Wow, not sure about this.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1640.Captain_America_Lives?utm_camp aign=front+page+tracking&utm_source=main+graphic&utm_medium=graphic +text+link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.1640.Captain_America_Live s
"So not only will someone other than Steve Rogers step into the Cap costume come January, they'll be armed with both a gun and a knife to go along with Cap's classic shield. There's no doubt fan reaction will be loud and varied."
I'm pretty sure its Winter Soldier (ie. Bucky, Cap's WW2 sidekick who was made over into a brainwashed cyborg assasin for the USSR during the cold war)
"So not only will someone other than Steve Rogers step into the Cap costume come January, they'll be armed with both a gun and a knife to go along with Cap's classic shield. There's no doubt fan reaction will be loud and varied."
I'm pretty sure its Winter Soldier (ie. Bucky, Cap's WW2 sidekick who was made over into a brainwashed cyborg assasin for the USSR during the cold war)
or maybe John Walker aka U.S. Agent hehe.
or maybe John Walker aka U.S. Agent hehe."So not only will someone other than Steve Rogers step into the Cap costume come January, they'll be armed with both a gun and a knife to go along with Cap's classic shield. There's no doubt fan reaction will be loud and varied."
I'm pretty sure its Winter Soldier (ie. Bucky, Cap's WW2 sidekick who was made over into a brainwashed cyborg assasin for the USSR during the cold war)
Maybe... but they've sent US Agent to join Alpha Flight since a lot of the US super criminals apparently fled to Canada since its harder knock off banks in the US since there is an Initiative team in every state. Plus Canada presumably puts the super criminals in the traditional easy to escape jails, not sending them to the Negative Zone Gulag.
Plus I haven't read the last issue or two of Captain America, but Bucky/Winter Soldier was:
A) Pissed about Steve Rogers getting assasinated.
B) Decided to kill Tony Stark, since its all his fault. (According to Bucky, who is more than a little twisted... but not an unreasonable viewpoint)
C) He fought Black Widow to steal (or liberate, depending on your POV) Cap's shield from the hands of Stark's Avengers.
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imagine that, Marvel brings back a dead character.......like that has never happened before.
One reason why I stopped reading Marvel books long long ago, the hype leading up to & over a dead character, big deal he'll return next issue.
About the only one that hasn't returned is like that guy in panel 4 of some deadbeat comic, that no one bought.....
I like Alex Ross's artwork but ughhh on the new Cap costume, bring back the old one...... it's like the Silver Surfer merged with him (like Spidey's black costume symbiont sorta thing) & then Ross ran out of ideas for the bottom half of him......
Looks a bit pants to me.
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imagine that, Marvel brings back a dead character.......like that has never happened before.
One reason why I stopped reading Marvel books long long ago, the hype leading up to & over a dead character, big deal he'll return next issue.
About the only one that hasn't returned is like that guy in panel 4 of some deadbeat comic, that no one bought.....
While I generally agree with the sentiment, it's not applicable here. According to the link, this is a different guy dressed as the Cap, not the same guy brought back from the great beyond.
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I like Alex Ross's artwork but ughhh on the new Cap costume, bring back the old one...... it's like the Silver Surfer merged with him (like Spidey's black costume symbiont sorta thing) & then Ross ran out of ideas for the bottom half of him......
Part of it is a comment on public mentality... you're not a patriot unless you've wrapped yourself in a flag to the nipple-line. Suck ass costume. Suck ass implementation. Suck ass stories. I've given almost completely up on Marvel. In an average week I pick up between 5 and 10 comics. The vast majority are DC, then a couple of independants. I just can't stand the 'Marvel House of Ideas' anymore, they've destroyed too many interesting characters.
The idea of Cap having a gun and even wielding a gun is not that offensive to me. He is a soldier and is an excellent marksman (not a complete artist like Hawkeye, but still, from small arms to ordinance, Cap is familiar with it because he needs to be. He excells at using it because he's driven to train and be the most knowledgable about the full gammut of the military sphere. But yeah, the tradition of Captain America is that the bar is just set higher. Alas, kinda like our country nowadays, that's just not how we are trying to define ourselves. Moral high-ground be damned, protect ourselves at any cost, then we can tea-bag our dead opponant. Take that beyotch!
