of what I buy in the RPG world is a very case-by-case basis. It's a good sign from me when I actually commit to a subscription.


1. I wont convert.

2. My purchasing pattern will sadly go away.

3. My purchasing pattern will gladly stay, and perhaps even increase.


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?
Not in 2008. Maybe in 2009 if a 3rd party publisher like Paizo can make it feel more like classic D&D. Ideally, I'd like to run the 3rd Pathfinder as 3E then make the switch to 4.0 after the bugs have been identified and WotC's business model for releasing supplements are more well known (i.e. How many years will they stretch out "core" monsters?)

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
I will stop purchasing Gamemastery products from my FLGS. I will continue my Pathfinder subscription until the first 4.0 adventure path is complete. If I like what Paizo has done with Pathfinder for 4.0, I will continue subscribing.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
I will continue to purchase all Gamemastery and Pathfinder products.


"1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?"

No, I do not.

"2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?"

I will probably purchase "fluff" books about the game world that don't rely heavily on the rules. I may continue buying some adventure modules in order to make use of ideas therein or to convert them to 3.5, if possible. I will definitely still read any Golarion novels that appear. :-)

"Valeros is unconscious," Seoni cried. "Meri, I'll lay down some cover fire and you try to drag him out! He can't take more than 20 or 30 more hits in that condition!"

"3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?"

I will continue in my current pattern of buying all the Pathfinders, all world-related fluff (gazetteers, players guides), and other modules that appeal to me.


Erik Mona wrote:
1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Yes. My 2 groups and I have been playing 3.x for so many years now that's become more of an exercise in stats and rules than roleplaying. A fresh ruleset will redress that balance.

Erik Mona wrote:
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will gladly continue to buy them (and seriously hope that that's the way you're going!).

Erik Mona wrote:
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I don't plan on buying any further 3.5 products at all after the release of 4th edition. (Notwithstanding nostalgic purchases many years hence. :))


1) Even with all the stuff that has been put out, I still cannot say with certainty that I will convert to 4th Ed. I'm a compulsive buyer, which means I'd probably buy the 4th ed core books anyways, but my friends are somewhat skeptical about the whole thing so far, which casts a shadow on the possibility of me playing 4th Ed. Some of the things I've heard also lend themselves to make me second guess the playability of 4th edition. Personally, I like more realistic games than what 4th ed is being touted as... However, there is no way to know without seeing the rules themselves, and thus I must say that the jury is still out on the decision as to whether or not my gaming group will convert to 4th ed (or even try it, for that matter).

2. Truly, if Paizo can keep the flavor of D&D alive with (what seems to be ) the powergamer's dream game, then I would definitely try out their 4th ed products. I do not think, however, that Paizo should convert wholly to 4th ed until they find out whether 4th ed will sell well with their audience. At this point, it is hard to say (and with all honesty I do not think anyone should be able to make this decision yet) whether I will like or dislike 4th Ed, and thus I cannot predict what my purchasing pattern will be be after 4th ed comes out. It all depends on whether 4th Ed is clearly better than 3rd Ed or not. It not, well, there wouldn't be a reason to convert, now would there?

3. I can say for sure that I would continue to buy stuff from Paizo if they stick with 3rd Ed.


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?
Besides my girlfriend, I'm the only person in my gaming group who will even look at the new books (most of my group calls WOTC 'Borg of the Coast' now because of their feelings about the upcoming new edition). I know I can't make an educated decision until I have the books in my hands and have read everything, so we'll see. I will keep my hands in 3.5 regardless though.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
Like so many others, I choose to go where Paizo goes, and I could still get good info out of AP stuff regardless of edition. I would hope that there would still be enough of a demand for 3.5 products that what is out now remains in the store, since there is plenty of Gamemastery stuff I want to eventually get :)

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
It won't affect my patterns at all - I'll still be here :)

Your Friendly Neighborhood Dalesman
"Bringing Big D**n Justice to the Bad Guys Since 1369 DR"


Erik Mona wrote:
1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Eventually yes. I imagine I will continue running my 3.5 game at least through the current campaign which will probably go another 10 months or so.

