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Liberty's Edge

I was looking over at Wizards, and they're saying that's the possible monthly price range for the two mag's and the online stuff.
I think they oughtta,like, seriously reconsider lowering that. You don't pay for ink, paper, shipping, none of that. What's the margin on paying a few authors and a bunch of web stuff? Don't you suck more people in at say $5 a month?


But Wooly, remember, if you have friends that want to play and don't have a subscription, they have to pay a connection fee to play online with you, and if you want minis to use on the virtual desktop you have to pay extra, and if you want the content of your books available online, you have to play extra . . . you don't think all of the people they have to hire to process those fees work for free do you?

Liberty's Edge

lol...reminds me of this Popeye cartoon.
Had a menu said..."ham sandwich 5 cents...wit' mustard add 5 cents...wit bread add 5 cents...wit' ham,...5 cents."

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Heathansson wrote:

lol...reminds me of this Popeye cartoon.

Had a menu said..."ham sandwich 5 cents...wit' mustard add 5 cents...wit bread add 5 cents...wit' ham,...5 cents."

They are offering frequent updates (3 articles per week, I think, so about the same as the paper mags per month). But yeah, I'm a bit surprised at the price as well.

Kobold Quarterly costs $16 for a full year, and features just as heavy-hitting a lineup of authors. I think WotC may be coasting on the "exclusive 4E information" (ie, you pay to have them feed you the marketing spin for the new game).

It's hard to judge without a better look at the tools and extras.


Heathansson wrote:

I was looking over at Wizards, and they're saying that's the possible monthly price range for the two mag's and the online stuff.

I think they oughtta,like, seriously reconsider lowering that. You don't pay for ink, paper, shipping, none of that. What's the margin on paying a few authors and a bunch of web stuff? Don't you suck more people in at say $5 a month?

I caught the same thing myself. And I wondered how they came up with the "fuzzy" math? A year subscription to both Dungeon and Dragon mags would have been about $78 ($38.95 apiece). Now call me crazy, but that works out to about $6.50 for both issues a month. So how they get $10-$15 is beyond me. Unless we are supposed to buy the idea that the extra $3.50-$8.50 is to cover the same WoC D&D articles that we get for free now (Character class, etc...)? And really are not that great...

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Jim Helbron wrote:
Unless we are supposed to buy the idea that the extra $3.50-$8.50 is to cover the same WoC D&D articles that we get for free now (Character class, etc...)?

Given the "Ah, f$*# it!" attitude I saw with E-Tools, I can't believe they're so eager to dump everything ever created in the D&D family into that one basket.

It's kind of got that "Titanic" feel to it.

All the brands are pulled back in house and thrown aboard the juggernaut that will be D&D 4. Confidence is well and good, but I don't see any lifeboats.

On a different (but similar) note, I can't wait for an announcement of "premium packs" of random digital miniatures to populate your (monthly subscription required) online tabletop with.

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*sigh* Just shoot me now... preferably with something human bane so it's quick


WOTC is releasing preview books for 4e in Jan 08' For $15.00 WTF is that like paying for Movie trailers!

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<sarcasm>Since everybody is just holding their breath and counting the days until gaming is delivered from the dark ages by the paragon of all that is good and holy, D&D 4, they can obviously count on the "Lord of the Rings Trailer" effect.</sarcasm>


Squeatus wrote:
Jim Helbron wrote:


On a different (but similar) note, I can't wait for an announcement of "premium packs" of random digital miniatures to populate your (monthly subscription required) online tabletop with.

Deider Monin (Blog at WOTC) wrote:

We are still looking and defining the exact details of how digital miniatures will be available for the game table, and we will provide the relevant information in due time through the dndinsider.com articles.

Getting miniatures for the online game table from randomized boosters is certainly envisioned, even if that may not be the only way to get them.

