Wow.. seems like the fanboies and carebears are out in force tonight.I came late to this party, but... why is a person who cannot spell "boy" correctly insulted about the use of the word "penultimate"? Shouldn't one learn to use the small words properly before moving on to the bigger ones?That is the plural spelling of the fanboi.
Plus "penultimate" means next to last. If you check the cover you would see the grievous error. Read the first post about drawing out of the bowl. Then with that follow that up with critical thinking (might be very hard for the likes of you and your posse) and apply that the top of the cover "Ultimate penultimate: 2 issues left"
Would you say you would have another draw from the bowl?
Yes. Penultimate means next to last, meaning that there is one more issue AFTER this one. This issue + one more issue = 2 issues left.
Here, I'll simplify for you. 1+1=2. I am sure you will fight this some more because simple math and english seems SO far from your grasp that I doubt you would know when to shove a foot in your mouth and accept that you are wrong.FH
I guess you are another that couldn't use the technique of critical thinking. Try reading over the example of drawing out of the bowl. Same thinking here. You wouldn't count the one you are holding in your hand would you? Maybe you need not to jump to critical thinking and just try to use thinking and favor that with common sense. Which is funny since they call it common sense and you have proven it is far from common.
Wow.. seems like the fanboies and carebears are out in force tonight.
Oh nooooo!!!! The ultimate insult.....it has been spoken, like a glove thrown down on the dueling field.
The intentional misspelling of boy, it is more than my precious fragile heart can take. Your netsavvy is the ultimate. I know you speak with ultimate authority when the word "boi" is typed. Your netcool factor and obvious virility has caused me to whimper back to my boicave, to ponder your Charles Atlas like netphysique with envy.
Let's rip off our wifebeaters and circle each other like the macho symbols of internet manhood that we are.
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I'm surprised here... I guess you weren't able to critical think about the drawing out of the bowl example. You have both my pity and sorrow.
Second and more importantly, you said its a "great, customer focused, and talented organization" but has 7% of the Dragon Mag (Issue #358) filled with self-publicity. I wouldn't call that customer focused.
"Critical think about" ?
Anyway . . . if 7% is self-publicity, then . . . 93% is content, according to your math?
Yeah, you're right. What bastards. They don't care about their customers at all.
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Wow.. seems like the fanboies and carebears are out in force tonight.Not really, we just tend to try to kill the trolls so these boards don't look like WOTC boards. We don't need a bunch of failed debate-club losers mucking up the boards with ignorant language.
Meanwhile, if you had any experience with Paizo's customer service, you would see that Paizo is one of the few remaining companies that takes great care in helping any customers that need assistance. They will bend over backwards to ensure that they do right by there customers.
Fanboys? Nope, just people who won't sit by and watch some moron trash talk a great, customer focused, and talented organization.You were wrong in your initial assertation of the cover's language, many people pointed it out, and more provided facts. Keep posting, it only proves how little knowledge you actually harbor in that hat-rack of yours.
FH
I'm surprised here... I guess you weren't able to critical think about the drawing out of the bowl example. You have both my pity and sorrow.
Second and more importantly, you said its a "great, customer focused, and talented organization" but has 7% of the Dragon Mag (Issue #358) filled with self-publicity. I wouldn't call that customer focused.
Who the *bleep* cares what ads there are in the magazine so long as they make sense (gaming magazine-gaming ads). If there were ads for top end fashions on the twelve pages before the table of contents I could see moaning about the ads but really, now your being ridiculous.
But what the hell is a boi?That is the plural spelling of the fanboi.
So you just never venture out on the internet?
This will help you
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
So you got the meaning of Carebear or do you think I was talking about Sunshine, Friendship, and the rest of them?
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So you got the meaning of Carebear or do you think I was talking about Sunshine, Friendship, and the rest of them?
Uhh...that's what I thought.
I always liked Grumpy Bear. Good Luck Bear was pretty cool, too, and I liked the Care Bear Cousins, especially Playful Heart Monkey.
"Care Bear Stare!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Try reading over the example of drawing out of the bowl. Same thinking here. You wouldn't count the one you are holding in your hand would you? Maybe you need not to jump to critical thinking and just try to use thinking and favor that with common sense. Which is funny since they call it common sense and you have proven it is far from common.
