Does anyone else feel....


RPG Superstar™ 2008 General Discussion

The Concordance RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka catdragon

That the judging is ... inconsistent?

I don't have any example to state this case, but i feel (read, feel, I have no facts) as if the entries that were received earlier were judged less harshly than the ones that came later.

Now don't get me wrong. My entry was not spectacular, and I can do better. I should have done better. And if I get involved in another like contest, I will do better.

I think the contest could be better served if the judge could read the entries, take 3-4 days to mull them over, re-read them, and then give comments.

But that's a lot of time.... not sure if Paizo wanted to commit that much time to the contest. Now it feels ... hurried.


catdragon wrote:

That the judging is ... inconsistent?

I don't have any example to state this case, but i feel (read, feel, I have no facts) as if the entries that were received earlier were judged less harshly than the ones that came later.

Now don't get me wrong. My entry was not spectacular, and I can do better. I should have done better. And if I get involved in another like contest, I will do better.

I think the contest could be better served if the judge could read the entries, take 3-4 days to mull them over, re-read them, and then give comments.

But that's a lot of time.... not sure if Paizo wanted to commit that much time to the contest. Now it feels ... hurried.

Not so much, but while I've taken issue here and there, you have to recognize what the contest is and isn't. At this stage, the public voice matters more than the judges, but they add their pro opinion as best as they can in a short period. I actually think drawing it out longer would be a critical mistake in maintaining audience interest and participation.

I would also state again, the judges' opinions are important, but they don't make or break an entry.

Scarab Sages Marathon Voter Season 7

Pathfinder Card Game, Rulebook Subscriber

i think your problem is not with inconsistancy. It is with subjectivity. Their comments are subjective, as they must be. RPG material is material of the written word and there are few objective ways to judge the quality of such when it comes it imagery, themes and imagination.

Personally I think the time elements of the contest are about right. You don't want to drag it out over a year. Everyone would get tired of it.

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

I was with you 100%, right up until the point where I realized that you meant "the Judges," the gracious Mr. Mona, Mr. Peterson and Mr. Baur - rather than, as I assumed, the laughably inconsistent judging on the part of the voting public.

I don't know, man. I hear you. I mean, I'm certain that there was Judge-Fatigue, which is why I'm taking Wolfgang's scathing review of my country with a grain of salt while trying apply his lessons to sharpen my design skills for the next round, but . . .

I guess I'm just of the opinion that we were ALL judged as swiftly as possible, and thankful that, for the most part, people are taking their time with the countries in a way that the Judges couldn't hope to match without killing the contest.

The thing that's killing me is not being allowed to respond to some of the comments on my entry - I feel like I could really engage in a dialogue with alot of people, but there's no way in hell that I'm sticking my neck out for a disqualification.

Oi.

The Exchange

It must be very tough reading all the submissions and then having to try to rank them in order. They are comparing apples and pears and trying to find some sort of scale, and remain consisistent while doing so. Even in exams where the answers are pretty straightforward that is tough. I noticed Clark has set up a sort of checklist and marking schema for the stuff he is looking at, which think is a good move. The others are more freeform, going on "feel", and that is probably where a lot of the inconsistency lies.

That said, I more or less agree with their assessments. What is interesting is that the quality of the writing is very important to how well the item is received, but as a reader of a small sample I'm finding that unless the writing is good, I'm not that interested. And I'm fairly in line with what the judges are saying too about the quality of the individual submissions overall, so they seem to be pretty much getting it right as far as I am concerned.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

thatboomerkid wrote:

The thing that's killing me is not being allowed to respond to some of the comments on my entry - I feel like I could really engage in a dialogue with alot of people, but there's no way in hell that I'm sticking my neck out for a disqualification.

I feel ya, brother. At first I wasn't going to post anything at all in my thread, but eventually I decided a little light, non-content related banter would be fine, but I sure wish I could address some questions.

Ah well, that's for after the 11th, I suppose, though honestly I don't know how much time I'll spend on answering questions when hopefully I'll have a villain to write! If things go less well, I'll have all the time in the world...

