Now maybe we can generate more traffic in 'Other RPGS'.
The only real problem with that is if 4E tanks and Paizo's new lines take off like a rocket, you can bet your sweet Aunt Millie Hasbro will buy them out.
The only real problem with that is if 4E tanks and Paizo's new lines take off like a rocket, you can bet your sweet Aunt Millie Hasbro will buy them out.
::::SNARLS!::::
Paizo doesn't have to sell.
Agree. But the amount of money a buyout brings, along with the added promises of job security and creative autonomy, has been enough to put many wonderfully creative small companies, just as good as Paizo, in the hands of corporations who view them as little more than a dollar sign. And once you've sold, you may think for a while that you're still in charge, and they may let you think that, but when it comes down to it, eventually they'll start cracking the whip...
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Paizo doesn't have to sell.Agree. But the amount of money a buyout brings, along with the added promises of job security and creative autonomy, has been enough to put many wonderfully creative small companies, just as good as Paizo, in the hands of corporations who view them as little more than a dollar sign. And once you've sold, you may think for a while that you're still in charge, and they may let you think that, but when it comes down to it, eventually they'll start cracking the whip...
Ahh...Roman Governance.
Ahh...Roman Governance.Paizo doesn't have to sell.Agree. But the amount of money a buyout brings, along with the added promises of job security and creative autonomy, has been enough to put many wonderfully creative small companies, just as good as Paizo, in the hands of corporations who view them as little more than a dollar sign. And once you've sold, you may think for a while that you're still in charge, and they may let you think that, but when it comes down to it, eventually they'll start cracking the whip...
Caractacus for the win!
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I'd almost be willing to be that if 4th edition tanks, regardless of what Paizo does, Hasbro is going to get as far away from RPGs as possible, as the whole frustrating thing is that there isn't enough of a profit margin in the industry for them.
Honestly, I do not think 4e will tank. I remember how upset people were over 3.5. I just hope to steal a few of those disgruntled gamers.
I'd almost be willing to be that if 4th edition tanks, regardless of what Paizo does, Hasbro is going to get as far away from RPGs as possible, as the whole frustrating thing is that there isn't enough of a profit margin in the industry for them.
Full disclosure: I'm not crazy about 4.0 in the slightest. I may use some of the rules from it, but I doubt I'll go out and buy everything all over again, and I know many people feel the same. I don't think that 4.0 will fail utterly, but I do think that it will be a phyrric victory. Wizards/Hasbro will take some sort of hit due to their shoddy marketing/customer relations/whatever you want to call it- these things have a way of coming back to bite companies in the end.
Really? I heard the same angry cries of 'never again' at 3.5. Anyone want to take a wager on the number of unhappy posts we will see when 4.5 comes out?
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Really? I heard the same angry cries of 'never again' at 3.5. Anyone want to take a wager on the number of unhappy posts we will see when 4.5 comes out?
Yeah, I remember that, I was amused.
I just hope WotC sticks to their guns and don't release a 4.5. When I was talking to them, one of them slipped and said 4.0, and the other guy said, "No, we're never going down that road again."
Right and they also said 4.0 was down the road a bit. I am inclined to believe their will be a 4.5.
Honestly, I do not think 4e will tank. I remember how upset people were over 3.5. I just hope to steal a few of those disgruntled gamers.
Hey thats me! I'm itching to try WoD Forsaken and ShadowRun 4e. Any other suggestions. Has their been a spy/espionage game since "Top Secret"?
Paizo doesn't have to sell.
I would sell if it made me a millionare.
Live in a mansion by the beach, periodically check the message boards on how Hasbro ruined Paizo, put my margarita down, whisper,"What a shame." Have Pablo, fetch my board, then go surf.
Has their been a spy/espionage game since "Top Secret"?
Are you kidding? Spycraft for D20 junkies. James Bond or Ninjas and Superspies for old school. If you do not mind universal systems, G.U.R.P.S. Espionage and Dark Champions.
I forgot to mention True20 and even Mutants and Masterminds. Just check out Agents of Freedom.