The scuttlebut around the FLCS is that it's Cap from the Invaders being brought forward in time somehow. Now granted they're probably not going to answer any paradox questions about how the dead Cap was found in the ice all those years ago by the Avengers. This is Marvel. If it hasn't got a punch or explosion by the end of every third page, the book is probably slated for cancellation.
Most of Marvel's (and DC's) business is based on a successful "pantheon" of intellectual properties, like Capt. America. Every so often the Hulk turns gray or Superman dies and is replaced by four crappy stand-ins. They always come back.
He looks weak with the gun.
Alex Ross is a phenomenal artist, but I have to say, this is a weak design. All that chrome on top is going to be a pain for the regular art team to pull off, month after month. In truth, Ross himself is probably the only artist who could make it look halfway decent. IIRC, he did a similar design for Spider Man, at about the time of the first movie. THAT one was excellent, harkening back Steve Ditko's early art. But here, it’s just not as sharp.
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Yup, It's Bucky. However, I'd have been more pleased if Frank Castle had kept on with the 'new Captain America' gig. It was just so... cool, seeing the Punisher in a blue suit with a red and white skull on the chest. It almost made me proud to be an American again, seeing good ol' Frank wearing the red, white, and blue. But that accursed Bucky had to go and steal it. Bastard.
*blorf* It would be nice if Alex Ross at least based the gun off of, you know, a real gun.
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Sigh, just what we needed, -another- super hero representing the country with the most guns in the world. They should call him Captain 2nd Amendment. Terrible decisions. They brought him back too soon and if they wanted Cap to have a gun they should've kept the Punisher as cap. But then again that would mean one of the two titles would be out possibly.
well, hmm, sure violates the Cap we all know and love, but he as a soldier, ie super soldier of wwII; guess they should give him a few grenades also; wonder why his costume which looks cool, looks all gleamy; he used to wear chainmail.
the gun looks like a .45 to me; classic vintage weapon (bullet so slow and massive you can actually see it in flight); I would have gone with a full Desert Eagle .50 or a Baby Eagle .40 though myself.
It's unusual, but has precedent. Several of the WWII issues have him with a sub machine gun in hand. Still seems wrong.
I don't see what the problem is- the guy IS a soldier, he has been seen with guns several times over the years, although he greatly prefers to use his shield. I still miss the energy shield myself.
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Feh Marvel Killed Captain America as the Sentinal of Liberty (sp) Long before they Killed Steve Rogers.
That's -not- Captain America. Read the Cap issues where he was thought dead and Sam Wilson took up the Shield. That's what Captain America means.
Heck, I'd almost take the abomination that spawned Super Patriot over this.
Yes, Steve Rogers was a soldier. And soldiers use guns. That said, Captain America was more than just a soldier, or even a super soldier. He was an ideal. You don't take the easy way out when you're trying to live up to an ideal. Killing a guy is remarkably easy (how many times as Marvel done it, anyway?). But defending the weak, protecting the rights of the average man, and doing it WITHOUT perforating someone-that's tough. Frank Castle could be the next Captain America if all it took was skill with a gun, and excel at it. But for Cap, it was about far more than that. In the high-tech world that Marvel has become, Cap still got the job done with his bare hands and his shield. While the shield was indestructible (with a few exceptions), it's still a shield. A relic of simpler times? Perhaps. Or, maybe, something more. I'm not looking forward to a Captain America with a gun. Might as well give him a few nuclear missiles at this point, or maybe a copy of the Iron Man armor.
At least it ls not Steve Rogers with a gun.
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At least it ls not Steve Rogers with a gun.
Amen to that.
One of my favourite Cap Stories was when Cap fought a mind controlled Iron Man. Cap's still adjusting to the '70s from being revived, and Iron Man wonders what an acrobat with a glorified shield can do in the modern world.
Then he gets schooled ;-)
Also Infinity War when Thanos beats all the Heroes and Cap is the only one left. He knows he has no chance, but keeps going, because surrender is not an option. That is what Cap, and America, mean to me. You do the right thing, no matter how hopeless, because it's the right thing.
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They brought him back too soon and if they wanted Cap to have a gun they should've kept the Punisher as cap.They should have kept the Punisher as Cap.
No way. That Punisher/Cap costume hybrid was just plain ridiculous. And Frank Castle just doesn't have the moral code to be Captain America.