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Aubrey the Malformed wrote:


That said, I more or less agree with their assessments. ... And I'm fairly in line with what the judges are saying too about the quality of the individual submissions overall, so they seem to be pretty much getting it right as far as I am concerned.

That makes two of us - the judges are very, very smart people, and they have done a fine job, in my opinion, of giving voters a lot of authentic professional criticism to base their comments and their votes on.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

I stand by all my comments and don't feel that I've been in any way inconsistent. No one gets 3-4 days of deep consideration off a slush pile in the real world, and it would be B.S. to allow for that here. Either I think a submission is good enough, or I don't. Often that's a decision I make immediately after reading the submission.

Honestly, in the real world a bad submission is not even going to get a complete reading. Once an editor sees something he doesn't like, it's probably dead.

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Erik Mona wrote:


Honestly, in the real world a bad submission is not even going to get a complete reading. Once an editor sees something he doesn't like, it's probably dead.

Well said, sir.

I thank you for that dose of reality, as well - it's refreshing to know that real world editors bravely take a strong stand against what they dislike . . . and stand by it.

As a reader & voter on some of these entries, I've held my tongue rather than alienate a fellow contestant or make an enemy of their fans, a luxury that the Judges could not afford during this (or the previous) round.

I thank the Judges again for their time, comments, and hard work.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

catdragon wrote:
I don't have any example to state this case, but i feel (read, feel, I have no facts) as if the entries that were received earlier were judged less harshly than the ones that came later.

From my experience in reviewing and scoring grant submissions, I would say that there is a slight - very slight - advantage to being reviewed early. The reviewers are fresh, and their thinking about what constitutes an acceptable versus an unacceptable submission are somewhat unformed.

But, any advantage is far outweighed by the strength or weakness of a submission. A great submission stands out by itself based on the strength of its presentation and how it meets the criteria.

But really, any advantage for getting in early disappears on the second reading. An early submission that you first thought was okay may seem stronger or weaker after consideration of the total pool of submissions.

Public review of this round of submissions has only been going on for about 28 hours, and we've still got days to go in the discussions and voting.


Jeb Boyt wrote:
But really, any advantage for getting in early disappears on the second reading. An early submission that you first thought was okay may seem stronger or weaker after consideration of the total pool of submissions.

What if you dont' get a "consideration of the total pool"? I ditched all but the 12 that struck me as worth a reread since I only had 5 votes. I didn't bother to go back since it took hours just to do one read through to find 12. There may well be an entry that deserved being in my top 5, but I'm not going back to look for it.

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6 , Dedicated Voter Season 6

Erik Mona wrote:

I stand by all my comments and don't feel that I've been in any way inconsistent. No one gets 3-4 days of deep consideration off a slush pile in the real world, and it would be B.S. to allow for that here. Either I think a submission is good enough, or I don't. Often that's a decision I make immediately after reading the submission.

Honestly, in the real world a bad submission is not even going to get a complete reading. Once an editor sees something he doesn't like, it's probably dead.

That right there is a valuable tip. I'm hoping to get a full commercial credit to my name some day, and this contest is wonderful practice for how writing is received by neutral audiences.

RPGA modules are all well and good, but there's a lot more wiggle room for bad prose when you're writing those.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6 aka Core

Jeb Boyt wrote:
From my experience in reviewing and scoring grant submissions, I would say that there is a slight - very slight - advantage to being reviewed early. The reviewers are fresh, and their thinking about what constitutes an acceptable versus an unacceptable submission are somewhat unformed.

Yeah I don't think when you enter it matters much. I was probably the first person to submit in round 1 and the last person to submit in round 2, the reception from the judges has been pretty much identical on both entries.

The Exchange Kobold Press

thatboomerkid wrote:

I don't know, man. I hear you. I mean, I'm certain that there was Judge-Fatigue, which is why I'm taking Wolfgang's scathing review of my country with a grain of salt while trying apply his lessons to sharpen my design skills for the next round, but . . .

I guess I'm just of the opinion that we were ALL judged as swiftly as possible, and thankful that, for the most part, people are taking their time with the countries in a way that the Judges couldn't hope to match without killing the contest.

