Hey Emo Kids CHEER UP!!!!!
I hate emo kids stop you G$~ D+$n whinning. OH my life is a dark room OH my dark soul can never be understood. Grow the f+&+ up. This goes for you to you little goth kids. Go get some sun, put more color in your wardrobe, and find some better music. Life isn't that bad and for the people that life really is that bad have bigger problems then writting bad poetry, painting their nails black, and shopping at hot topic.
Fizz
If you really want to ruin a Goth's day... inform them that Hot Topic is owned by the Gap.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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As a former emo kid,* let me just say that
1. You don't understand them.
2. It's harder to be a kid now than it was when you were a kid.
3. Uhhh...conformity is suppressing them.
4. Black is cool.
5. You're not their whole identity and they're all dressed up like the Cure.**
*Okay, not really, but I had emo kid friends.
**Ben Folds rules.
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I don't get it either; it's just some stuff that kids do.
I was into Metal and everybody was freaked out by Satan and all; Black Sabbath/Iron Maiden #o't. Beast and all that stuff. Kids just gotta try and figure out how to freak out their parents. I am frightened of what my kids'll come up with.
That's entirely it. It's obviously not really about non-conformity, or they all wouldn't be so interchangeable and cookie-cutter. It's a rebellion thing.
They should all have to work a shift a soup kitchen or something. Then they'd see A) their lives aren't that bad, and B) if the world is such a terrible place, there are far more useful things one can do than wear dark eyeshadow and write lousy poetry.
2. It's harder to be a kid now than it was when you were a kid.
I'm 22. I was a kid not long ago, probably still am. I remember the little goth kids back then and we had emo kids to, some where my friends, and I still wanted to stab them in the eye with the thing they used to put eye liner on with. I understand it is a phase, but God couldn't they have picked a less whinny one. Everyone feels like they want to crawl under a rock and die and that no one understands them when they are a teenager, but come on.
Fizz
Oh good! I've been waiting for a thread like this! Help! What is emo? I've never heard the expression except here...
For the four hundredth time, I will point out that I've gone to art school for four years now. We have the hot topic goth kids, the emo kids, the hardcore kids, and just general all purpose hipsters. In my troubled youth, I dabbled in angst via fashion. Ever seen a six foot tall, 260 Ib. 14 year old with blue hair and black nail polish? Not very becoming. Fortunately, I realized this by the time I was 16 and I stopped.
Everybody does it. Everything is heavy underground. (I like Ben Folds, too.)
What I can't understand is how some of these guys manage to get such skinny skinny legs. They're like toothpicks stuffed into girls' jeans. I guess anorexia is getting popular with guys and many young women will always prefer scruffy yet feminine skinny little men that can wear women's clothes, you know, opposed to normal men that exhibit outward signs of having reached and surpassed puberty.
My favorite thing is the look of utter derision that I get at concerts and art openings from these guys in their vintage clothing and elegantly disheveled hair. Granted, very few articles of my clothing are not somehow marred by oil paint, but at least my stuff is legit. These guys had to PAY for pre-ruined clothing. I just bought normal clothes and ruined it through daily use.
The worst are definitely hardcore kids, though. Similar fashion sense, but accentuated with "intense" tattoos. Like "Never Again" with a razor: a momento from their last tres-chic girlfriend with too much eyeliner that dumped them for some guy in a band. You know, the kind of tattoo that most sane people regret after regaining their self respect, but these guys are just too "intense" (meaning dumb) to actually realize that it's a bad thing to have tattooed on their body. Also, emo kids don't smuggle pipes and brass knuckles into concerts in order to hit people in the pit. Nor do their girlfriends kick people in the face and then immediately get their idiot boyfriends involved in the fight they chose. It kind of sucks, liking the same kind of music as a group of idiots.
Of course, it could be said that I'm just jealous that most girls my age would rather date any one of them than me. But, whatever. I like to think that I would still find them ridiculous.
Well, being a teenager does suck, at least it did for me. Then I became 18 and discovered beer.
Heh, I was a grunge kid, which I guess is kind of primitive emo. As far as I can tell they're exctly like me and my mates were at 16 except emo style is androgynous whereas grunge was kind of stupidly masculine, what with the whole "I don't wash or care what I look like" thing.