Erik Mona wrote:
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I recently stopped subscribing to Pathfinder simply because of this reason. I have far more 3.5 stuff than I could ever possibly run including my Dungeon magazines. This has nothing to do with Pathfinders quality or usefullness.

I would undoubtedly start up my Pathfinder subscription again. I have little faith in WotC ability to put out a decent AP type of product (i.e. Red Hand of Doom) for 4th edition, without the folks from Paizo writing for them.

Erik Mona wrote:

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will continue to purchase Item Packs, Pathfinder setting books, Planet Stories, etc. just not the 3.5 Pathfinder AP books.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

No, probably never.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will regretably cease all rules-centered products (ie Pathfinder, Gamemastery).

I will buy the occasional Dungeon Tile or Critical Deck-like products through Paizo however.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will continue to buy Pathfinder for as long as it is economically feasible for me to do so.

As everyone else said: Thanks for caring enough to ask; maybe if WOTC was as friendly to its customers, Paizo will still be publishing Dungeon and Dragon and I'd still be getting quality 3.5 stuff for years to come.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, 2011 Top 32, 2012 Top 4

Erik Mona wrote:

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

Short and sweet:

1) Yes, my group is converting to 4E (8 of us). We're VERY excited about it!
2) Yes, I will gladly buy 4E Paizo products.
3) I will not buy non-4E Paizo products. If it's not 4E I will likely not have a use for it.


Erik Mona wrote:


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

1. No, I do not plan on converting.

2. If Paizo converts to 4E I will most likely not purchase products that are designed for that edition.

3. If Paizo does not convert I will purchase products that continue to support the current rules set as my finances allow.

Paizo is my first choice of publishers when I am in the market for a new game product, and I visit the website often to keep updated. I suspect that I will continue to visit the website no matter what your decision is on 4E. I will just be more likely to purchase something if the products support the rules that I use, which will not be 4E as far as I can see.

Liberty's Edge

Second try, first one vanished

1)My alignment stays lawful Anti-4E.I wont convert.

2)Well, you know. My alignment stays lawful Anti-4E. But I will buy non-4E Paizo products

3)I will even buy socks full of dirt if you label them 3.5


Erik Mona wrote:


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

No. I'm not currently playing or running a game, so I'm not using my GameMastery or Pathfinder subscriptions. However, I hypothetically could, within the context of the rules/books I already own. Since I'm not currently playing, though, I don't see a reason to drop $100+ on a new edition.

Erik Mona wrote:


2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I'll cancel Pathfinder/GameMastery. While I have no doubt of the quality of your potential 4e products, I simply won't be using 4e.

Erik Mona wrote:


3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I've enjoyed reading the GameMaster/Pathfinder products I've gotten so far. Golarian is an appealing world. I expect to continue my subscription through the duration of my converted issues, obviously, and I'll finish whatever adventure path I expire in.

At that point, I'll have to evaluate where my gaming is at; if I'm still not involved in a game, I'll have to reconsider my subscriptions.

Scarab Sages

1) At this point no I wont be converting. I will most likely purchase the 4.0 PHB, and give it a good read though.

2) I'd most likely keep my pathfinder subscription depending on the ease of backward compatibility. All of my other gamemastery purchases would likely stop.

3) Most if not all my gaming purchases would be paizo products.


As far as I am concerned the system is irrelevant so no matter what your choice is I will purchase your products.

Dark Archive

I have no plans at the moment to convert to 4th edition.

I don't buy much from you apart from Pathfinder.

If and when Paizo switches to 4th edition, I will keep my Pathfinder subscription going through the first 4th edition adventure path.

I will use this as my 4th edition "preview". If you guys sell me on 4th edition I'll keep my Pathfinder subscription and switch to 4th.

Otherwise, if Green Ronin keep doing the Pathfinder conversions to True20 (which I imagine is pretty much out of your hands) I'll keep subscribing to Pathfinder and run them as True20.

