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Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion

Silver Crusade

I am planning to run the new AP. I had my characters make up characters in Grayhawk as worshippers of ST. Cuthbert. They have been sent on an expedition across the ocean to spread their religion. The boat will hit a massive storm and they will wash up on the shore at Sandpoint. I thought it might be a good idea of slowly bringing in the "new world". Is this a good idea? Any advise would be helpful.

Also is there going to be a character sheet for the new AP.

Will Gamemastery release treasure cards for the AP's in the future?

Lantern Lodge

Sounds like a good way to introduce a new setting to the players, while giving them a goal to bring into that setting.

An interesting twist might be if prayers (and therefore spells) to St Cuthbert aren't answered in foreign lands. How do the players react?

1) Set up a shrine to St Cuthbert attempting to spread this new faith among the local people in the hope that once a critical mass of followers is gained, that St Cuthbert will once again answer prayers and provide spells;

2) Finding a compatible Varisian faith, and promoting St Cuthbert as an aspect of that faith;

3) Finding a compatible Varisian faith, and following that faith instead, having abandoned St Cuthbert as lost.

I could see these providing plenty of roleplaying oppotunity, perhaps side adventures or quests, and much discussion and conflict of opinions between the players as they decide which approach to take.

Dark Archive Contributor

brent norton wrote:
Also is there going to be a character sheet for the new AP.

Not likely. Designing character sheets is something no designer truly enjoys (unless he's a mad Irishman maybe). We've brought it up numerous times and it's been shot down by our designers numerous times.

brent norton wrote:
Will Gamemastery release treasure cards for the AP's in the future?

I'm not at liberty to say...

Liberty's Edge

That's a cool idea. I was just looking at a Nat'l Geographic about the Roanoke Colony a few ago, and that's what that kinda reminds me of.

Liberty's Edge

Mike McArtor wrote:
brent norton wrote:
Will Gamemastery release treasure cards for the AP's in the future?
I'm not at liberty to say...

Isn't that the same thing as saying yes?

Sczarni

Keno wrote:
Mike McArtor wrote:
brent norton wrote:
Will Gamemastery release treasure cards for the AP's in the future?
I'm not at liberty to say...
Isn't that the same thing as saying yes?

I believe that one of the blog entries says that future sets will feature cad from pathfinder and the game mastery modules (I Could be wrong though)

Grand Lodge

Your starting point is good as long as your PCs know going in that this is a RotRL campaign. If they don't know that their PCs are going to be railroaded in the first session and end up far from GH there could be problems; once you let them know there won't be any problems at all.

-W. E. Ray

Dark Archive Contributor

Keno wrote:
Mike McArtor wrote:
brent norton wrote:
Will Gamemastery release treasure cards for the AP's in the future?
I'm not at liberty to say...
Isn't that the same thing as saying yes?

Mmmmmaaaayyyyybbbeeeeee...

:D


But couldn't it also be the same thing as saying no?

oh, wait, I've got this one for you Mike . . .

Mike McArtor wrote:

Mmmmmaaaayyyyybbbeeeeee...

:D

I mean, we can't have the ambiguity be lost can we?

Dark Archive Contributor

William Pall wrote:
I mean, we can't have the ambiguity be lost can we?

Most likely probably not, but I can't really agree or disagree...

;)

Sczarni

Mike McArtor wrote:


Most likely probably not, but I can't really agree or disagree...

"I can Neither Confirm nor Deny..... "

Liberty's Edge

It's like Sony's President making that truly idiotic statement this morning:

"We (refering to Sony Corporation) have no plans to lower the price of the PS3."

And then immediately following that up with:

"The pricing of the PS3 is decided solely by the Entertainment Division (meaning SCEI/E/A)."

He wouldn't have looked any more stupid if he'd just said, "I dunno."

The Exchange

I bet that someone on these boards can whip up a Pathfinder Character Sheet. There are several on Lilith's board for the Savage Tide, and a few others there too. DMTOOLS CHARACTER SHEETS
The call goes out to the mighty heroes....Ropeman(Daigle), Diaperman(Archade),.............and Coo-cooo(Lilith)!

;P
FH

Liberty's Edge

I've been in the middle of creating a character sheet, myself. My god, I gotta say that creating a character sheet (and mecha sheet) for Mekton was tons easier than creating a character sheet for D&D. Oi!

Grand Lodge

Actually myself and Gizards.com are working together to get an official character sheet for Paizo's Pathfinder campaign. Now we are not being hired, nor are we contracted by Paizo, so by all means if you can create a better sheet then us (not a hard thing to do) go for it. We're doing this just to help Paizo.

Silver Crusade

Molech wrote:

Your starting point is good as long as your PCs know going in that this is a RotRL campaign. If they don't know that their PCs are going to be railroaded in the first session and end up far from GH there could be problems; once you let them know there won't be any problems at all.

YEP, I told them and they loved the idea. Now do I have them land like conquers or have them wake-up with kid poking them with a stick?

Liberty's Edge

brent norton wrote:
Molech wrote:

Your starting point is good as long as your PCs know going in that this is a RotRL campaign. If they don't know that their PCs are going to be railroaded in the first session and end up far from GH there could be problems; once you let them know there won't be any problems at all.

YEP, I told them and they loved the idea. Now do I have them land like conquers or have them wake-up with kid poking them with a stick?

Definitely being poked with a stick. :D


Maybe I should mess around with my PHP CSS sheet...