Yeah, sometimes I get a bit carried away with the scathing. It is, however, part of the reality of publishing that a slush pile is read quickly and judged quickly. There's simply no way for a small operation like Kobold Quarterly, or even a medium-biggish house like Paizo to give every submission hours of deliberate thought. First impressions carry a lot of weight.

I stand by my comments, though clearly I could have been much more diplomatic about it. Clearly, the judges are all taking turns being Simon.


I debated this inside my head maybe a week ago, and decided I thought “inconsistent” (although the word I used at the time was arbitrary) was unfair.

What I reconciled was there is an appearance post submission that some entries received a greater degree of latitude than others did. That doesn’t suggest impropriety, it just says, if an entry is made of awesome, maybe the rules were more elastic for that item.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

That is an excellent observation.

Liberty's Edge

Erik Mona wrote:
That is an excellent observation.

And fair enough too. Rules issues, formatting etc. can be picked up at the editing stage. If there's not a killer idea to start with, it might never make it to editing stage.

Legendary Games, Necromancer Games

catdragon wrote:

That the judging is ... inconsistent?

I don't have any example to state this case, but i feel (read, feel, I have no facts) as if the entries that were received earlier were judged less harshly than the ones that came later.

YOURS was the very FIRST entry I reviewed, which might sort of throw a wrench in that theory of yours :)

Legendary Games, Necromancer Games

catdragon wrote:
I think the contest could be better served if the judge could read the entries, take 3-4 days to mull them over, re-read them, and then give comments.

I agree that I would have liked to have had more time. But it wouldnt change my reviews in any way. It just would have meant that I would have had meaningful interaction with my wife and daughter for two nights instead of locking myself in my basement and blasting through these.

The Exchange

Maybe you did what you thought was a good job at the time. They do stress it's the entry that may be at fault not the writer. It is a learning process for all of us.

Also remember that you reached the Top 32 and that is some achievement in itself. Many of us didn't.

Cheers


Well...

I think the judges did a splendid job. Although some of the current country entries are real crap, and I'll bet my left nut some of the people that never made it into the 32 could have submitted better countries.

But that's the nature of competition.

Alas. What if? What if?

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Wolfgang Baur wrote:


I stand by my comments, though clearly I could have been much more diplomatic about it. Clearly, the judges are all taking turns being Simon.

In your defense, not a single thing you said was incorrect, inappropriate, or unwarrented - and I do, in fact, thank you for the honest criticism.

As for the video-game feel of my entry: you are correct. I was raised on video games. I was in love with Ninja Gaiden, Street Fighter and Mega Man long, LONG before I liked D&D, poetry or girls - and perhaps it shows.

Hell, I once ran a one-shot, three-night, high-level Expanded Psionics/d20 Modern game that actually had a "Character Select Screen" moment - I handed out the pile of pre-gen sheets, and each of the players chose one.
The unselected characters became mini-bosses, with the "Corrupted" template thrown onto them, defended by swarms of low-level, shotgun-toting minions. You know, to make the fights more exciting.

Not everyones' cup of tea, obviously - and I'm very, VERY lucky to have your editorial feedback.

I thank you, and all of the other judges, once again.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

You're welcome. I just watched the PHB PSAs last night (well, the first four, anyway), and they're pretty funny. You make an excellent Hennet, and have a good natural sense of humor. Good luck in the rest of the contest.

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Erik Mona wrote:
You're welcome. I just watched the PHB PSAs last night (well, the first four, anyway), and they're pretty funny. You make an excellent Hennet, and have a good natural sense of humor. Good luck in the rest of the contest.

Within the genre of films made for monetary sums approaching the cost of a cup of coffee, I like to think the PSAs stand out as well-written, enjoyable and fun - and serving an otherwise tragically underserved audience, that of "gamers who don't hate themselves."

Regardless, I am quite sincerely flattered and I thank you for the luck - I intend to use it.

While I am a contented and Zen human, all full of inner balance and stuff, I would like nothing more than to work for you. Failing that, I'm hoping that Mr. Peterson has, perhaps, enough fondness for my writing to offer me a job in the mailroom or cafeteria over at Necromancer.