Bucky will fill in for a time, but Steve will be back (with a little help from Nick Fury). That much I can guarantee.
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They brought him back too soon and if they wanted Cap to have a gun they should've kept the Punisher as cap.They should have kept the Punisher as Cap.No way. That Punisher/Cap costume hybrid was just plain ridiculous. And Frank Castle just doesn't have the moral code to be Captain America.
Bucky will fill in for a time, but Steve will be back (with a little help from Nick Fury). That much I can guarantee.
I don't know if you've noticed, but in the real world these days Frank Castle is the PERFECT person to represent America.
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The thing that really got me about the Marvel Civil War was the end panel of the Lightningbolts (I forget which one) that showed Uncle Sam, dead, floating facedown in a pool of oil. Chilled to the f#$@ing bone.
And now that it's been mentioned, I guess that Frank wouldn't have made a good Captain. I just think that it would have been an interesting turn of events. Who knows, maybe the Punisher could have changed his own moral code to better fit that of the fallen Captain. Or maybe, Downer could have switched universes and... never mind. Wrong comic. I miss Dungeon.
What's more American than having a gun? I guess Cap's is using his right to bear arms...Seriously no, come on what happened to the i'll stomp your ass with just a shield, Cap? Damn you Ironman.
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The thing that really got me about the Marvel Civil War was the end panel of the Lightningbolts (I forget which one) that showed Uncle Sam, dead, floating facedown in a pool of oil. Chilled to the f@@&ing bone.
Wasn't that scene from Infinite Crisis (DC)?
*I know there was a scene like that where Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters got torn apart by the Society in the 1st issue. In the hardcover collection, they note that it was originally supposed to be water with dark blood surrounding the body... but the colorist thought it oil, and did it that way... and it looked good.
Did you see the canteen?! LOL
"Better not have kool-aid in that canteen, son!" - my Drill Seargent
Guys. guys, please... this is Marvel.
It's a clone of Steve Rogers made by the Jackal.
well, not only a canteen but several ammo pouches as well; looks like over a hundred rounds to me. Wonder if he is useing pre ban hardware or if he just uses whatever hardware he wants.
my favorite battle featuring the Capt; was in the cosmic cube series agaisnt the Red Skull. I hope this comics writer still has the capt trained in all the martial art forms; Steve Rogers not only was the heart, soul and leader of the Avengers (though not a founder) he taught almost all of them how to fight, when to fight, and how to organise. The Capt really needs to be written as something larger than life; better than the average hero, an aspiring character or this whole thing is gonna fail; he isnt the fastest, strongest, smartest or any of that; but the Icon that is Capt America always has the perserverance and dedication to do what is right and just regardless of how hard and ugly it may be, the moral issue of the Capt are what killed him and his comic and why Marvel has rewritten him so many times trying to get him in tune with the current heart of America; not an easy task; I certainly dont want to see a Capt as vicious and immoral as our current generation is thought to be.
Thinking of the knife he has; I was wondering if it was a bayonet and if so, what rifle or carbine it fits. I can see him with a .45 but not an M16, he has to have access to better hardware than standard issue. Also, I wonder if he has special loads; rubber bullets, glazers, flechettes, some electroshock bullet; wonder if there gonna do a little like Hawkeye's special arrows with him.
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You realize, of course, that all of those pouches on his belt aren't for ammo, right? There are tons of things that go into a web belt. Things like first aid kits, maps, and compasses are invaluable! That being said, I imagine his web belt much more like Batman. I'm sure there's an Americarang in there somewhere. Maybe his mask is fitted with night vision and infrared scanners...
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The thing that really got me about the Marvel Civil War was the end panel of the Lightningbolts (I forget which one) that showed Uncle Sam, dead, floating facedown in a pool of oil. Chilled to the f#*#ing bone.
I read the novelization, and the scene was strong enough in text.
For me, the concept of Captain America was tainted with 'Truth'. I was upset that Marvel had decided to take the sinple pure idea of an American Hero and drag it through the mud by tainting it with the idea of experimenting on blacks. (or anyone for that matter)
I mean the entire reason that Steve Rogers becomes Captain America is that he Volunteered. He couldn't serve his country any other way. To take that loyalty and taint it the way they did, disgusted me.
It would be like finding out Superman's parents were black, and the governemnt put a white baby in the rocket.