I'm just getting into the Item Card mania, in part because it seems like a cool idea, and I want to continue to support Paizo even though I may not get into Pathfinder right away.
That having been said, I really don't want to buy boosters of Hero's Hoard or Relics of War, but the sets seem to have some really cool art and items in them.
I've read on the boards that the randomized thing didn't do as well as the full sets, so my question is, is there any chance of seeing these cards again in a full set like the Dragon's Trove set?
I have Hero's Hoard booster sitting in front of me as I type this.
That's one down .... and what? .... five more to go? Hmmmm?
Thanks Mike, that's good news . . . sort of. Here's to hoping the rest of these get picked up soon.
Ooh, I hope this happens. I really like the idea of getting the full set. None of my local stores carry them (despite requests made by a regular customer), so the few I have gotten have been when traveling. I can't really count on that to fill up the remainder (I just love the art, what can I say, it is such a "gotta catch 'em all" for me).
A chance? Yes. There is a chance. I think I heard that we need to sell out of those sets first, though.
Hi Mike,
It's a selfish opinion, but I would rather not see Paizo rerelease Hero's Hoard and Relics of War in a complete set. Assuming it was priced like the other non-random decks (~$.18 per card), I would feel cheated for having spent so much money on the boosters (~$.32 per card), and I imagine a lot of other early adopters would feel the same way. I also suspect it would become difficult to impossible for third party retailers to clear out their stock of boosters or singles if it was announced that a non-random deck was on the way, for similar reasons.
I would rather see Paizo focus on producing new non-random decks with new artwork which won't devalue the cards people already have.
Sincerely,
Derek Poppink
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It's a selfish opinion, but I would rather not see Paizo rerelease Hero's Hoard and Relics of War in a complete set. Assuming it was priced like the other non-random decks (~$.18 per card), I would feel cheated for having spent so much money on the boosters (~$.32 per card), and I imagine a lot of other early adopters would feel the same way. I also suspect it would become difficult to impossible for third party retailers to clear out their stock of boosters or singles if it was announced that a non-random deck was on the way, for similar reasons.
I would rather see Paizo focus on producing new non-random decks with new artwork which won't devalue the cards people already have.
I should point out that at current sale rates, we're something like more than a year from selling out. And also, we're probably not going to put the full sets out. And also... well... let me assure you that you probably have little to nothing to worry about. :)
You can't please everyone all of the time. I'm a collector that likes to acquire sets in toto if possible, so when I hear disclaimers like that, all it means to me is chances are very good I won't be buying cards of those sets, or if I do, it'll be at a snail's pace. It's probably great for Paizo's profit line to release sets in random fashion like that, but for the collector/consumer, it sucks. I'd rather spend more through single card purchases then be nickel'd and dime'd trying to finally gain the last 3 cards of a set while simultaneously gaining ever more duplicates. I thank Magic for that personality twitch.
I've bought into both and would still want a full set. These are things I would not mind having doubles of. Heck when I go to conventions and commission my character rendered, at least one of the cards was used as a reference to what he was wearing. So the DM might want a full set for himself and extras to give out to her players.
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I would rather not see Paizo rerelease Hero's Hoard and Relics of War in a complete set. Assuming it was priced like the other non-random decks (~$.18 per card), I would feel cheated for having spent so much money on the boosters (~$.32 per card), and I imagine a lot of other early adopters would feel the same way...
I would rather see Paizo focus on producing new non-random decks with new artwork which won't devalue the cards people already have.
I agree. I put a lot of work (and bit of money, too) into tracking down those last few cards. If they suddenly show up at $19.99 for the whole bunch, I kinda wasted my time.
Singles of some of the crazy hard ones to find (studded leather, tower shield, warhammer, spiked chain, etc.), now that might be cool.
It's probably great for Paizo's profit line to release sets in random fashion like that,It's actually not that great for us, which is why we stopped doing it after only two sets. :)
Which is good because a lot of people have a bad reaction to random cards and your cards wouldn't be as popular if they were all random. Future sets should be full sets, which is probably more profitable for you anyway.
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Singles-singles-singles, Paizo, please consider selling singles. Probably at a price that would be okay to buy a few, really key cards (like $1 for newer, non-random sets or 50¢ for the older, randomized sets), but would still encourage folks who want a bunch to buy sets.