But the attitude is the same. Life sucks, blah blah blah, I feel more deeply than you, adults are shallow idiots. Every time I see emo kids I get a little secret smile, because I know that one day when they are a grown-up and have a crappy job and have to pay bills and some of the people they know are dead or have kids of their own they will realize that they were the shallow ones. The adults were all just pretending not to notice that life is unfair, because their problems were too big for them to have the luxury of self-indulgent wallowing. When you're an adult being mopey will destroy you.
Well, that's what happened to me. If I met my 16 year-old self now I'd laugh in his oh-so-serious face and say "mate, you have NO idea."
They're just being teenagers.
EDIT: I have no doubt all the people here 10 years older than me will probably read my post, laugh, and say "that guy thinks he knows it all" ;)
I think Emo kids slowly come to realize that life sucks - big time. And they don´t want to accept that fact.
As an adult, you either accept that fact or go nuts - either way, you stop whining - well, most do anyway.
Stefan
Hey Emo Kids CHEER UP!!!!!
I hate emo kids stop you g@& d!!n whinning. OH my life is a dark room OH my dark soul can never be understood. Grow the f!~% up. This goes for you to you little goth kids. Go get some sun, put more color in your wardrobe, and find some better music. Life isn't that bad and for the people that life really is that bad have bigger problems then writting bad poetry, painting their nails black, and shopping at hot topic.
Fizz
And get to the gym for $%^& sake
Uhm; I dont know what a EMO kid is either; to me EMO means Emergency Off and is a big emergency shutdown switch which kids don't have; hmm, there is a Emo on Sesame Street and he seems pretty ok to me and my kids like Emo's world so I must not know what the heck you guys are talking about.
They're all derivatives of previous incarnations of the same concept. When I was a teenager it was grunge, which I thought was just as ridiculous as everything else. In tandem was the goth scene. Before that it was either new wave or punk. Before that it was activist hippies (at least they tried to take action). Before that it was the beat movement.
Oh, and the oldest line in the book is "Being a kid these days is a lot harder than when you were a kid." I call BS. Imagine being a kid during the Vietnam war with a fear of being drafted. Imagine being a kid during the civil rights movement. Imagine being a kid during the American Civil War.
As far as the difficulty of being a kid today, we all had issues when we were growing up. The only reason why kids create drama is because they have nothing else going on, and all of their attention is focused on their emotions, most of which they never experienced before. You eventually learn how to cope, especially once you start having to worry about paying bills, feeding yourself, and maintaining a job that's more than just a paycheck. If you don't, you just wallow in your own misery, which propogates more misery and creates a cycle.
In the end, the problem isn't being a kid; it's not having a counselor or somebody professional to really help you deal with those emotions.
5. You're not their whole identity and they're all dressed up like the Cure.**
**Ben Folds rules.
Yes... yes he does...
Greg
5. You're not their whole identity and they're all dressed up like the Cure.**
**Ben Folds rules.
Yes... yes he does...
Greg
I agree. Ben Folds is totally brilliant (and it's sad he's not given more credit for such awesome and insightful song writing). He has wit, charm and intelligence and amid these terrible days of overly-manufactured-image-conscious-audio-drivel it’s very rare in the pop music business to find a guy who can put out album after album of pure class.
If you really want to ruin a Goth's day... inform them that Hot Topic is owned by the Gap.
Hey...here's something else that is true about Hot Topic!
The one thing I will give the emo/punkpop group is that they almost all play their own instruments! After living thru that boyband/britney era where nobody had any talent whatsoever to show (other than boobies and fabulous hair!), I can actually point kids in the right direction if they want to discover more music that influenced the new and trendy. (I work for the library here and have the complete trust of most kids under 14...kinda like the Pied Piper.)
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If you really want to ruin a Goth's day... inform them that Hot Topic is owned by the Gap.Hey...here's something else that is true about Hot Topic!
The one thing I will give the emo/punkpop group is that they almost all play their own instruments! After living thru that boyband/britney era where nobody had any talent whatsoever to show (other than boobies and fabulous hair!), I can actually point kids in the right direction if they want to discover more music that influenced the new and trendy. (I work for the library here and have the complete trust of most kids under 14...kinda like the Pied Piper.)
Yeah, really. Back in the day (mid-late 80s) we didn't buy crap from a store ready made to look edgy, we shredded, ripped, patched, added spikes and chains to, and painted album covers on all our own gear. It was a commitment and not some whim. Just saying you are edgy and disturbed while going out and buying $100's of gear doesn't make you either. It makes you a sap who is paying corporate America who is looking to tap into your wallet. Way to go, losers.