Liberty's Edge

I'm hoping it's one of those over-price-at-the-beginning deals, like with most new car models, iphones, and all that jazz. Ten to fifteen dollars a month seems a little stiff for a magazine you can't hold in your hand. Pdf's to me anyway are a pain in the ass to deal with. I know people who own the complete Dragon runs on disc (this product came out a few years back) who haven't read it all because pdf's are a pain in the ass to deal with.
I guess I'll have to wait and see what the online dealy is and how good it is, cos that's a fat load of jink for two magazines on pdf, by my reckoning. I'm also hoping the margins are unreal on this, so the price will have to come down to rope in more gamers at a lower price. Seems to me that $5 a month would be a more manageable and realistic cost for such a product on a pdf.
Also, I'm not advocating piracy in any way, I think it sucks. But at $10-$15 monthly, that's just gonna give more impetus to blackmarketeers to do their thing.


waitaminute. We have to BUY the minis for use on the 'dnd table' ?

I am going to give 4.0 a chance when it comes out. Though I do not plan to get anywhere near the splatbooks I have for 3.5

But there is no way I will convince 6 of my friends to shell out 10-15$ a month/each for a subscription to this online stuff, and more for the extras? No thanks, I'll stick with pencil and paper.


Heathansson wrote:

I'm hoping it's one of those over-price-at-the-beginning deals, like with most new car models, iphones, and all that jazz. Ten to fifteen dollars a month seems a little stiff for a magazine you can't hold in your hand. Pdf's to me anyway are a pain in the ass to deal with. I know people who own the complete Dragon runs on disc (this product came out a few years back) who haven't read it all because pdf's are a pain in the ass to deal with.

I guess I'll have to wait and see what the online dealy is and how good it is, cos that's a fat load of jink for two magazines on pdf, by my reckoning. I'm also hoping the margins are unreal on this, so the price will have to come down to rope in more gamers at a lower price. Seems to me that $5 a month would be a more manageable and realistic cost for such a product on a pdf.
Also, I'm not advocating piracy in any way, I think it sucks. But at $10-$15 monthly, that's just gonna give more impetus to blackmarketeers to do their thing.

Hopefully they're just testing the waters to see if they can get a positive reaction (ie people saying they're willing to pay) and they'll lower it closer to game time.

But I totally hear you on pdfs. I get that they're trying to push toward the future or whatever and compete in the modern market aiming for a bigger audience and all that, and I try to stay postive about 4th and plan to check it out, but the switch to online only for the magazines is something I will not do. I didn't even read Pathfinder early as I just can't get into pdfs. It's just not the same.


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Wolfgang Baur wrote:

I think WotC may be coasting on the "exclusive 4E information" (ie, you pay to have them feed you the marketing spin for the new game).

It's hard to judge without a better look at the tools and extras.

Well, given Dragon Online and Dungeon Online will be free for several months yet, we'll get a good view of what they offer.

The price is superb for international subscribers, btw. It's very close to the price of a subscription to *one* magazine, and also provides timely content. Paizo's ability to ship the magazines internationally in a timely fashion sucked.

I really don't like how you have to subscribe to the entire package, however. I wouldn't be surprised if that changed as we got closer to the "go" date. It makes no sense for players to have to get Dungeon Online.

Cheers,
Merric

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blope wrote:
waitaminute. We have to BUY the minis for use on the 'dnd table' ?

That you'll have to pay 10-15 bucks (or more, if the tabletop is an add-on feature) to retain access to.

...and god forbid the tabletop gets abandoned.

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Squeatus wrote:
blope wrote:
...and god forbid the tabletop gets abandoned.

At least I know the hundreds of dollars of plastic minis I've bought in the last few years will continue to be usable with the games I run long into the future. I'm already waiting with bated breath to see the virtual riots in seven or eight years when 5E is released and all the money spent on 4E digital initiative minis, which of course will not be compatible with the newest online tabletop (assuming it isn't abandoned entirely), will have been better invested on toilet paper.


10-15? Well, it's not we can't make copies and give them to everyone at the table....


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You know, I'm not going to even bother reading anything about 4e anymore. At this point, everything is just guess work.

I'm sure that the marketing department is the ones that are putting out the new information. "Would people be interested in paying this for this? Let's find out." Post, post, post.

