James Jacobs Creative Director |
Stabbity Death |
I can send Pizza and potatoe chips! My group is treading upon Divided's Ire now.
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Oh the horror. lol
-Stabbity
knightsyde |
I have been holding off posting anything on this topic but I find that it is time. I had been a long time subscriber of both Dungeon and Dragon but let my subscriptions go until I saw a Dungeon 129 and I decided to see what I had been missing and boy was I surprised....Adventure Paths - complete campaigns, amazing art and incredible writers...well I just had to know more. So I found Paizo.com and delved right in reading posts (I like to lurk) and I discovering the online supplements for each issue. These were the selling point for me. I read that a new Adventure Path was starting and I wanted in so I subscribed and all was well in the world until the day my smile turned into a frown when it was announced that Dungeon and Dragon would no long be published in print. I was outraged, hurt and disappointed that this was happening, but we received word from Paizo that all would be well they would be able to finish the Adventure Path before moving on. My frown turned upside down and all was right in the world again.
Now almost 6 months since the end of the print edition of Dungeon we are being told that we might if we are lucky get the supplements for the last 3 issues. That Paizo is busy with other projects, so now that I and my players have invested over a year of our time playing the Savage Tide I am about to be out of supplements. I know just make your own, but when I subscribed I did not have to. I expected more from Paizo.
Sorry for Ranting but when I read all the posts on here from people upset about Dungeon and Dragon no longer being published and all the bashing of wizards that went on I just feel extremely let down by Paizo.
Thanks
Richard
Snorter |
Now almost 6 months since the end of the print edition of Dungeon we are being told that we might if we are lucky get the supplements for the last 3 issues. That Paizo is busy with other projects, so now that I and my players have invested over a year of our time playing the Savage Tide I am about to be out of supplements. I know just make your own, but when I subscribed I did not have to. I expected more from Paizo.
It may not just be a matter of finding time.
IIRC, all the material in Dragon & Dungeon, plus all the projects in development, and all the submissions pile, all reverted to WOTC at the end of the license (some of which have appeared as the initial releases on WOTC Digital Dungeon).And which would also explain why there have been no hardcover Age of Worms or Savage Tide collections. Any reprint rights would need to be authorised by WOTC.
So your ire may be misplaced or premature.
(Or if I'm wrong, could a Paizo staffer clarify?).
I have always found them willing to go the extra mile.
vikingson |
Now almost 6 months since the end of the print edition of Dungeon we are being told that we might if we are lucky get the supplements for the last 3 issues. That Paizo is busy with other projects, so now that I and my players have invested over a year of our time playing the Savage Tide I am about to be out of supplements. I know just make your own, but when I subscribed I did not have to. I expected more from Paizo.
You do understand that the online supplements were a free bonus feature, right ? Like in "we are doing these as gift to you folks"..
And that Paizo, despite having been left out dangling by WotC's marketing geniuses, has kept on delivering these bonus features despite everything else probably more essential for their existence ?
Last but not least - there is this trusty invention named a copy machine. Even colour copies come in at around 30 cents (Euro) these days, which is barely half the cost of a candy bar.... b/w is even cheaper.... Not to mention a scanner on your own PC (or a friends)...
Just how much work is "too much work" these days ?
Stabbity Death |
I dont think anyone was demanding the suppliments, well except for the guy who expects more of them, (it's not like they asked Wizards to take away some of their glory in D&D, did you guys :(? ) I was not expecting it of them, only hoping.
In other words I was "Begging" -to ask for as a gift, as charity, or as a favor:
It's not an expectation. I simply know the quality of product that the Paizo artists put out, and regardless of if I scan it at maximum dpi and Photoshop the heck out of it, I'll still come up short of the origional artists work.
It's the quality of the producers that I'm hoping for. The only way I can get equivalent quality is when I Dundjinni it or use Campaign Cartographer 3 to re-create it for digital purposes but even that's sub-par most of the time without hours of work.
Heck, I've been using Tac-tiles for almost the entire adventure, draw/erase all day long, but when I get to use the original copies on the projector it's something else personally and for my players.
Quality from the professionals. With a side of brown nosing.
-Stabbity
Shem |
On an related thread a month or more ago Lisa said that their would not be any more online supplements. I believe this is not about busy staff as much about ownership of the material.
The thing that makes me sad is that the PDFs for the last 12 issues do not look like they will every be released.
Sben |
On an related thread a month or more ago Lisa said that their would not be any more online supplements. I believe this is not about busy staff as much about ownership of the material.
Which thread?
If you're talking about this one, it looks to me like Lisa Stevens was talking about PDF versions of the complete magazines, not the supplements. I couldn't find any other thread, though I certainly could have missed one (or more).
Rauol_Duke |
I think he's talking about this thread...
Since we lost the license, we no longer have the ability to make the web supplements and to put them up on the website. So those last three supplements will never see the light of day unless WotC does them, and with 4e coming down the turnpike, I doubt it is every going to be on the top of their list.
Sben |
I think he's talking about this thread...
Lisa Stevens wrote:Since we lost the license, we no longer have the ability to make the web supplements and to put them up on the website. So those last three supplements will never see the light of day unless WotC does them, and with 4e coming down the turnpike, I doubt it is every going to be on the top of their list.
Thanks!
Khartan |
Well, that’s it then. And you know what I say? Well, I won’t use that kind of language.
That’s fine. I have a scanner and I can make my own supplements. And I wouldn’t be surprised if some industrious pirate doesn’t make the entire AP available on some P2P bay somewhere.
Of course, if somebody did download such a file, I’m sure they would go out of their way to patronize Paizo in some other way.
I’m just saying – hypothetically.
Ailuro Dragon |
How would you go about creating such a thing? If it were possible, I would gladly do it, and if it were easy and legal, I would gladly share it. I just have zero idea how to do such a thing.
One can get one's scanner and scan the maps and art assets for one's home game, which is probably a copyright violation, since Paizo did not grant permission to photocopy for personal use, as it did with the Dungeon supplements posted to the website. (Mind you, for a home game, where one is not going to distribute such a scanned image, I personally feel that one would have the *moral* high ground, at least. I'm no lawyer, so I don't know if this counts as fair use.)
Paizo had the advantage of having the original art and maps, so they were able to provide alternate map versions for PCs that did not expose secret information for the DM's eyes only in their supplements. The home user would need to take their scanned images and edit them in some way, which takes time, but can be rewarding. (My favorite image manipulation software is theGIMP, which is both free and open-source. When I changed Skald from a feytouched to a fetchling in my adaptation of the Savage Tide adventure path, I got to learn some new tricks with the program so I could show my players an image of a fetchling re-imagining of Skald.)
In short, it's not easy, but it can be fun, and it's not legal to distribute anything. (without explicit permission of probably both Wizards and Paizo, because while Wizards holds the license, Paizo probably still holds the copyright)