Yeah, just doing some house keeping in Other RPGs. Don’t tell the mods.
Yes, but luckily he is too busy beating up bad guys to worry much about thread necromancy. You know…important stuff.
I'd almost be willing to be that if 4th edition tanks, regardless of what Paizo does, Hasbro is going to get as far away from RPGs as possible, as the whole frustrating thing is that there isn't enough of a profit margin in the industry for them.
Or they'll release D&D 5.0 as a CCG with all the monsters cutified and trade out the vast array of weaponry for red & white creature-containment spheres. That cash cow doesn't seem like it'll ever die.
- Chris Shadowens
Or they'll release D&D 5.0 as a Collectable Miniature Game with all the monsters cutified and trade out the vast array of weaponry for red & white creature-containment spheres. That cash cow doesn't seem like it'll ever die.
Corrected your typo there.
Well, either its minis in red/white spheres or a card game where you make up the rules as you play, and can inexplicably draw the exact card to win the game every half-hour.
Well, either its minis in red/white spheres or a card game where you make up the rules as you play, and can inexplicably draw the exact card to win the game every half-hour.
Did some 13 year old spank you again at the local comic and game shop?
There is just way too many other RPGs for me to try and collect D&D4. As expensive as that one is I can get the complete lines of C&C or WEG d6 for the price of the core and preview books. Six months of (estimated cost) DDI would get me the basic set of GURPS4 which at the end of the year I would prefer hardbacks over memories of a computer screen.
4th edition is what prompted me to move to other games. Its hard to explain, but the whole 4th edition event has totally killed my desire to play even 3.5. Really it is a shame, I love Greyhawk so much. Like many of you, I have tons of D&D material, enough to last a life time. How is it that one lets something like 4th edition suck the life out of something I use to enjoy so much. I'd go back and play Top Secret/S.I. but it has been quite awhile since I played and the group I play with have mixed feelings about what games to play or not play. Hopefully down the road that will change for both Top Secret/S.I. and D&D. For now, I will continue to direct my energies into the Legion game I'm working on. As of late, it is the only thing that has gotten me excited!
So tell me, how does WOTC and 4th edition suck the life out of my enjoyment when I would stick with 3.5 anyway? Anyone else feeling this way?
Heh, I've been itching to convert my D&D game to a fantasy Savage Worlds game.
I actually do think my players would like it better, but they are pretty adamant about playing "D&D" (but not all want to switch to 4.0).
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...How is it that one lets something like 4th edition suck the life out of something I use to enjoy so much...So tell me, how does WOTC and 4th edition suck the life out of my enjoyment when I would stick with 3.5 anyway? Anyone else feeling this way?
Because every time you visit these messageboards, there's someone wittering "You will convert to 4th Edition, you know you will, I know better than you what you will do.....Join me...join me....I am your father...look inside...you know it to be true....".
Could that be the reason?
<fans Eileen with a copy of Village of Hommlet>
So tell me, how does WOTC and 4th edition suck the life out of my enjoyment when I would stick with 3.5 anyway? Anyone else feeling this way?
Not really , Eileen. My D&D3.x team is all hard core over their d20 and are not budging. Even for D&D4.
Now, on my 'other' Game Night we play Castles & Crusades. Mostly. This is basically the same group minus three players. So I guess it's really those three guys who are hard-core for d20.
I have high hopes for 4E. And when they hear back about all the typos, gaffs and snags they do a 4.01 and so on. By not evolving the 3.0 or 3.5 in this fashion is why they ran into this mess in the first place. Now have to redesign/reimagin 4Eand have a huge debate about it.
My gripe with WoTC is their marketing department. There has very little communication from them up until recently and that stinks, but Dungeons and Dragons is theirs to lose.
...How is it that one lets something like 4th edition suck the life out of something I use to enjoy so much...So tell me, how does WOTC and 4th edition suck the life out of my enjoyment when I would stick with 3.5 anyway? Anyone else feeling this way?Because every time you visit these messageboards, there's someone wittering "You will convert to 4th Edition, you know you will, I know better than you what you will do.....Join me...join me....I am your father...look inside...you know it to be true....".