I pay $13 a month for XM Radio, $15 for DDO, $100+ a month to support my D&D habit. To have digital magazines that don't take up space? That's worth $15.98 a month for me (Remember, Dragon and Dungeon are $7.99 a month cover price each). To have a digital table that I can play with friends that move out of state? That's worth $10 for me, even though it'll be free.

If you have a stable group, start charging "dues" like in Cub/Boy Scouts. Sure, you may have to deal with "divorce settlements", but treat these things like stock. Have people chip in to pay for the D&D Minis (if they're going to charge for them at all!). "These Orcs aren't Orcs, they're Hobgoblins. The Dragon is a gelatenous cube." Take a clue from the 4e intro trailer. Use the monsters as you see fit. Heck, I've used empty dice containers to represent caravans for years!

4e is no different from 3e. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You don't have to pay for what you don't want. Now is the time to decide. Do you want to buy it, or do you want to spend your money on something else (wife/girlfriend, kids, movies, beer, car payment, house/apartment, big screen TV, etc, etc, etc)? Not paying for the DI isn't going to break anyone.

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Liberty's Edge

I still say the margin is stiff for a handful of ozone.

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tdewitt274 wrote:

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If you have a stable group, start charging "dues" like in Cub/Boy Scouts. Sure, you may have to deal with "divorce settlements", but treat these things like stock. Have people chip in to pay for the D&D Minis (if they're going to charge for them at all!). "These Orcs aren't Orcs, they're Hobgoblins. The Dragon is a gelatenous cube." Take a clue from the 4e intro trailer. Use the monsters as you see fit. Heck, I've used empty dice containers to represent caravans for years!
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Err... so let me be clear on this: You honestly suggest that you should really charge players for attending your game. I for one would be out of players in a second.

As for the second part of that paragraph, i absolutely fail to see how it is connected to the first one in any way. Maybe you could clear up the link between "if you happen the be a bad person, with limited disposable cash, just bum it off someone else" and "well, i've misrepresented monsters for ages".

Then again, this may just be an attempt to elicit some reaction from the apathic void that is the internet. In this case, you where successful.


I don't use plastic minis (although I do occasionally buy metal ones). I can't even begin to imagine people willing to pay for digital minis. And I can't stand reading PDFs. I was pretty sure I wasn't going to sign up for the Digital Initiative, but now I'm very sure.

As for 4th edition, I am checking out the 4th edition Player's Handbook, as well as the Castles and Crusades Player's Handbook. And if I don't like them, It isn't like I can't use my 3.5 stuff.

Liberty's Edge

And if I say, "okay, fine. I don't like it. I won't buy it," how far from now is the guy who posts, "yeah you will. I want you to sign a statement that says, 'I, Heathansson, refuse to buy bla bla bla..."
I can't win.

Liberty's Edge

Yeah. I guess I just need to find a churlish gaggle of disgruntled, disenfranchised greybeards who, like me, will be damned to a succubus-free hell if they're gonna suck for that 4.0 crap.


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I would pay a $1000/word. Its pure gold.

Liberty's Edge

Can I borrow $50?

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MerricB wrote:

Well, given Dragon Online and Dungeon Online will be free for several months yet, we'll get a good view of what they offer.

The price is superb for international subscribers, btw.

I think the free trial is genius. Although so far, the blogs aren't doing much for me, and the online magazines are still to come.

I'd also agree that the international price is great, but that may just be the declining US dollar.


TerraNova wrote:
Err... so let me be clear on this: You honestly suggest that you should really charge players for attending your game. I for one would be out of players in a second.

Do as you may. It would definately cut down on having to buy the chips all the time.

Truthfully, $1 a person per game isn't really that much, is it? To use the chip example with six players, that could be a 12 pack of soda, bag of chips, and some generic mild cheddar dip per game session. In Miniatures, that's almost a PH over 5 game sessions that everyone can be using.

Your group may differ.

TerraNova wrote:
As for the second part of that paragraph, i absolutely fail to see how it is connected to the first one in any way. Maybe you could clear up the link between "if you happen the be a bad person, with limited disposable cash, just bum it off someone else" and "well, i've misrepresented monsters for ages".