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

This raises the question: will the focus of the campaign be finding a way home, or making do in the strange land they've come to?


brent norton wrote:

I am planning to run the new AP. I had my characters make up characters in Grayhawk as worshippers of ST. Cuthbert. They have been sent on an expedition across the ocean to spread their religion. The boat will hit a massive storm and they will wash up on the shore at Sandpoint. I thought it might be a good idea of slowly bringing in the "new world". Is this a good idea? Any advise would be helpful.

Also is there going to be a character sheet for the new AP.

Will Gamemastery release treasure cards for the AP's in the future?

Also remember that the Pathfinder guys are going to focus on the other continents of Golarion at some point. It will be for a different AP of course, but if you use the same tactics twice it might get old.

Also, is there any reason that you just don't set it in Golarion to begin with? The nature of the AP will allow the DM and players to start small. And if the problem is that they wouldn't go for the new campaign world duping them like this might make them annoyed (though I don't know your players).

Thirdly. If you run Greyhawk characters then what happens to the greyhawk gods? Can the players continue to worship St. Cuthbert or do they have to worship some other god? Remember that St. Cuthbert isn't a part of Golarion unless you put him in it. There are no St. Cuthbert churches or clerics in Golarion/Varisia. Also remember that if they come from a completely different continent there should be some difference between the two areas. Otherwise, they may not see any difference.

Silver Crusade

I far as I know, they could set it up as a Missionary trip. I'll let them learn the world through their characters. I will let ST. Cuthbert answer their prayers. I think of it more as a Roman going to Egypt. They would want to go through the adventure as a way of showing the power of their God and his works.

Silver Crusade

Alright, I have my first adventure written up. They will start in the middle of a storm that will break the ship in two. They will was up on shore at Sandpoint 3 months before the first RotR starts. What will the basic reaction of the local constable and mayor's response be? Will any of the churches try to stop them if they try to build a small church of their own?

Grand Lodge

Well I would think that they might argue over a new church being built. Seeing as 1: they just got done building their new church at the beginning of the first adventure. 2: it is a god they do not know of or believe in. Would be like building a budhist church in England back during the crusade times.

However could lead to some interesting role-playing situations. Just recommend you keep a tight reign on things, as you don't want NPC reactions to become to hostile so that the adventure path doesn't become fun.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

Well, maybe they could earn some cred for St. Cuthbert by taking on whatever challenge this new AP presents. When others see the might of Cuthbert displayed by these strangers, who could resist a little conversion?

Silver Crusade

I am really waiting for the St.Cuthbert core beliefs for the dogma and the player's guide for RotR. I need to know things like town and local history.
I think the players know it will be a challenge. Running the game like this will give great role-playing, so they will want to talk to the major and minor NPC's. How many time does the great writer's at Paizo come up with this great town with store owner's and commners. Only to watch characters never want to look around. "My character grew up here, so I know so and so".
Wait till the characters meet another elf with longer ears. Or just the ability to talk to the people. Who knows they may laugh at the first "goblin" they see.


I don't think I would bring Greyhawk characters over and start them in this new world. What's the point? It won't feel like an exotic destination because the world will more or less have the same feel as a typical western style fantasy world, and if they are starting at first level anyhow why not make them be from Sandpoint so that they can feel attached to the place when it gets attacked. To me it seems like it would be similar to having explorers sail from Europe all the way across the ocean and find a place that is basically like another Europe.

If the concern is that it will be hard to make characters because they don't have many details or context related to the world I wouldn't worry too much. There is a players guide that will be available as a PDF download, and I think it will give the players what they need to make characters that will fit the setting.

Do what you want, but if it were me I'd just have the characters be from the Sandpoint area. Besides if you have ever run an AP before you know how nasty they can be, don't expect your nice little 1st level Greyhawk PCs to have a long life expectancy.


I would only do this if you let the player know in advance what is going to happen, I've played in campaigns that began in similar fashion, and I really did not care for it. If they build characters thinking they are going to play in a Greyhawk campaign and then "bang" the first night they are no longer in a Greyhawk campaign things are off to a bad start.

I think the players guide makes it real easy to start a group right in the new setting.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

Hey, guys? Brett already told 'em that it's not Greyhawk.

Anyways, thought: anyone seen the world map of Greyhawk? I mean the ENTIRE worldmap. That's right; the known parts of the world are TINY. Not even a tenth of the world.

Therefore... I'm not saying that anyone should do this (considering that this is kindof a new campaign setting), but, potentially, you COULD have this AP in the "Greyhawk" world, but in a completely seperate part of it. Kinda like Maztica and Faerun, yanno?

Silver Crusade

Ok, I ran my intro game the other night. Everyone had a good time and no one died. I started them out on a ship in a hurricane and had storm tear the boat in half. It was a blast.
I had stern of the ship landed on the beach just south of the Old Light. I thought this could give them a shelter for the adventure.
Three of the characters were thrown from the long boat by a wave as they landed the beach. Those three will land facefirst in the sand.

My wife who has never played before wants to play. So, we set down and made a elven ranger. I am thinking of using her as a liason between the people of Sandpoint and the part of Cuthbertines.

Silver Crusade

Sect wrote:

Hey, guys? Brett already told 'em that it's not Greyhawk.

Anyways, thought: anyone seen the world map of Greyhawk? I mean the ENTIRE worldmap. That's right; the known parts of the world are TINY. Not even a tenth of the world.

Therefore... I'm not saying that anyone should do this (considering that this is kindof a new campaign setting), but, potentially, you COULD have this AP in the "Greyhawk" world, but in a completely seperate part of it. Kinda like Maztica and Faerun, yanno?

Thanks for the love Sect. I know a lot of people don't think this is a good idea. I thought it would be different and fun for the players as well.

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