Hell Hierarchy


4th Edition

Scarab Sages

The latest article for digital "Dragon" has some of the dukes of hell. Personally, it seems to me as if they got the idea for this article from Kobold Quarterly, especially since one of WotC's dukes has the same name as the first of KQ's Princes.

Anyway, The article is kind of long, and it isn't available for download (at least not yet), so I thought I'd post some excerpts:

Moloch the Outcast
A great red-orange skinned giant lurches forward, whipping a scourge through the air. Fiery slanted eyes stare out, unblinking from its bestial horned head, and ropes of slime drip from its toothy maw.

Moloch is the exiled duke of the sixth layer of the Nine Hells of Baator. Stripped of his title and weakened by betrayal, he is a shadow of his former self.

Titivilus
There is something compelling about this strange man. You feel a sense of kinship with him despite the black fur of his goat legs, the small black wings sprouting from his back and the twin black horns growing out of the front of his bald head.

As Dispater’s viceroy and ambassador, Titivilus is a powerful duke of Hell.

Bael
A tall humanoid creature smiles at you, revealing a wide mouth filled with sharp teeth. Two small bovine horns break through the golden skin of its brow above watery eyes of a matching golden hue. Large pointed ears break through his mane of glorious red hair.

Bael is Mammon’s vassal and commander of his 66 companies of barbed devils.

Balan and Bathym
Balan and Bathym were once allies in the court of Belial, lords that awaited the pleasure of their hedonistic master. Now they are rivals and enemies.

Balan
Charging forward on gray hooves is a giant of a man. Yellow of skin with fierce black brows and a tufted black beard, his face bears an idiotic and drooling grin. His eyes belch small bursts of actinic flames, blazing as his bellows crude laughter. His legs and forked tail are a bright scarlet and he wears nothing aside from a thick belt of flesh made from the faces of those he’s slain.

Balan is a duke of Phlegethos and a loyal supporter of Belial.

Bathym
A black-armored humanoid hisses at you from beneath its great horned helmet. It hefts a black spiked mace that bleeds darkness. Its long black cloak hangs about its shoulders.

Bathym foreswore his allegiance to Belial when Fierna attained the throne, and vowed to serve the daughter instead.

Anyway, since I couldn't download the article, I just cut and pasted it and will save it as a PDF. There was a similar thread started on this article but it was in the Dragon Magazine section instead of the 4E section. I think it fits here better.


Aberzombie wrote:
The latest article for digital "Dragon" has some of the dukes of hell. Personally, it seems to me as if they got the idea for this article from Kobold Quarterly, especially since one of WotC's dukes has the same name as the first of KQ's Princes.

Since Titivilus has served Dispater since 1E's Monster Manual II, I think we can simply chalk this one up to coincidence.


I haven't checked out Kobold Quarterly, so I have no frame of reference as to that article. After reading this one, though, I think it's a pretty good article that I actually may find uses for in my own campaign. And it was written by the author of Fiendish Codex 2. Good quality art, too.

Scarab Sages

James Keegan wrote:
I haven't checked out Kobold Quarterly, so I have no frame of reference as to that article. After reading this one, though, I think it's a pretty good article that I actually may find uses for in my own campaign. And it was written by the author of Fiendish Codex 2. Good quality art, too.

The two KQ articles they've had so far on this topic have been really good. The first was written by Wolfgang Baur and covered Titivillus as the Scribe of Hell. The second was written by Tim Connors and covered Belphegor, the Baron of Laziness and Invention. Each one was a fairly thorough write up, very similar to the Demonomicon articles. In the thrid issue they are advertising Arbeyach, Lord of Locusts, by Ari Marmell.

Grand Lodge

Well, as you can imagine, I'm glad that Moloch is back!

I won't get the chance to read the article for a few days at best, thanks for bringing it to my attention, Aberzaombie!

Also, I was going to ask about Belphegor and Olivier; I've never seen them in any D&D source -- I'm going to HAVE to check out "Kobold Quarterly"! You mentioned it details D&D Belphegor; does anyone know if a devil or some other incarnation of the devil, Olivier has made it in D&D, ever?

