I hadn't heard about Pathfinder until I saw it in the store today. Picked up both products out of curiosity. But now I've run into an apparent dependency that wasn't listed anywhere on the cover. The Artifice Domain... comes from the Ebberon setting I believe. Didn't realize I needed that for this product. :(
Hmmm. I don't own a single Eberron product and I'm not having any dependency problems.
Hmmm. I don't own a single Eberron product and I'm not having any dependency problems.
Then where do I find information on the Artifice Domain that's listed on one of the deities?
Thanks for the link Jason.
The domain is from the OGL part of Deities and Demigods.
Ah, thanks... still, makes me wonder what else in this product is not in the core books.
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The domain is from the OGL part of Deities and Demigods.Ah, thanks... still, makes me wonder what else in this product is not in the core books.
A handful of creatures from The Book of Fiends (Green Ronin) and The Tome of Horrors (Necromancer Games), but everything necessary to use them has been reprinted in the stats; also there's a PrC and a feat or two from the Book of Fiends, but once again, everything useful/pertinent is in the adventure.
So, what you really need is the d20 SRD for the rules and the Player's Guide for extra flavor, which are both for free. ;)
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Apart from some of the SRD domains (which are often reprinted in various books like the Eberron campaign setting, the Forgotten Realms campaign setting, Complete Divine, and Spell Compendium) that some of the deities get... all you really need to use Pathfinder is the 3 core books. In Pathfinder itself, we reprint all of the non-core stuff we use so that it's easier to use Pathfinder without having to sift through books to get them.
We just didn't have room to list several of the other domains in the Player's Guide, alas, but since all those domains are relatively easy to find (and free, of course, if you have access to the SRD) I felt it was a better choice to include them and broaden the deities a bit.
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Ah, thanks... still, makes me wonder what else in this product is not in the core books.
Pathfinder is OGL, thus conforms to the SRD, which many (including me; I'll hold my hands up...) mistakenly believe equates to '3 Core books only'.
It's actually more complex than that, since some optional rules from later books are included (such as psionics, though the Paizo writers have implied this element will not be actively pushed), and some content from the 3 core books is not included (some of the iconic monsters, such as beholders, etc), or changed (spell names do not use specific Greyhawk/FR personages). So, instead of 'Bigby's Crushing Hand', you would see just 'Crushing Hand', which is something to look out for, to avoid fruitless page-flipping through the PHB...The SRD is freely available over the 'net, and can be printed, or saved for your own use. I don't have the link to hand, but maybe someone else can point Darkbridger in the right direction...
Ah, thanks... still, makes me wonder what else in this product is not in the core books.Pathfinder is OGL, thus conforms to the SRD, which many (including me; I'll hold my hands up...) mistakenly believe equates to '3 Core books only'.
<shrug> I know a few players that are new to RPGs as of 3.5. These people don't know the details of the SRD nor would know to go looking for it unless instructed by the rules somewhere. It's nice that it's all free, but not everyone keeps up with online resources.
We just didn't have room to list several of the other domains in the Player's Guide, alas, but since all those domains are relatively easy to find (and free, of course, if you have access to the SRD) I felt it was a better choice to include them and broaden the deities a bit.
Broadening the deities is indeed a nice choice. However, the Pathfinder Player's Guide is only 16 pages long. I guess there isn't enough unreferenced SRD material to fill up another 4? (Assuming that adding anything less than that isn't really possible given how printing works) Still, it would be nice to have had those details for a beginning product, or at least a highlighted reference on where to find the SRD and what "non-Core" (for lack of a better term) parts of it the game uses. Even if adding 4 pages drove the price up a dollar, I don't think most players would have minded the increase... it's an inexpensive product to begin with.
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However, the Pathfinder Player's Guide is only 16 pages long. I guess there isn't enough unreferenced SRD material to fill up another 4? (Assuming that adding anything less than that isn't really possible given how printing works)?
As far as I'm aware, printing uses 'blocks' of 16 pages (sorry, I don't know the official term...;P), which are formed from large sheets folded 4 times, before binding, and the edges trimmed. So the next step up would be a 32-page product, then 48, 64, 80, 96....etc.
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Broadening the deities is indeed a nice choice. However, the Pathfinder Player's Guide is only 16 pages long. I guess there isn't enough unreferenced SRD material to fill up another 4? (Assuming that adding anything less than that isn't really possible given how printing works) Still, it would be nice to have had those details for a beginning product, or at least a highlighted reference on where to find the SRD and what "non-Core" (for lack of a better term) parts of it the game uses. Even if adding 4 pages drove the price up a dollar, I don't think most players would have minded the increase... it's an inexpensive product to begin with.
It's not as simple a matter as adding 4 pages, unfortunately. The way it works; we have to add pages in "signatures," which means in batches of 16 pages. So it's either a 16 page product or a 32 page one. Or maybe it's batches of 8 pages. We certainly can't just add 2 or 4, though. :(
It was also one of the first products we've done to make full use of the SRD, so it's a little rough around the corners. We SHOULD have, at the very least, indicated where to look for those domains. We just didn't think of it.
In future Pathfinders, though, when we do larger writeups of the deities (first up is Desna in Pathfinder 2), we'll be reprinting those domains not in the PHB fully.
In any case, we made sure to give all the deities lots of domains, and no one of them has more than one domain that doesn't appear in the PHB, so they still work fine if you ignore those domains.
Well, we don't need things like Book of Fiends and such to play with Pathfinder...however, would it enhance the games to pick up one of these sourcebooks? Especially since certain people will be willing to unload their 3.X series of books at LOW, LOW PRICES!!! Hahaha!
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We just didn't have room to list several of the other domains in the Player's Guide, alas, but since all those domains are relatively easy to find (and free, of course, if you have access to the SRD) I felt it was a better choice to include them and broaden the deities a bit.
And for those without the SRD, here's one of the best resources for SRD info...
I use it A LOT when I see something I don't recognize, usually saves me a lot of searching.
When that fails there's...
http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20
Which indexes all of Wizard's books so if it's not SRD, you can find where it was published by Wizards. :)
Everyone always forgets the Mind domain, but it's in the SRD too.
Mind Domain
Granted Power: Gain a +2 bonus on Bluff, Diplomacy, and Sense Motive checks. Gain a +2 bonus on Will saves against enchantment spells and effects.
Mind Domain Spells
1. Comprehend Languages
2. Detect Thoughts
3. Telepathic Bond, Lesser
4. Discern Lies
5. Telepathic Bond
6. Probe Thoughts
7. Brain Spider
8. Mind Blank
9. Weird