Oh man, can it with the bowl! There's no bowl, there's no balls!
BUT, if you really want a bowl analogy, fine.
You have a bowl with 359 balls (or magazines if you prefer). You drop the first 357 balls (or magazines) onto the floor, and pick up the penultimate (next to last, aka second to last) ball/magazine, preparing to drop it onto the floor, perhaps pausing to peruse it for percieved defects before doing so.
At this point, how many balls (or magazines) do you have left NOT ON THE FLOOR?
Think critically my friend.
This is too much fun to stay out of.
If I had a sign saying "Only Two Draws Left!" next to a bowl of balls, you would normally read the sign prior to drawing. Thus your next two draws would be your last.
See the definition of "pentultimate" as stated above and James' previous comments for how magazine covers and ad copy function.
Now, if you didn't read the sign next to the bowl of balls until after your first draw - or didn't read the cover before opening the magazine - well that's not the editor's fault, that's you not understanding how the process works.
By the way, I looked up "fanboi" on Webster.com and couldn't find it. Maybe I should "of" taken you at your literate word for it.
This reminds me of that Far Side comic where this kid keeps pushing on the "Pull" door to get into the school for the gifted.
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I'm surprised here... I guess you weren't able to critical think about the drawing out of the bowl example. You have both my pity and sorrow.
Critically.
The ball analogy is misleading due to the fact that you don't read a ball(well, maybe you do). If I picked up a book, magazine, or other PRINTED item, and it read on the cover "2 issues left" that would tell me that there is this NEW issue and one more issue, to follow, left, as I haven't yet read the issue I am holding and it is, in fact, a new issue. Critical thinking? Yours is in critical condition due to cronic stupidity.FH
I'm surprised here... I guess you weren't able to critical think about the drawing out of the bowl example. You have both my pity and sorrow.
Second and more importantly, you said its a "great, customer focused, and talented organization" but has 7% of the Dragon Mag (Issue #358) filled with self-publicity. I wouldn't call that customer focused.
"Critical think about" ?
Anyway . . . if 7% is self-publicity, then . . . 93% is content, according to your math?
Yeah, you're right. What bastards. They don't care about their customers at all.
Thats just the percentage that is self-publicity there is more advertisement.
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But what the hell is a boi?That is the plural spelling of the fanboi.
So you just never venture out on the internet?
This will help you
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
So you got the meaning of Carebear or do you think I was talking about Sunshine, Friendship, and the rest of them?
Heh, you're so cool, you can use cool words from the internet. And look them up on urbandictionary.com! Wow! Can I become a fanboi of you?
And please, enlighten me on the meaning of Carebear too, you've been so edumacational so far, can't wait to see what you can teach us next!
Wow, this is funny. A "l33t" speaker trying to make an arguement about semantics...
Y'know, as in He was a sk8er boi - it is the way the hip and cool express themselves. I assume.
Thank God I have a 14 year old daughter, otherwise I'd be so friggin' lost with all this lingo stuff.
And please, enlighten me on the meaning of Carebear too, you've been so edumacational so far, can't wait to see what you can teach us next!
Wikipedia has come to our salvation. In the article otherwise dedicated to the furry, smiling ursines we all know and love I found this...
"The term carebear is used to describe players of MMORPG's who never fight other players; only the computer controlled enemies."
And, of course, everything on Wikipedia is true. So there yo go.
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Wikipedia has come to our salvation. In the article otherwise dedicated to the furry, smiling ursines we all know and love I found this...
"The term carebear is used to describe players of MMORPG's who never fight other players; only the computer controlled enemies."
And, of course, everything on Wikipedia is true. So there yo go.
There you go! Thanks Wikipedia. Now, what's a MMORPG... ? ;-)
OK, if that is the meaning, that's a bad thing how? Ah, maybe I'm just not cool enough to understand.
Ah, maybe I'm just not cool enough to understand.
It's okay, you're among friends.