-W. E. Ray

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Molech wrote:

Well, as you can imagine, I'm glad that Moloch is back!

I won't get the chance to read the article for a few days at best, thanks for bringing it to my attention, Aberzaombie!

Also, I was going to ask about Belphegor and Olivier; I've never seen them in any D&D source -- I'm going to HAVE to check out "Kobold Quarterly"! You mentioned it details D&D Belphegor; does anyone know if a devil or some other incarnation of the devil, Olivier has made it in D&D, ever?

-W. E. Ray

Belphegor's been mentioned in D&D. Twice in Dungeon, at least, although there she's quite a different beast than the Kobold Quarterly version. Her first appearance was in issue #2, in an adventure called "Caermor." Her second (more of a cameo) appearance was in issue #135, in an adventure called "Dawn of a New Age."

I, of course, dropped in her cameo in "Dawn of a New Age" due to my own fond memories of "Caermor." :-)

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Aberzombie wrote:

The latest article for digital "Dragon" has some of the dukes of hell. Personally, it seems to me as if they got the idea for this article from Kobold Quarterly, especially since one of WotC's dukes has the same name as the first of KQ's Princes.

Actually Titivillus is a devil from the real world, so it he isn't original with Kobold Quarterly.

However, WotC spelled the duke's name wrong, which is especially amusing given his connection to scribes and writing (!). Given that WotC has stepped on KQ's series a bit, I think we kobolds may give Arch-Devils a rest soon.

Another amusing coincidence: the magazine and WotC's site share an author: Robert Schwalb. He was Kobold Quarterly's author in issue #2, where he contributed the Assassin article.

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:


Belphegor's been mentioned in D&D. Twice in Dungeon, at least, although there she's quite a different beast than the Kobold Quarterly version. Her first appearance was in issue #2, in an adventure called "Caermor." Her second (more of a cameo) appearance was in issue #135, in an adventure called "Dawn of a New Age."

I, of course, dropped in her cameo in "Dawn of a New Age" due to my own fond memories of "Caermor." :-)

Excellent adventure - "Belle" certainly had my player's fooled! That one was by Willie Walsh wasn't it?


Wolfgang Baur wrote:
Given that WotC has stepped on KQ's series a bit, I think we kobolds may give Arch-Devils a rest soon.

No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I mean, pretty please no?

Grand Lodge

Okay, I've heard tons about "Kobold Quartery" but since I really have so little time to look, where can I find it? I figure if Baur and Jacobs are browsing this Thread one can certainly inform me.

It's some kind of internet periodical, right? Are you the exclusive author, Wolf, or editor? What site can give me an overview or sample? Is it like "Dragon" or something else? How much does it cost?

Thanks,
W. E. Ray

Grand Lodge

And has anyone heard of Olivier the "devil"?


Molech wrote:
What site can give me an overview or sample? Is it like "Dragon" or something else? How much does it cost?

most all of your questions can be answered here on paizo. just check the downloads page under Open Design. it's really a kick ass product!


Molech wrote:

Okay, I've heard tons about "Kobold Quartery" but since I really have so little time to look, where can I find it? I figure if Baur and Jacobs are browsing this Thread one can certainly inform me.

It's some kind of internet periodical, right? Are you the exclusive author, Wolf, or editor? What site can give me an overview or sample? Is it like "Dragon" or something else? How much does it cost?

Thanks,
W. E. Ray

You can find it here

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Molech wrote:

Okay, I've heard tons about "Kobold Quartery" but since I really have so little time to look, where can I find it? I figure if Baur and Jacobs are browsing this Thread one can certainly inform me.

It's some kind of internet periodical, right? Are you the exclusive author, Wolf, or editor? What site can give me an overview or sample? Is it like "Dragon" or something else? How much does it cost?

Thanks,
W. E. Ray

Many of us write for Wolf's kickass Kobold! I've got an article in KQ#2 (Ecology of the Barghest).

Scarab Sages

Wolfgang Baur wrote:
Given that WotC has stepped on KQ's series a bit, I think we kobolds may give Arch-Devils a rest soon.