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Erik Mona wrote:
You're welcome. I just watched the PHB PSAs last night (well, the first four, anyway), and they're pretty funny.

This one, Dwarves vs. Elves, is our most popular video. Probably because it's better than the others, I'm thinking. Anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNrLMob39qI

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

mwbeeler wrote:

I debated this inside my head maybe a week ago, and decided I thought “inconsistent” (although the word I used at the time was arbitrary) was unfair.

What I reconciled was there is an appearance post submission that some entries received a greater degree of latitude than others did. That doesn’t suggest impropriety, it just says, if an entry is made of awesome, maybe the rules were more elastic for that item.

I entertained similiar thoughts as you did, although my end result was that the rulings were not inconsistent, they were subjective.

An entry may be awesome to one reader but the next reader may consider it most foul.


Mothman wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
That is an excellent observation.
Rules issues, formatting etc. can be picked up at the editing stage. If there's not a killer idea to start with, it might never make it to editing stage.

True, but editing is a tedious job - more so than writing, IMHO. I do some editing for those wishing to publish with us - it is something I do not wish on my worst enemy.

This is especially true in the RPG realm, because you must make sure every stat block, rules, and other technical aspects are correct (in addition to grammar) before publishing. While ideas are grand, good grammar and other skills are essential tools to clearly express your ideas.

A killer idea is just that, but an editor should not have to write the article. Plus, ideas are for cliff notes. It is good, well constructed sentences that carry a solid idea into eternity.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

mwbeeler wrote:

I debated this inside my head maybe a week ago, and decided I thought “inconsistent” (although the word I used at the time was arbitrary) was unfair.

What I reconciled was there is an appearance post submission that some entries received a greater degree of latitude than others did. That doesn’t suggest impropriety, it just says, if an entry is made of awesome, maybe the rules were more elastic for that item.

Case in point from round 1: the Migrus Locker

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

Jason Nelson 20 wrote:
mwbeeler wrote:

I debated this inside my head maybe a week ago, and decided I thought “inconsistent” (although the word I used at the time was arbitrary) was unfair.

What I reconciled was there is an appearance post submission that some entries received a greater degree of latitude than others did. That doesn’t suggest impropriety, it just says, if an entry is made of awesome, maybe the rules were more elastic for that item.

Case in point from round 1: the Migrus Locker

It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.


jraynack wrote:

True, but editing is a tedious job - more so than writing, IMHO. I do some editing for those wishing to publish with us - it is something I do not wish on my worst enemy.

This is especially true in the RPG realm, because you must make sure every stat block, rules, and other technical aspects are correct (in addition to grammar) before publishing. While ideas are grand, good grammar and other skills are essential tools to clearly express your ideas.

A killer idea is just that, but an editor should not have to write the article. Plus, ideas are for cliff notes. It is good, well constructed sentences that carry a solid idea into eternity.

Yeah! Well put. (I do some editing for d20 products myself.) Or to look at it differently, one hopes that the ultimate RPG Superstar can hit the grand slam of entries where it doesn't need tons of fact checking, tons of rewrites, and lots of work with the SRD to get it right.

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Darkjoy wrote:
Jason Nelson 20 wrote:
Case in point from round 1: the Migrus Locker
It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.

*grin*

To prove the point about subjectivity:

I love the Migrus, and have already added it to my game.

Legendary Games, Necromancer Games

Darkjoy wrote:
It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.

Wait, let me check....

Yep. I just checked. It is, in fact, official 100% certified AWESOME.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6 aka Core

Darkjoy wrote:


It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.

http://canecorpus.com/migrus.jpg


Core wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:


It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.
http://canecorpus.com/migrus.jpg

so wonderfully nice.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Gross.

Dark Archive Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4

Oh my god, that's PAINFULLY cute.

Legendary Games, Necromancer Games

There it was. You can barely see it in that picture. The stamp. It says "US-RPG-A 100% Awesome". Near that dark part of the skin on the back.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Steven T. Helt

Maybe Mr. Darkjoy should think more of the locker than the 'creature'. After all, the locker brings it back to life or whatever.