Could that be the reason?
<fans Eileen with a copy of Village of Hommlet>
It gets a lot worse at RPG.Net. Over there it's like "You must be stupid if you don't like 4e. How can you not like a game that's not out yet."
How indeed?
Has anyone seen the new edition of Traveler? I am considering a switch to Sci-fi for a while and all my old Traveler stuff is nowhere to be found.
I want to play Gamma World.
I have given the traveller playtest a run. I gotta say, I like it. Alot. I like it so much, if I wasn't already writing material for other companies and games I like more, I'd be hunting down companies that want to publish material for it and have gotten to work on it right already.
I can not tell you how many times I have heard someone refuse to try a new game because (insert current version of D&D here) was all they needed. I can not help myself but gloat over the irony that they will now have to change or feel the pain of playing in the minority.
Evolve or die!
CF you should be happy though, allegedly you can play 4.0 w/o classes
or so I've heard
Paizo doesn't have to sell.Agree. But the amount of money a buyout brings, along with the added promises of job security and creative autonomy, has been enough to put many wonderfully creative small companies, just as good as Paizo, in the hands of corporations who view them as little more than a dollar sign. And once you've sold, you may think for a while that you're still in charge, and they may let you think that, but when it comes down to it, eventually they'll start cracking the whip...
That's exactly what's happening now at WotC. I kind of feel bad for them.
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But the amount of money a buyout brings, along with the added promises of job security and creative autonomy, has been enough to put many wonderfully creative small companies, just as good as Paizo, in the hands of corporations who view them as little more than a dollar sign.
Tell that to Peter Adkison...
4th edition is what prompted me to move to other games. Its hard to explain, but the whole 4th edition event has totally killed my desire to play even 3.5. So tell me, how does WOTC and 4th edition suck the life out of my enjoyment when I would stick with 3.5 anyway? Anyone else feeling this way?
Eileen, I did feel the same way for just a few minutes back toward the end fo 2007. It didn't last long. Look longingly at your library and the good memories generated therefrom and the great games and stories yet to tell with it. It's all still there...waiting.
-DM Jeff
Chuck Norris knows.
He just knows.
Thanks Heathansson. It's always good to know I have you watching my back.
CF you should be happy though, allegedly you can play 4.0 w/o classes
or so I've heard
I just heard. I am very curious now. Wouldn’t it be ironic if I took up the D&D mantle just as everyone else is leaving the party?
Has anyone seen the new edition of Traveler? I am considering a switch to Sci-fi for a while and all my old Traveler stuff is nowhere to be found.
Just the GURPS version.
Since the announcement of 4E, I have stopped buying WoTC products, including M:tG and D&D. Sine then, I bought several new items that have filled my gaming sessions and players with more enjoyment. I bought the 1E PHB, DMG and MM on .pdf here at Paizo.com. Old favorites were re-enjoyed as players strolled down memory lane. I also purchased a delightful game from Firefly Games, "Faery's Tale," that my daughter and her friends (and wife) adore. That game helps me remember what roleplaying was all about when I was wide-eyed at the first magic sword my character found!
...oh, and all of these purchases cost less than $30 combined, or about the MSRP of a typical WOTC D&D resource book!
Since the announcement of 4E, I have stopped buying WoTC products, including M:tG and D&D.
I bought a grand total of 1 WotC book from my FLGS, all the rest have been ebayed. Minis, books, etc, you name it. Thanks 4E converters. Getting me all the 3.5 books I ever wanted at about 25 cents on the dollar (if not less and that includes shipping).
Of course I still buy all my other stuff from Paizo.
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Paizo doesn't have to sell.Agree. But the amount of money a buyout brings, along with the added promises of job security and creative autonomy, has been enough to put many wonderfully creative small companies, just as good as Paizo, in the hands of corporations who view them as little more than a dollar sign. And once you've sold, you may think for a while that you're still in charge, and they may let you think that, but when it comes down to it, eventually they'll start cracking the whip...
lol, ask Gary Gigax how that went.
I'm personally looking forward to 4E.