Poop! I'm very sorry to hear that... those articles (as well as the whole periodicals) have been excellent! Thanks to WotC for f-ing up another part of my enjoyment of the game.

Scarab Sages

Molech wrote:
And has anyone heard of Olivier the "devil"?

Yeah, he was the little bespectacled, tow-headed cousin on the Brady Bunch.

Grand Lodge

Thanks guys


Wolfgang Baur wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:

The latest article for digital "Dragon" has some of the dukes of hell. Personally, it seems to me as if they got the idea for this article from Kobold Quarterly, especially since one of WotC's dukes has the same name as the first of KQ's Princes.

Actually Titivillus is a devil from the real world, so it he isn't original with Kobold Quarterly.

However, WotC spelled the duke's name wrong, which is especially amusing given his connection to scribes and writing (!). Given that WotC has stepped on KQ's series a bit, I think we kobolds may give Arch-Devils a rest soon.

Another amusing coincidence: the magazine and WotC's site share an author: Robert Schwalb. He was Kobold Quarterly's author in issue #2, where he contributed the Assassin article.

Thank you Mr. Baur, I appreciate your comments on the message boards.

Big fan, keep it comin.


Awesome article, the best thing to come out from the online content. Anyone know if they are going to do more? Say... AMON, exiled duke of the 5th and his winter wolf? *cough, cough* :)

Liberty's Edge

Jim Helbron wrote:
Awesome article, the best thing to come out from the online content. Anyone know if they are going to do more? Say... AMON, exiled duke of the 5th and his winter wolf? *cough, cough* :)

Evil in Hell, it all still boils down to a story about a boy and his dog. ;)


I'll give credit where credit is due. I liked this article, and the art was pretty good too. Though I have a fascination w/ the subject matter, so I'm biased.

OTOH, I'm not pleased that it's appearance is making WB consider laying off more write-ups in the Kobold Quarterly, though. That'd be a shame, and our loss.


I agree, and while I liked the article, I also really liked Belphegor in the last KQ, and he is the type of duke of hell that isn't likely to get covered "officially" anymore because he isn't all about combat and he isn't a "sexy" character.

Grand Lodge

Well, I finally had the time to read it -- bleh!

I guess if you're in to stat blocks it's okay, but the fluff -- WHERE the Heck is it?! I mean, truthfully, do people buy supplements like "Lords of Madness," the Fiendish Codeces, and "Drow of the Underdark," for Crunch? I don't think so at all -- it's almost ALL about the Fluff.

If I need a stat block for Moloch then I'll make it! And Schwalb says this in the article: basically, rewrite stat blocks to suit your campaign; if you need these folks to have higher CRs, do it. Gee, thanks, then, for 5 of 6 pages of stat blocks that you know are not going to be used "as is" by most gamers!

I wanted Fluff! So this "Feature" of the WotC site gives, what, 3 paragraphs for Moloch and then 1 each for Bael and Titivilus, and then one sentence each for the two Phlegthos Nobles. That's not merely insufficient; it's CRAP!

And where's Geryon?! And, gee, they mention Arioch but that's ALL. Where's Amon?! How about Druaga?! Hel? Tlaloc? Set?

-W. E. Ray


It's kinda funny, I've never cared much for the devils, was usually more interested in the demons. The devils seemed a lil too cartoonish for me, though I'm sure it's mostly just my perceptions. Granted I havent seen the AD&D books with them in it forever, I might have thought differently back then.

Grand Lodge

That's okay Swirler, nobody's perfect.

-W. E. Ray

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

I liked the article although, as with many other things, I would have liked having more. However, I was a little confused by the CR 23 creatures being able to bypass epic damage reduction.


Azzy wrote:
Jim Helbron wrote:
Awesome article, the best thing to come out from the online content. Anyone know if they are going to do more? Say... AMON, exiled duke of the 5th and his winter wolf? *cough, cough* :)
Evil in Hell, it all still boils down to a story about a boy and his dog. ;)

LOL, you got me. But Amon is just cool. And I want the stats and story for him. After all, he was in the origional Monster Manual 2...

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