Wondrous item grading, I have found recently, is very subjective and changes based on the massive number of effing augury items people submitted, which was supposed to be one: mine.

Therefore, a truly unique item that has no chance of reproduction (migrus reproduction: there's an image for ya) is superstar. That and the goblin necklace of ears are likely to make it into a future game of mine. Sorry, but somehow I don't think any of myplayers will ever ever ever be drinking magical augury teas. Dammit.

(the tea is a great item, I jest out of playful jealousy)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Darkjoy wrote:
Jason Nelson 20 wrote:
mwbeeler wrote:

I debated this inside my head maybe a week ago, and decided I thought “inconsistent” (although the word I used at the time was arbitrary) was unfair.

What I reconciled was there is an appearance post submission that some entries received a greater degree of latitude than others did. That doesn’t suggest impropriety, it just says, if an entry is made of awesome, maybe the rules were more elastic for that item.

Case in point from round 1: the Migrus Locker
It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.

I liked it okay, didn't love it, didn't hate it, though it was certainly one of the weirder items in the top 32. Whether it's a creature or an item was debatable.

The point is, the judges thought the concept rocked the house and probably gave it some leeway on its mechanical... ambiguities... for that reason.

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

Core wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:


It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.
http://canecorpus.com/migrus.jpg

Ahw GAWD, post a warning next time will ya?

Hairless cats, it's wrong on so many levels.

Oh, and remember I am evaluating the entry, not you. You struck a chord with all three of the judges and that should count for something. The Migrus just doesn’t do anything for me, which might be explained by the fact that I am not a cat person, or a dog person for that matter.

hmm, which explains why I don't like the blink dogs as well ;>

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 8 aka Sect

Darkjoy wrote:
Core wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:


It is a creature and I do not consider it as being awesome, far from it.
http://canecorpus.com/migrus.jpg

Ahw GAWD, post a warning next time will ya?

Hairless cats, it's wrong on so many levels.

Oh, and remember I am evaluating the entry, not you. You struck a chord with all three of the judges and that should count for something. The Migrus just doesn’t do anything for me, which might be explained by the fact that I am not a cat person, or a dog person for that matter.

hmm, which explains why I don't like the blink dogs as well ;>

If you're not a cat person or a dog person, then you're not a person at all.

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

Sect wrote:


If you're not a cat person or a dog person, then you're not a person at all.

I am such a people person that there just isn't room for cats and dogs (and a whole lot of other species).

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 8 aka Sect

Darkjoy wrote:
Sect wrote:


If you're not a cat person or a dog person, then you're not a person at all.
I am such a people person that there just isn't room for cats and dogs (and a whole lot of other species).

So you're saying that you endorse slavery? Boo! Keeping people as pets is wrong!

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

Sect wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:
Sect wrote:


If you're not a cat person or a dog person, then you're not a person at all.
I am such a people person that there just isn't room for cats and dogs (and a whole lot of other species).
So you're saying that you endorse slavery? Boo! Keeping people as pets is wrong!

Know your place slave! Know that there are worse fates than becoming a zombie in my undead army.


varianor wrote:
jraynack wrote:

True, but editing is a tedious job - more so than writing, IMHO. I do some editing for those wishing to publish with us - it is something I do not wish on my worst enemy.

This is especially true in the RPG realm, because you must make sure every stat block, rules, and other technical aspects are correct (in addition to grammar) before publishing. While ideas are grand, good grammar and other skills are essential tools to clearly express your ideas.

A killer idea is just that, but an editor should not have to write the article. Plus, ideas are for cliff notes. It is good, well constructed sentences that carry a solid idea into eternity.

Yeah! Well put. (I do some editing for d20 products myself.) Or to look at it differently, one hopes that the ultimate RPG Superstar can hit the grand slam of entries where it doesn't need tons of fact checking, tons of rewrites, and lots of work with the SRD to get it right.

Exactly - while I read the entries for those killer ideas, I also need drawing in by good, solid writing.