Try reading over the example of drawing out of the bowl. Same thinking here. You wouldn't count the one you are holding in your hand would you? Maybe you need not to jump to critical thinking and just try to use thinking and favor that with common sense. Which is funny since they call it common sense and you have proven it is far from common.Oh man, can it with the bowl! There's no bowl, there's no balls!
BUT, if you really want a bowl analogy, fine.
You have a bowl with 359 balls (or magazines if you prefer). You drop the first 357 balls (or magazines) onto the floor, and pick up the penultimate (next to last, aka second to last) ball/magazine, preparing to drop it onto the floor, perhaps pausing to peruse it for percieved defects before doing so.
At this point, how many balls (or magazines) do you have left NOT ON THE FLOOR?
Think critically my friend.
2 depending on how long I am perusing.
There you go! Thanks Wikipedia. Now, what's a MMORPG... ? ;-)
OK, if that is the meaning, that's a bad thing how? Ah, maybe I'm just not cool enough to understand.
I think a MMORPG is some type of mutant orc/pig hybrid. Not quite a lycanthrope, but you get the picture.
And I'm not sure why it'd be a bad thing to be a carebear--is someone supporting fighting real people instead of computer generated opponents?
I'm surprised here... I guess you weren't able to critical think about the drawing out of the bowl example. You have both my pity and sorrow.
Critically.
The ball analogy is misleading due to the fact that you don't read a ball(well, maybe you do). If I picked up a book, magazine, or other PRINTED item, and it read on the cover "2 issues left" that would tell me that there is this NEW issue and one more issue, to follow, left, as I haven't yet read the issue I am holding and it is, in fact, a new issue. Critical thinking? Yours is in critical condition due to cronic stupidity.FH
Wouldn't it be best to have said 1 Issue Left!!!
And then at #359 you would have Last Issue...
So with you guys thinking the last issue will have on the cover. "1 Issue Left"
You've made your point. No need to keep trying.
As for everyone else, don't make me kill this thread. Everyone play nice. These threads might be commonplace elsewhere on the ginormous interwebs, but not here.
Is that a win for the "Carebears" then?
Dude, the Care Bears always win. Didn't you watch the cartoon? I mean, in The Care Bears' Big Wish Movie their whole world was getting all icky and polluted and they still brought it back around in the end.
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Wouldn't it be best to have said 1 Issue Left!!!
And then at #359 you would have Last Issue...
So with you guys thinking the last issue will have on the cover. "1 Issue Left"
To avoid confusion I think it would have to have read : "One Issue left AFTER THIS ONE" (or penultimate...) "One Issue Left" would be confusing as to whether that was the last issue or the second to last.
359 can still say "Last Issue" by either your or our logic.
You've made your point. No need to keep trying.
As for everyone else, don't make me kill this thread. Everyone play nice. These threads might be commonplace elsewhere on the ginormous interwebs, but not here.
More proof that I love you Dr. Frost! You have great power and you use it for good. This thread made my brain go mush-a-moo.
This thread made my brain go mush-a-moo.
Is that some sort of Hawaiian delicacy ;) ?
OK, I'll admit. Never knew what Penultimate meant until this fine thread.
Let me say this:
"Perhaps because of its position as the penultimate installment of a seven-book series, 'The Half-Blood Prince' suffers, at moments, from an excess of exposition."
And finally:
A colon may also be used for the following:
Introduction of a definition
A: the first letter in the Latin alphabet
Hypernym of a word: a word having a wider meaning than the given one; e.g., vehicle is a hypernym of car
Penultimate, as everyone agrees, is the second to last. However you are forgetting the colon (":"), which leads to a description of the preceding statement.
Therefore, Mr. Jacobs (and the rest of the Paizo staff) is correct in the headline.
EDIT: BTW, I hate the Urban Dictionary. "My Bad", "Fanboy", "Carebear", and "Uber" are just rediculous and are lazy ways of speaking your mind when attempting to be cool (IMHO).
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I guess you are another that couldn't use the technique of critical thinking. Try reading over the example of drawing out of the bowl. Same thinking here. You wouldn't count the one you are holding in your hand would you? Maybe you need not to jump to critical thinking and just try to use thinking and favor that with common sense. Which is funny since they call it common sense and you have proven it is far from common.
Dude are you mentally deficient?