Lukas - There are LOTS of singles from Hero's and Relics available for trade or sale if you're interested. Check out this thread here at Paizo for trades, and Derek Poppink has a great site for trades and cheap sales.
Looking at my cards tonight, I noticed I have a number cards that I'm unsure of the set they come from. What I'd like to see Paizo do is put identifiers on each set similar to how Magic cards can be easily identified by the small symbol on the cards to make our jobs easier when we use various items from multiple sets.
Looking at my cards tonight, I noticed I have a number cards that I'm unsure of the set they come from. What I'd like to see Paizo do is put identifiers on each set similar to how Magic cards can be easily identified by the small symbol on the cards to make our jobs easier when we use various items from multiple sets.
That's what the little icon on the front bottom left of the card is for.
That's what the little icon on the front bottom left of the card is for.
I had no idea. I didn't even notice that there was an icon there. Thank you and nevermind! :-)
I should point out that at current sale rates, we're something like more than a year from selling out.
Well, I just bought a box of each booster set so that's 2 less boxes from the pile. :)
- Chris Shadowens
As someone who has come recently into this whole thing, I've been wondering what would happen with the foils from the first two sets.
Would ten cards be inserted randomly into the packaged set? Or even semi-randomly...for example if each display contains 10 Decks of Relics of War one deck would have cards 1, 11, 21, 31, etc. as foils; another deck would have cards 2, 12, 22, 32, etc.? The decks would have to be mixed up to provide some mystery as to which pack would have a specific number slot with foils, though.
Would foil cards be abandoned entirely?
Would two boxes be available (one normal and one foil version)?
Sorry, I just think of these things. I will probably start buying cards long before this actually goes into effect--like sometime by the end of the week. I really like the idea of foil cards as a way to provide something a little extra special in the loot.
I should point out that at current sale rates, we're something like more than a year from selling out. And also, we're probably not going to put the full sets out. And also... well... let me assure you that you probably have little to nothing to worry about. :)
There's no incentive for me to get involved with these sets.
You send some mixed messages Mike. You concede that the Random Boosters weren't a good idea, but offer no hope that once you sell your stock, there won't be a collection.
Count me as disagreeing with the two fellows who don't want you to do it. As I understand it, there is no "offical" rare cards, only ones not readily available? I can see their point of view, but I can be just as selfish (as they admit to being) in saying, I won't buy any of these two series until I know they'll one day be available as non-random sets.
And that seems a waste considering the cost of the art. Once your booster packs are gone, you could be moving these things.
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Stay tuned. About this time next week we'll be announcing future plans for the Item Cards line.
*snip*Stay tuned. About this time next week we'll be announcing future plans for the Item Cards line.
You got it!
And hey.. I'll be looking for that Harrow Deck Blog entry tonight! ;)
Stay tuned. About this time next week we'll be announcing future plans for the Item Cards line.
Hey Joshua,
I wanted to give some feedback that was more constructive than razzing poor Mike McArtor, and stepping on those other posters.
Here's the deal:
I've bought a set of Rise of the Rune Lord cards, so I'm familiar with the overall product. They're attractive and useful. I certainly would want to keep them in nice condition, and part of me would want one card of each set.. In that respect, I do see them as kinda collectable.
But, for me, the real reason for spending the money on them would be their utility. That is, to have them as tools to run a game with. (Again, this is not to say that the other posters don't also do that as well.) However, I'm only interested in them as tools. If I can't purchase a whole set, my conscious decision will be to learn to live without them altogether.
I think that is the issue you face with these two series of cards. Collectability versus utility. I can only guess utility is prevailing here.
Ideally, I think a GM needs a set of a couple different series to have a functional supply. Hero's Hoard and Relics of War strike me as very general in application, so they would be ones I'd like to add to the 'toolbox'. But not at the expense and hassle of trying to scrounge them up, even if I could buy specific cards from Paizo or other online trading and selling web sites. That's just not convenient for me when I'm interested in them as GMing tools.
Hopefully this is more constructive feedback when the product line is under review. Thanks for listening.
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Stay tuned. About this time next week we'll be announcing future plans for the Item Cards line.
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so it's "about this time next week" - is the announcment ready for the future plans for the Item Cards line? - did I miss it?or has the ball not yet been dropped?
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You send some mixed messages Mike. You concede that the Random Boosters weren't a good idea, but offer no hope that once you sell your stock, there won't be a collection.