Failing those two scenarios, if your 4th edition adventure paths are awesome I'll keep subscribing. (I've got plenty of adventures for systems I don't own and / or play.)

If not, I'll cancel my subscription.

If you stick with 3.5, I'll keep my subscription going for as long as you keep making Pathfinder 3.5. I'll also seriously consider Gamemastery Modules and Pathfinder Chronicles subscriptions once I have a better idea of my spare gaming budget now I'm not buying from WotC.

(I've actually got less spare cash at the moment than when I was buying WotC stuff because I've spent a fortune in various 3.5 sales. Take that as a hint if you do upgrade and have some 3.5 stock hanging around ....)

I figure that if you stick with 3.5 you are going to need your 3.5 customers to support you, and I intend to.


Tiger Lily wrote:
HOWEVER.... If the GSL is going to be so restrictive in their morality clause that you can only put out the Disney style "G" rated stories that TSR did, THAT would make me stop buying you (as it made me stop buying TSR). I like edgey and I like gritty and I like adult. I have 30 somethings sitting around my table, not 10 year olds, and I need stories that keep THEM interested. Paizo delivers and that's why I buy.

QFT

I have 4 - 30 somethings, 2 - 50 somethings and me the old fart.

-- david
Papa-DRB


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

Yes I will convert. I was quite unhappy with last summer's announcement of a new addition (as were most of us). That said, the advantages presented by the DIGITAL INITIATIVE has persuaded me to be fully on board now.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I would be an even more enthusiastic customer.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

Little to none. The last couple of weeks I have been purchasing Pathfinder materials from my local gaming store with plans to convert it to 4.0 ASAP. I am interested in Pathfinder for the quality of the campaign and adventures not due to what particular edition is on the label. Presumably with the digital initiative, translating stats from 3.5 to 4.0 should be relatively painless.

If you want some unsolicited advice, I would suggest publishing materials in both 3.5 and 4.0. I am hardly an expert in the business world but it seems to me that selling downloadable PDFs would allow you to have your cake and eat it so to speak.


Erik Mona wrote:

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

1) No.

2) I will not be purchasing any 4e products.

3) If the adventures remain 3.5, I will continue to purchase them.


Dr. Gradgrind wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:

A while back I said that I'd periodically check in with Paizo customers to gauge their thoughts on the upcoming 4th Edition. Since the first time I asked, Wizards of the Coast has released two preview books, shared a great deal of information about the new game, and are on the verge of a public demo at the upcoming D&D Experience convention. In short, there's a lot more information out there than there was six months ago.

As for Paizo, we are still weighing our options. I'm told the GSL is complete and in review over at Wizards of the Coast, so a lot of the cold, hard facts we need in order to make our decision are imminent (or at least more imminent than they've been at any time in the last 6-8 months).

Given all of the information that you have heard so far about the new edition of Dungeons & Dragons, I would love to hear your thoughts on the following three questions:

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

Very soon Paizo will have all of the legal and strategic information we need to announce our plans. A sense of where the company's current audience stands on these issues as of today would be most helpful before I make the final decision.

At least for the next few days, I would appreciate it if posters limited their posts to this thread to a single post responding to the three questions.

Your feedback and continued support of Paizo Publishing is most appreciated!

--Erik Mona
Publisher
Paizo Publishing, LLC

1. No. The fact that 4E is not backwards compatible with 3.5 is a deal-breaker. Even if 4E is the greatest set of rules ever published, the fact that it trashes 30 years of D&D history makes it useless to me and my gaming group (none of whom plan on converting).

2. With regrets, I will cancel all...

Apologies for the insanely long quote, but I couuldn't jave summed it up better if I had tried, so what he said!


Erik Mona wrote:
1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

For the foreseeable future, the answer is no. I may cherry-pick here and there, but there's no incentive for my group or I to switch editions.