The "Have people chip in to pay ..." should have been another paragraph. It looked like a coherent paragraph at the time.

TerraNova wrote:
Then again, this may just be an attempt to elicit some reaction from the apathic void that is the internet. In this case, you where successful.

Not an attempt to get a reaction, just restating the same reactions that I heard, and did not head, back in 2000. This time around, I'll be sitting back, relaxing, playing the games I've always been playing, and read the new books when they come out. At that point, I'll decide to pay for the DI or not.

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tdewitt274 wrote:
TerraNova wrote:
Err... so let me be clear on this: You honestly suggest that you should really charge players for attending your game. I for one would be out of players in a second.

Do as you may. It would definately cut down on having to buy the chips all the time.

Truthfully, $1 a person per game isn't really that much, is it? To use the chip example with six players, that could be a 12 pack of soda, bag of chips, and some generic mild cheddar dip per game session. In Miniatures, that's almost a PH over 5 game sessions that everyone can be using.

Your group may differ.

It does. They bring the chips, drinks and soda. :)

That being said, and even if i had both the money and the inclination to pay for virtual minatures at a virtual game, the preview looks... horrible, in a word. Neverwinter Nights 1 had _good_ graphics compared to the examples, and these where not great. If they want to make money of some immateria, then please for the love of Captain Jack Sparrow, make it a little more appealing.


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Wolfgang Baur wrote:


I think the free trial is genius. Although so far, the blogs aren't doing much for me, and the online magazines are still to come.

That´s the way I view it also. Giving away content for free is a good marketing strategy to get people hooked. The content so far gets a "meh" from me.

Wolfgang Baur wrote:


I'd also agree that the international price is great, but that may just be the declining US dollar.

Absolutely! It has never been more fun ordering in the US than these days :-) I haven´t calculated it exactly, but I think that if I order directly, I´m still better off than ordering through my FLGS, even considering P&H. I know it kills my FLGS, but german retailers seem to be crappy anyway - I subscribed to Dungeon and Dragon because of the trouble getting my copies via my FLGS, and it was cheaper, too.

Stefan


tdewitt274 wrote:

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To have a digital table that I can play with friends that move out of state? That's worth $10 for me, even though it'll be free.
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Where did yu here the game table will be for free? On the message boards at WotC, paying for the dgame table is not only happening, but paying is seen as a desirable and good idea.

I would realy like to find out where you heard that.

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Sir Kaikillah wrote:
tdewitt274 wrote:

[rant]

To have a digital table that I can play with friends that move out of state? That's worth $10 for me, even though it'll be free.
[/rant]

Where did yu here the game table will be for free? On the message boards at WotC, paying for the dgame table is not only happening, but paying is seen as a desirable and good idea.

I would realy like to find out where you heard that.

Over And Above the Already Subscription Price?

I can personally see my self paying for $10-15 subscription a month Price.. Under the assumption that there are no 'Extra Fees" for this and that.. If all I am getting out of the $10-15 is articles... That would be WAY!!!! Too much.

I find it hard to believe how WotC would think $10-15 a month is a fair price if you just got articles, and had no access to the Virtual Gaming Table.

I am sooo still amazed they still do not have all the details on this. This all should have been worked out before the announcements.


The free trial is great - it's convinced me that I'm not paying one cent for it.

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DaveMage wrote:
The free trial is great - it's convinced me that I'm not paying one cent for it.

I have been confused on this...People keep saying this.

At this point in time the DI is nothing like what it is supposed to be when it goes Live.. How can you say you hate it when we have so little Info?.. Wait..

Now not paying for it because no matter what they put there it is not worth it is one thing.. But basing your opinion on what is there now is Like Saying you Hate Butterflies based on what the caterpillar looks like before you even know that it will turn into a butterfly.


Sir Kaikillah wrote:
tdewitt274 wrote:

[rant]

To have a digital table that I can play with friends that move out of state? That's worth $10 for me, even though it'll be free.
[/rant]

Where did yu here the game table will be for free? On the message boards at WotC, paying for the dgame table is not only happening, but paying is seen as a desirable and good idea.

I would realy like to find out where you heard that.