Using your bowl theory:If you look into the bowl BEFORE drawing them out you have 2 balls left. Only after you take one out are you left with one.
This is EXACTLY what James said to you in his original post (way back 6 and one quarter hours ago). It is advertising the fact that there are 2 issues to go, as you haven't actually picked up this issue yet, you are just reading the cover at this point. The cover is telling you that there are 2 issues to go. OK I'll admit once you actually buy the magazine this becomes a little fuzzy, but it has been stated by numerous PAIZO Employees that it's sole purpose is as an advertising machanism prior to purchase.
If you cannot get this through your obviously slightly thickened cranium then I am afraid that maybe you should instead be subscribing to the "Cat in the Hat" series.
Man, PAIZO bend over backwards in the customer service department. For you to be critiquing them over such a trivial issue just goes to show how much of a life you don't have.
You've made your point. No need to keep trying.
As for everyone else, don't make me kill this thread. Everyone play nice. These threads might be commonplace elsewhere on the ginormous interwebs, but not here.
Thank you for seeing the point. I would conclude that I am finished with topic at hand.
Awesome :) So much fun at work!
Anyhow, if you still haven't been able to understand the explanation after flash_cxxi's post, I guess you'll never get it (or you simply do not want to get it).
PS: I'm not a native speaker, so feel free to point out any mistakes in my post (but of course only if you back them up with Webster/UrbanDictionary quotes).
I can't believe all the drama I missed when I was sleeping. Wow.
I'd just like to observe that even if the cover is arguably confusing, accusing Paizo of intentionally misleading people seems a bit over the top and Troll-like to me.
And this is probably not the time or place to attack Paizo without a good reason. They probably have more goodwill now than ever before, and rightly so. They've done a great job with Dungeon and Dragon, their new Gamemastery products are unparalleled and Pathfinder looks extremely promising. Oh, and they happen to care a great deal about customer service. If I am a fanboy, it is only because they have earned the respect. And I suspect others feel the same way.
And Erik is my hero for his earlier post. :-)
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OOOOOOOHHHHH! can i chime in with a bowl example:
It is halloween, and somebody is dressed as a less then fully sentient troll, mostly because the costume is cheap
wandering through a trailer park, they find a house with a big bowl of candy on the step, and a sign that says take two.
well the slathering troll beaties of less then boulder-like intelligence could assume that after picking up one piece of candy, to see what it is, that they are still entitled to pick up two more, becuase the sign says so...
of course, the troll scented simian shaped vegetable carving might just take another piece, to see if it is different, but then realize they still haven't taken "two" so they are rntitled to more...
this process could continue until the bowl is empty, and the fore brain defficient trick-or-treater would become irrate, because they never did get two pieces, so they proceed to egg the house...
the whole thing reminds me of those little cups they have by the register with the pennies in them... ever realize you could get stuck in an infinite loop...
have a penny, leave a penny - need a penny, take a penny
well if i need a penny, i could take one, but then i would have one, and according to the instructions, i am suppose to leave it, so i do, but then i need one, and on and on and on...
Major flashbacks to Takasi here :P
Regards all.
I find it outrageous.
Outside of Dungeons occasionaly troublesome mapping, I find the magazine easy to read and generally error free. Magazines (and newspapers) make errors all the time; considering the type of work Paizo is in the business of, I'm surprised I don't see more errors.
You want an example of poor editing? Look no further than the Star Wars Saga edition hardback.
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I find it outrageous.Outside of Dungeons occasionaly troublesome mapping, I find the magazine easy to read and generally error free. Magazines (and newspapers) make errors all the time; considering the type of work Paizo is in the business of, I'm surprised I don't see more errors.
You want an example of poor editing? Look no further than the Star Wars Saga edition hardback.
Or the IU student newspaper. I once counted 67 errors in 8 pages... My favorites being articles that stop in mid sentence, or mid paragraph for that matter.
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It could have been worded better. That being said, it doesnt (does NOT) warrant complaint. A wise phrase comes to mind; "pick your battles and be sure they're worthy of your efforts." This one is not.
BTW, keep up the good work PAIZO, I love you guys-and so does my wallet, apparently. (;
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