Erik Mona wrote:
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I would ignore Gamemastery completely — the modules are too short to be worth reworking. I would maintain my Pathfinder subscription so long as the overall quality is good. Since I rewrite and convert the material anyway, mechanics are less an issue than compatibility with my game world.

Erik Mona wrote:
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

No change.

The Exchange

1. Not planning on converting; I recently cancelled my subscription due to personal financial reasons (new house, car, kid means less disposable income). Other than 1 person in the 3 groups i game with ( all told about 10-15 people)everyone else is ambivalent about 4e. Most of them don't even follow what's going on. Also, 4E will be a much bigger financial drain, especially considering the "spreading out" of current core elements (monks etc.) over multiple products.

2. If the 4E products are settings neutral ( placed in your current setting as an example and includes those missing core elements such as half orcs, monks, bards etc.).

3. I am planning on subscribing first to plantetstories? and then to the gamemastery line. I might not subscribe to pathfinder either way. I feel as if I am "glutted" by adventure paths.


Erik Mona wrote:


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

1) No

2) Stop buying

3) Continue buying

Cheers

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Erik Mona wrote:


1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

1: I am fairly sure that I and my gaming groups will not switch to 4e. To be honest, I am only now trying to switch to 3.5 from 3.0

2: I don't think I would have much use for 4e AP's.

3: They will stay the same. I am not your biggest customer, but you are the only gaming publisher that get's my money nowadays.


1) Convert?: Not ever.

2) If Paizo switches?: I would cancel the GameMastery modules for certain. I would more likely keep the Chronicles line, as long as it stayed mostly rules-light. I would agonize over cancelling Pathfinder itself or not, but probably would cancel. I would be somewhat more inclined to drop Planet stories.

3) If Paizo doesn't switch?: I would continue as a fourfold subscriber, and buy lots of your pretty minis for the adventure paths, etc.

Liberty's Edge

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?
No, not initially. It may take a couple years or more for my group to convert. Although, this may change, because of the quality of the Pathfinder product. If I like the 4e rules (which I think will) and I have an excellent 4e Pathfinder Adventure Path, then I will probably try to talk my group into switching to 4e.

I guess the short answer is "I go where Paizo goes."

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
I will still subscribe to Pathfinder. I enjoy reading these even if I'm not playing 4e. I have so many 3e adventures to run through already, that I can keep my group busy for years before needing to use Paizo 4e adventures. Plus, I haven't bought the Gamemastery adventures yet.

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
As long as it stays compatible with either 3.5e or 4e, I'll keep subscribing to Pathfinder. If the system would change to something else, I would have to reconsider my subscription.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?

I've already promised to run a 4e campaign for my group when the time comes, so yeah, I'll convert.

2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I'll buy as much as I can afford :)

3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?

I will probably still buy some products, but probably not any PF. We'll probably still play the odd game of 3.5 and when we decide to I'll still need high quality adventures. And even if I don't end up running them, they're still a gold mine of good ideas and great plots :)


1) Not a chance in Hell (does that still exist in 4th Edition...?)

2) Nope, I refuse to support 4E and anything else supporting 4E

3) Yes, I will support Paizo for making the better maneuver of sticking with 3.5E

Sovereign Court

1) I will be playing 4.0 and 3.5 depending on who in my group is dming at the time. If paizo converts to 4.0 more time will be spent playing 4.0 unless it is terrible. If paizo stays 3.5 then more time will be spent playing 3.5.

2 & 3) I will continue to subscribe either way

Liberty's Edge

1) I will probably not convert. I haven't seen anything that makes me want to play, let alone buy 4E.

2) If Paizo switches, I will cut down to systemless Golarion products. I've previously said that I would support Paizo, even if they went 4E, but I'm no longer so confident in the ruleset. (Ironically, you'll still get a chunk of change as I buy up any old 3.5 books and adventures I have not yet purchased.)

3) I would buy more Paizo if they stayed 3rd. I know it's a tough financial decision to support an older ruleset, but not imposssible. (Sweet, salubrious OGL.) I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.

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