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Assuming you can do Tome of Horrors, is there any chance you could also get Book of Fiends back into print? I've been trying like mad to find this book in print and it sells around $120 on the low end to $300 on the high end at out of print book stores. I never thought to pick it up until Pathfinder began using creatures from these sources. Now I want both Tome of Horrors and Book of Fiends for my personal collection. So if you can do it, please reprint both Tome of Horrors and Book of Fiends. I would gladly buy both.Gaahh!
A few months ago I had two BoFs. One from Green Ronin Shop and one from the Paizo sell.
I had to sell the second book for 15 EUR because noboy wanted it!Anyway, have you had a look at the Green Ronin webpage? They might have a few books left.
Yeah I did, and they are sold out. They have the pdf available, but I really want a print copy. I am just having a really hard time justifying paying anywhere from 4-7 times cover price. I really want the book, but dropping $150 on a supplement that was priced at $40 originally is just not something I am likely to do. If I could find it for even $60-$80 I would strongly consider it just because it is hard to find. Get above $100 though and my wallet screams uncle. To pull off a purchase like that I would have to give most of my subscriptions for at least a month. Having 3 young kids and being a Grad Student makes my gaming budget a very fixed thing. I had to give up virtually all other entertainment to be able to get all the Pathfinder subscriptions. I still have enough money for the occasional DVD, but any more and I am cutting into money for my kids (whether clothes, toys, or just doing stuff with them).
Anyhow, I have emailed Green Ronin to ask if they would bring it back into print. So far no luck. I have mentioned to my wife this item as a potential Christmas gift, but even then I get nauseated thinking about $120 on a black and white 224 page hardcover that was available for $40 as recently as a year ago. I mean the book just came out in 2004 and it is already out of print? I will keep scouring for it, but it would be heck of a lot easier if they would just reprint it.
Brent,
There's a few copies for sale through Amazon in the $80 price range.
Brent-
Chris Pramas made the comment on EN World that they may do some stuff for Pathfinder. So maybe the Book of Fiends could see a reprint as a Pathfinder product. And since some guy named Erik Mona helped write the thing, it seems a natural fit.
I'll keep a lookout for you in my area and if I see a copy, I'll let you know.
Chris Pramas made the comment on EN World that they may do some stuff for Pathfinder. So maybe the Book of Fiends could see a reprint as a Pathfinder product. And since some guy named Erik Mona helped write the thing, it seems a natural fit.
O.o
That would be awesome. :D
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Chris Pramas made the comment on EN World that they may do some stuff for Pathfinder. So maybe the Book of Fiends could see a reprint as a Pathfinder product. And since some guy named Erik Mona helped write the thing, it seems a natural fit.
I'll keep a lookout for you in my area and if I see a copy, I'll let you know.
Thats good to hear. I appreciate that. Hopefully they will reprint it and I can just get it that way. I will keep an eye out for it and if I find a price I am comfortable with I won't hesitate to get it. In the mean time thanks for the feedback everyone!!!
I'd like to see a ToH 3.5 myself. I onyl ever glanced at it once in a bookstore, and it looked great. Like a dummy I didn't get it.
But the Book of Fiends -- what was that like?
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I'd like to see a ToH 3.5 myself. I onyl ever glanced at it once in a bookstore, and it looked great. Like a dummy I didn't get it.
But the Book of Fiends -- what was that like?
I'll address three topics in this posting:
1) Info on Book of Fiends2) Info on print versions of ToH Revisited (3.5e)
3) Info on Paizo's upcoming monster book and implications for a re-print of ToH I by Paizo
1) Info on Book of Fiends
Book of Fiends (BoF) is roughly comparable to the two Fiendish Codex books by WotC. Originally Green Ronin published two separate books on demons and devils for 3e rules. Then they updated the rules to 3.5, combined the two books, and added a third chapter on daemons. So in contrast to fiendish codex you receive the full treatment of evil outsider critters (c, n, and l).