Watcher!, my friend, you've been on the boards long enough now to realize that I never offer hope. In fact, as an editor, it's my JOB to quell hope, to crush dreams, and to grind ambitions into the dirt. It is a heavy crown, that of one who must destroy hope, but it is one I wear so others need not.
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Wait. What were we talking about?
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Soon. :-)
Watcher!, my friend, you've been on the boards long enough now to realize that I never offer hope. In fact, as an editor, it's my JOB to quell hope, to crush dreams, and to grind ambitions into the dirt. It is a heavy crown, that of one who must destroy hope, but it is one I wear so others need not.
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Wait. What were we talking about?
I just can't sweet talk you like another certain poster. ;)
Actually I suspect there was a poignant remark hidden in that paragraph of yours (unless I'm on crack), if so.. I hear ya. But my second post, to Joshua, where I get off of your ass, was actually serious.
Hey, go bug Joshua and tell him his new fans are waiting for him.
(I got a warm fuzzy when you said that- "you've been on the boards long enough now." Oh, and Mike? Check this one out. Read this thread God forbid you're perceived as sidin' with 'the Man.'
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But my second post, to Joshua, where I get off of your ass, was actually serious.
Oh I figured as much. But because I prefer to focus on the silly rather than the serious... well... you get my previous post. ;D
Hey, go bug Joshua and tell him his new fans are waiting for him.
Oscillating or box?
(I got a warm fuzzy when you said that- "you've been on the boards long enough now."
Well, you've been active enough for me to recognize you, so yeah... You're an old hat now.
*has a bad memory for names*
Oh, and Mike? Check this one out. Read this thread God forbid you're perceived as sidin' with 'the Man.'
Oh, yeah. I've seen and avoided that thread. Vic and Erik seem to be handling themselves quite well. I'll wait until the furor dies down a little and then swoop in to inject the thread with humor, non-sequitors, and smurfs. ^_^
*scans*
Here new announcement...C'mere li'l fella. Pinky's got a nice announcement snack for you...
One step left to go before the news. Looks like that news will be next week, though. Sorry, folks. :-/
Same bat-time, same bat-channel, next bat-week.
That's cool. I'll be here.
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One step left to go before the news. Looks like that news will be next week, though. Sorry, folks. :-/Joshua, when you do make that announcement, could you also let us know the status of Item Deck: 1 (not Adventuring Gear 1), it's currently unavailable.
Watcher, in the product discussion thread for Item Pack 1, 4 posts above yours is an answer from Eric about whether or not Item Pack 1 will be reprinted.
Watcher, in the product discussion thread for Item Pack 1, 4 posts above yours is an answer from Eric about whether or not Item Pack 1 will be reprinted.
So he did. Thanks. Consider me smited. :|
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I had no idea that the item cards had gone from random to full sets. I specificially avoided buying any for that reason. That's a pretty significant change. I wish there was a better way of getting information than looking at the page for a product that I've already decided is not for me.
Now I've got to figure out which ones are non-random and think about adding them to my existing orders so that I have enough to really make them a utility item.
*snip*Stay tuned. About this time next week we'll be announcing future plans for the Item Cards line.
One step left to go before the news. Looks like that news will be next week, though. Sorry, folks. :-/
Has the news on the item cards hit the boards/blog yet- couldn't find anything.
Am I missing it somewhere?
We haven't released the next bit of news yet on the item card front. We'd started talking about it and had to sideline the discussion to deal with some other matters. I'd think we'll be able to pick up the discussion again after the Christmas holidays and should have an announcement in early January.
We haven't released the next bit of news yet on the item card front. We'd started talking about it and had to sideline the discussion to deal with some other matters. I'd think we'll be able to pick up the discussion again after the Christmas holidays and should have an announcement in early January.
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Jeff Alvarez! You post on the messageboards now?
Yay! :D
Has the news on the item cards hit the boards/blog yet- couldn't find anything.
Am I missing it somewhere?
The announcement has been delayed until after the new year.
Any announcement yet on the Item Card News??
We've had a small set back with our Item Cards printer and, as such, this news is being indefinitely delayed. I hope to know more by the end of the month and will post once I can spill the beans.
We've had a small set back with our Item Cards printer and, as such, this news is being indefinitely delayed. I hope to know more by the end of the month and will post once I can spill the beans.
Thanks Joshua.
So, does this mean the release of the Adventure Gear 2 Deck (scheduled for release in Feb) will get pushed back?