I read a lot of philosophy and classic lit., and with numerous fantasy works on the market, something has to hit me from the get go or else I toss it aside. It is hard for me, since I sometimes I want a good fantasy book to read, but often find myself disappointed with the same old song and dance routine used time and time again.

I say all this for that is what I feel RPG Superstar is about - looking for new and innovative ideas, stretching the boundries of the d20 realm. Ideas are great, but well chosen words and solid grammer makes those ideas into inspiration.

Dark Archive

I tried very hard in my own decisions not to read any of the judges replies. The last thing I wanted was my own thoughts on the writing to be colored. In a few cases I blew it and read too far, which was what prompted me to stop reading and just mark down my own thoughts without reading the other responses.

Land of the Stained Peaks and Cyrellhan (sp?) represent two cases where I had read ahead and realized that the judges write-ups were coloring my own views. So I stopped reading them, and made my choices and voted before going back and reading what others thought of them. Which led to some funny disconnects, where I ended up completely against the mainstream.


thatboomerkid wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
You're welcome. I just watched the PHB PSAs last night (well, the first four, anyway), and they're pretty funny.

This one, Dwarves vs. Elves, is our most popular video. Probably because it's better than the others, I'm thinking. Anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNrLMob39qI

This is one of my top two favorites, I must say. (The other is the second Q&A with Tordek, Redgar, and yourself as Hennet).

Now back to the thread....


ancientsensei wrote:

Maybe Mr. Darkjoy should think more of the locker than the 'creature'. After all, the locker brings it back to life or whatever.

Not from my recollection. The locker was just where the cat is found. It comes back to life where it dies. The locker is irrelevant once the cat is found - but if an ebony fly is a wondrous item I guess this might squeeze by. The description was evocative IMO and still the entry sticks in my mind.

The judging appeared to have elements of objectivity but when it comes down to it it appeared to me to be pretty subjective - certain judges liked undead type things because that is the type of thing they like. The greaves which took up a boots slot and gave you the ability to climb as a monkey direct from the monster manual got through because people like monkeys & the descriptive prose(I guess).

I think Mr Mona's defense by saying effectively that if this was submitted to a publisher the type of immediate rejection is what you have to get used too is clearly correct (he would know) but also a bit irrelevant as this was not the basis of the competition IMO.

However what was really gained by those submitting was the chance to have a look at the thought process of publishers be it objective, subjective, inconsistent or whatever. From my point of view as a first round loser (please dont put that tag next to my name)I would like to have the thread of discussions emailed to me at some stage so I can get some idea where I went wrong. I put this as a low priority public service type thing from Paizo-- but I would appreciate it.


I didn't feel that the Judges were in any way inconsistent. I DID however feel a certain apathy set in with me where the third or fourth entry to have strained relations with Dwarven neighbors didn't hit me the same way it did the first time. Same with other recurring themes like Hobgoblins (which I foolishly recommended as overlooked opposition in some of my early criticisms, completely ignorant of the wave of Hobgobby love to follow...) and Bardic insurrectionists.

I still tried to find some good and some bad in each entry and threw my votes at the ones that not only tipped the scales towards the good side, they knocked the damn contraption over.

In a completely unrelated note, I quietly curse Erik Mona for reminding me of White Castles as I sit here typing at 1:27 a.m. in an uncivilized land without 24 hour mini burger chains. Grr.


Werecorpse wrote:
However what was really gained by those submitting was the chance to have a look at the thought process of publishers be it objective, subjective, inconsistent or whatever. From my point of view as a first round loser (please dont put that tag next to my name)I would like to have the thread of discussions emailed to me at some stage so I can get some idea where I went wrong. I put this as a low priority public service type thing from Paizo-- but I would appreciate it.

I think a list of common pitfalls would serve better than a transcription of the individual discussion threads. I'm sure many of us first round washouts (yeah, don't want that tag either) could find our place on the list without further prompting (There I am, under "Useless to PCs"... and again under "Poor Pricing Construction."). Of course, even more helpful would be some tips to AVOIDING said pitfalls.

After this round, I'd be eager to see some professional tips on naming, since that seemed to trip up a fair many in the top 32.

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