BoF contains descriptions of the outsider home planes, of the rulers of these planes, and of course many new demons, daemons, and devils. The book is heavily relying on old edition lore. Some of that was turned obsolete by WotC's Fiendish Codex books, but in my experience you can make both turns on the subject work with each other quite nicely.
Another benefit for Paizo fans is that a certain Erik Mona wrote part of the Book of Fiends.
Concerning availability of the book: If the print version costs grow too extreme, there is still one alternative. The book is b/w only, so purchasing the pdf version and going to a print shop seems the best advice. I did the same with ToH I 3.5e and am really content with the result (as an added benefit you get the electronic and the print version for the price of a print version).
Which leads back to the thread topic:
2) Info on print versions of ToH Revisited (3.5e)
Eric, you certainly did NOT see the 3.5 version of ToH I in a shop. ToH I only saw print as a 3e version. The updated 3.5e version called "Tome of Horror Revisited" was published as pdf only:
Since the v3.5 Revised edition of the D&D rules came out I have been struggling with the decision of whether or not to revise the Tome of Horrors. It has been a difficult decision. The quality of the book wasn’t what made the decision diffi cult. Tome of Horrors has always been universally regarded as a great book. It has been critically acclaimed by reviewers. Other d20 publishers love it because it is essentially 100% Open Game Content, meaning they can use the monsters from the Tome of Horrors in their products. I have also always personally felt that Tome is one of the few d20 books that truly is a mandatory addition to any DM’s bookshelf.
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The problem was the book itself.
The book was just too big to reprint without cutting content or substantially raising the price, or both. There was no way we were going to cut down on the number of monsters. If people buy a revised
version of a book, I think they rightfully expect all the monsters from the original to be revised. And it just didn’t seem right to charge a higher price for a revision than for the original book. So because we
refused to cut the size of the book and because we refused to raise the price of the book, there was no book. And that is where I thought the decision would end. But luckily it didn’t.
That’s where DriveThruRPG.com came in…
I think we have found the right format and the right method of getting the revision to the fans. Scott Greene, our monster guru, has been working since the revisions came out to update the Tome monsters.
And once the stars aligned and we hit on the PDF solution, we gave the green light to our main man Mike Chaney to do a totally new layout of the book designed for maximum usefulness as a PDF. Monsters were laid out as much as possible with a “1 page to a monster” design, something that is nearly impossible in a print product. New art was incorporated. Errata was included. All to bring the classic monsters found in the Tome of Horrors up to date with the current edition of the rules.
So thanks to the persistence of the fans, and thanks to DriveThruRPG.com, it is now my great pleasure to present to you the Tome of Horrors Revised — a case of revised hollow point, explosive shells.
I hope you enjoy firing off these bad boys as much as I do.
--Clark Peterson
Necromancer Games
As mentioned above the print out of my pdf looks very nice. I'd recommend a good laser printer or a print shop, though.
Regarding the chances of seing a reprint respectively a first print of ToH 3.5:
3) Info on Paizo's upcoming monster book and implications for a re-print of ToH I by Paizo
In this thread and here Erik Mona and Sean K. Reynolds of Paizo's stated the following things:
- There will be a monster book companion to the new PFRPG rules.
- It will contain most of the MM I critters, dispensing only with some of the more exotic ones.
- It will also contain some of the most popular OGL monsters in use (namely from Tome of Horrors!):
It's looking like the core rulebook will be about 600 pages. (A)s a practical matter of costs, the monster book cannot be this long. We want to illustrate every monster in the book, which means each monster will have an art price tag of about $150.We also want to use a format that gives every monster at least one page, with more complex monsters like dragons getting a spread. The art costs for a 600 page book built like this would be astronomical, and would force us to set a pricepoint about $50.
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Basically, the monster book will contain a nice, solid mix of open creatures from the Monster Manual and Tome of Horrors to create a new core creature list. This will look a lot like the current "core" but with a few of the third edition newbies swapped out for monsters with a nicer first edition vintage.