The great thing about all these different sources is that you get all these different sources. The bad thing about all these different sources is that you get all these different sources.

I can't recall exactly where I heard it, but I believe it was audio/video. The only thing I can peg down as a source is from Gleemax. Yes, it does contradict what I stated before, but I can't find that reference. And as they haven't nailed down every detail, it may have changed from when I originally heard it (again, reinforcing my original rant that I'm no longer reading previews).

Link
"D&D Insider will be in free preview mode from now until the release of 4th Edition in the first half of next year. Once we start charging for it, it will cost "more than a magazine but less than an MMO" (which I did hear officially translated at least once as $8 - $12 / month). You certainly don't need an Insider subscription to play D&D - technically, you don't even need to upgrade to 4th Edition to play D&D - but in both cases we think we're giving you enough value for your dollar that you'll want to. In addition, even if you aren't a subscriber you can still access the digital tools in a "pay as you go" mode which we'll have more details on later. The idea is to allow folks to pay a smaller price for, say, one session at the Game Table or some such. "


Heathansson wrote:
Yeah. I guess I just need to find a churlish gaggle of disgruntled, disenfranchised greybeards who, like me, will be damned to a succubus-free hell if they're gonna suck for that 4.0 crap.

Churlish? Check.

Disgruntled? Check.
Disenfranchised? Maybe.
Greybeard? Nope.

So I think I'm on board your angry-train, with reservations. I just don't see anything in 4E that I want or appeals to my tastes.

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tdewitt274 wrote:


The great thing about all these different sources is that you get all these different sources. The bad thing about all these different sources is that you get all these different sources.

I can't recall exactly where I heard it, but I believe it was audio/video. The only thing I can peg down as a source is from Gleemax. Yes, it does contradict what I stated before, but I can't find that reference. And as they haven't nailed down every detail, it may have changed from when I originally heard it (again, reinforcing my original rant that I'm no longer reading previews).

Link
"D&D Insider will be in free preview mode from now until the release of 4th Edition in the first half of next year. Once we start charging for it, it will cost "more than a magazine but less than an MMO" (which I did hear officially translated at least once as $8 - $12 / month). You certainly don't need an Insider subscription to play D&D - technically, you don't even need to upgrade to 4th Edition to play D&D - but in both cases we think we're giving you enough value for your dollar that you'll want to. In addition, even if you aren't a subscriber you can still access the digital tools in a "pay as you go" mode which we'll have more details on later. The idea is to allow folks to pay a smaller price for, say, one session at the Game Table or some such. "

That I can see them Doing.. By the way..if you look at Sage Advice he says between $10-$15 a month.

This is what we do know what DI will include.

Dragon
Dungeon
Character Generator
Virtual Gaming Table.
& More (unknown what more is)

To me that is worth $10-15 a month... But.. If they decide that the Character generator or VGT Costs extra above the Subscription then it is not worth it.. Or if they Decide that you have to pay extra for say Add on rules from new books or Minis for the Character Generator or VGT then it is not worth it. My subscription fee for it to be that High needs to cover both of that or they are charging way too much.

What I am willing to do is for you to get the extra content on either the CG or VGT you have to own the new books In hardcover and given a special code to add it to the programs.. But I am not willing to pay for the product Twice.

Example.. The character generator will originally just include the Basic set, later on as they add more books that will be added to the character generator, They need to either have that included with your subscription fee or you can add it with a special code once you owe the Printed material.

If they ever charge for digital miniatures on the VGT that will be the day I end my subscription.

In other words $10-$15 is Allot of money and it should Include all services of DI. I will not except them charging extra for Extra material, that is what I am supposed to get out of my Subscription fee.

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Well it looks like all the web enhancements/dragonmarks/Realms stuff/Mind's Eye/etc. will also be behind the insider wall, based on the September and beyond previews.


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Wait, $10-15 per month!

That's insane.

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If 15 dollars a month allows me to keep playing with my group between missions in Iraq, then take my money now. If it lives up to the hype then I'm in.

Tam


Tambryn wrote:
If it lives up to the hype then I'm in.