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We don't have a final page count yet, but I'm guessing it'll be between 256 and 350 pages.
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Building a book like this is sort of like a puzzle, and there are going to be some pieces left over.Which is fine, because at this rate I can see us doing at least one monster book a year.
If you combine this information:
The good: The book is supposed to combine the best of MM and 1e feel monsters heavily relying on ToH 1 for the latter.The bad: The self imposed page number restriction and the main focus on a "best of MM" will mean that ToH monsters will be only icing on the cake. They'll certainly make more appearances in forthcoming monster volumes of Paizo's... which lowers chances of a one volume reprint of ToH I even more, though.
A tip: If you like to participate in the message board discussion on which monsters should be included in the new Paizo monster book, have a look into this thread.
EDIT: In that very same thread
The Tome of Horrors has a HUGE amount of classic monsters that NEED to be in the core book. The daemons are one example, there are plenty of others. How this works with Clark's idea for a "Pathfinder Tome of Horrors" is something we'll need to discuss with him, of course, but we can't wait for the revised GSL to come out to find out if indeed we CAN do something like this, given Clark's desire to produce 4th edition content. So in the meantime, we'll absolutely be cherry-picking monsters from the ToH for inclusion in the Pathfinder RPG monster book.
So there is still some chance of an updated ToH...
Cheers,
Günther
Thank you very much, sir. That was quite helpful.
I could've sworn I saw some version of the ToH, though; did they use wolfweres (and other critters, like foxweres) in the book? Those I'm sure I remember seeing.
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Thank you very much, sir. That was quite helpful.
I could've sworn I saw some version of the ToH, though; did they use wolfweres (and other critters, like foxweres) in the book? Those I'm sure I remember seeing.
... as Dark_Mistress wrote: There never was a revised print version of ToH, so it has to be the 3.0e version.
Cheers,
Günther
I have and use the 3.0 version. So worth it
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Forgive my ignorance: how available is the 3.5 pdf?
chris, here you go: tome of horrors revised
and it is only $10 now!
//beating dead horse//
Ok, this is an old post and it seems like Necro has decided to put a few monsters occasionally into Pathfinder products instead of a print version of this, but I STILL support the idea of resurrecting a print copy of this product. I did buy the Revised PDF at it's full price when it came out AND I did print it out, but it's cumbersome and fragile. CopyMax charges about $100 or more for a well-bound version sadly.
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//beating dead horse//
Ok, this is an old post and it seems like Necro has decided to put a few monsters occasionally into Pathfinder products instead of a print version of this, but I STILL support the idea of resurrecting a print copy of this product. I did buy the Revised PDF at it's full price when it came out AND I did print it out, but it's cumbersome and fragile. CopyMax charges about $100 or more for a well-bound version sadly.
Scroll down Here to the necromancer entry.
You may jump for joy as an option.
//beating dead horse//
Ok, this is an old post and it seems like Necro has decided to put a few monsters occasionally into Pathfinder products instead of a print version of this, but I STILL support the idea of resurrecting a print copy of this product. I did buy the Revised PDF at it's full price when it came out AND I did print it out, but it's cumbersome and fragile. CopyMax charges about $100 or more for a well-bound version sadly.
Enough already.
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//beating dead horse//
Ok, this is an old post and it seems like Necro has decided to put a few monsters occasionally into Pathfinder products instead of a print version of this, but I STILL support the idea of resurrecting a print copy of this product. I did buy the Revised PDF at it's full price when it came out AND I did print it out, but it's cumbersome and fragile. CopyMax charges about $100 or more for a well-bound version sadly.
Scroll down Here to the necromancer entry.
You may jump for joy as an option.
Holy S#*+! That's the best news ever! Thanks for the news, Matthew!!!
Tome of Horrors is one of the greatest monster books of all time. And, to see it brought forward to Pathfinder comes as fantastic news. Thanks.