Am I just cynical or does that statement seem naïve?

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CourtFool wrote:
Tambryn wrote:
If it lives up to the hype then I'm in.
Am I just cynical or does that statement seem naïve?

Yes

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CourtFool wrote:
Tambryn wrote:
If it lives up to the hype then I'm in.
Am I just cynical or does that statement seem naïve?

You're standing in my sunlight, Alex.


Heathansson wrote:
You're standing in my sunlight, Alex.

So?! You are standing on my lowered morals.


Dragnmoon wrote:
DaveMage wrote:
The free trial is great - it's convinced me that I'm not paying one cent for it.

I have been confused on this...People keep saying this.

At this point in time the DI is nothing like what it is supposed to be when it goes Live.. How can you say you hate it when we have so little Info?.. Wait..

Now not paying for it because no matter what they put there it is not worth it is one thing.. But basing your opinion on what is there now is Like Saying you Hate Butterflies based on what the caterpillar looks like before you even know that it will turn into a butterfly.

It's been available for about a month now and it's pretty bare.

Where's the content?

So far, it's a big bunch of nothing. Giving me "nothing" for free doesn't wow me. ;)

You would think that if they expect people to pay, that there would be a WHOLE bunch of "wow" on there.

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DaveMage wrote:

It's been available for about a month now and it's pretty bare.

Where's the content?

So far, it's a big bunch of nothing. Giving me "nothing" for free doesn't wow me. ;)

You would think that if they expect people to pay, that there would be a WHOLE bunch of "wow" on there.

You are assuming that there will not be more... I am sure the realize they have nothing to get people's attention as of yet. Wait until close to 4e, then you may see more

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here is the image I referred in my earlier post.


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Dragnmoon wrote:
DaveMage wrote:

It's been available for about a month now and it's pretty bare.

Where's the content?

So far, it's a big bunch of nothing. Giving me "nothing" for free doesn't wow me. ;)

You would think that if they expect people to pay, that there would be a WHOLE bunch of "wow" on there.

You are assuming that there will not be more... I am sure the realize they have nothing to get people's attention as of yet. Wait until close to 4e, then you may see more

That would defeat the entire concept of a free preview. Wait until close to 3-4 months before 4th edition would mean you have to pay for it.

However, I dont think we can judge the content till the end of October. The majority of the free trial articles (Dungeon and Dragon online) appear then. I think at the end of October or even November we can make more accurate decisions on its worth. The current articles I dont think are really the meat of DI. Least I hope not.

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Arelas wrote:

That would defeat the entire concept of a free preview. Wait until close to 3-4 months before 4th edition would mean you have to pay for it.

However, I dont think we can judge the content till the end of October. The majority of the free trial articles (Dungeon and Dragon online) appear then. I think at the end of October or even November we can make more accurate decisions on its worth. The current articles I dont think are really the meat of DI. Least I hope not.

They are going to need something to warrant a $10-15 a month fee. They have mentioned some of the things that will be there... and none of it is yet..

Right now I base my opinion On what they say will be there.. not what is there now.

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I'm subscribed to the StarWars.Com content (Hyperspace) and pretty happy with it, and considering what it costs, I have to say that's a great price.. particularly if Wizards is able to deliver the computer toolset and seamlessly integrate new content into it like they were showing off at gencon. This is also MUCH cheaper that what Wizards asks from their Magic Online subscribers. :)

As a Hyperspace subscriber, a player of many MMOs over the years, and an Xbox Live user, I'm used to micro transactions for "exculsive" online content... even if that content 1 way or another gets "out."


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Dragnmoon wrote:


Right now I base my opinion On what they say will be there.. not what is there now.

Well they have said themselves the preview starting October is a good indication of the content (I assume except the generator and table). I agree that judging the currents month contents when Dragon and Dungeon doesnt start to next month is silly.

However, I think they've changed too many statements in the past. So unless I see something and its made clear how it will work I cant trust what they say will be there. Especially since it seems a lot of it is still changing.

So if liking DI is based on the generator and table you have to wait. If dungeon and dragon magzine is what you want, we get a few month preview starting next month.

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