FH
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I only found out what an emo was last weekend, when my niece mentioned the concept (she is 13). I never had a phase like that (I went weird in my 20s, but got over that, and that is another story) but I do find it the whole new old thing all over again (if that makes sense). I remember at school a goth saying "I don't like The Cure - they are too cheerful" and find Morrissey's moaning in The Smiths completely riduculous (he was definately old enough to know better - though, of course, maybe he did and realised the kids weren't; last laugh to Morrissey).
Hopefully it a phase they go through, though my friend Simon is my age (35) and still sports long hair to his waist and wears a tartan rubber miniskirt while out clubbing. Admittedly, his is a slightly more adult scene, and I take comfort from the fact that his look is entirely cynical - he discovered some girls like his hair and odd fashion sense, and has had way more women than me as a result (though some were, likewise, a tad rum looking) - hence his continuing teenage look, totally unburdened by any angst at all.
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Yeah, really. Back in the day (mid-late 80s) we didn't buy crap from a store ready made to look edgy, we shredded, ripped, patched, added spikes and chains to, and painted album covers on all our own gear. It was a commitment and not some whim. Just saying you are edgy and disturbed while going out and buying $100's of gear doesn't make you either. It makes you a sap who is paying corporate America who is looking to tap into your wallet. Way to go, losers.
FH
Wow, Fakey - you are just so alternative.
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Kids just gotta try and figure out how to freak out their parents. I am frightened of what my kids'll come up with.
Actually, they will be listening to Zamfir.
YESSSS! ANOTHER LIBRARY WORKER ON THE BOARDS! MAD PROPS!If you really want to ruin a Goth's day... inform them that Hot Topic is owned by the Gap....(I work for the library here and have the complete trust of most kids under 14...kinda like the Pied Piper.)
Make that three...
WOW...that's got a lot to do with rpg...emos....
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but Amaril has the same avatar as me, and his post eerily echoes mine in format and writing style.
I'm all creeped out now. I just had one of those wierd internet experiences where you realize that you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but Amaril has the same avatar as me, and his post eerily echoes mine in format and writing style.
I'm all creeped out now. I just had one of those wierd internet experiences where you realize that you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...
Man... I totally thought that was you. Yeah, sure, the same avatar was probably what did it, but it also definately had the same tone as some of your posts.
you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...
You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else. This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.
Great stuff, you read 'Choke'?
WOW...that's got a lot to do with rpg...emos....
Well, then this should probably be posted in the "Off Topic" area of the forums! Oh... wait... um, nevermind.
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but Amaril has the same avatar as me, and his post eerily echoes mine in format and writing style.
I'm all creeped out now. I just had one of those wierd internet experiences where you realize that you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...
One of you must be a pod people! Only one way to know for sure...here let me spray you with this here weed'n'feed.
WOW...that's got a lot to do with rpg...emos....Well, then this should probably be posted in the "Off Topic" area of the forums! Oh... wait... um, nevermind.
Thank You Somnamancer
Fizz
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but Amaril has the same avatar as me, and his post eerily echoes mine in format and writing style.
I'm all creeped out now. I just had one of those wierd internet experiences where you realize that you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...
Just do what I did: pick the ugliest and least flattering avatar that you can find. Then you too can be a beautiful and unique snowflake, thought, both of those should be in quotation marks.
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you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else. This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.
Great stuff, you read 'Choke'?
My favorite was 'Lullaby'. drunken nomad--being as you are from Springfield, and into gaming, and read Chuck of the unpronouncible last name, you have got to know some of the same people I used to hang with when I lived down there. Maybe sometime when I am visiting my parents (who live in Willard) I can look you up and buy you a beer.
Director of Game Development
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The only thing I can add about the morose, shoe-gazing quasi-hipsters these days is that it fills me with pride knowing that some snarky teenagers are making fun of them in their basement* right now.
Every trend group that passes through the hallways has a small non-clique group of friends, who may not be popular or cool, talking s##* about them. Usually those kids are alright.
As I've always said....if you're too much into any "scene" - you're just silly.
*(or other geographical location)
Kids just gotta try and figure out how to freak out their parents. I am frightened of what my kids'll come up with.
There are always ways...
Rufus Wainwright mentioned in one interview he got into opera for major part to piss off his parents. And I know one guy whose soundtrack of teenage rebellion was Laura Nyro...
yeah, I was a kid during the Vietnam police action that later became a war; like after it was practically over so that vets could get benefits. I remember being in mid school when some of my friends and neighbors would be drafted and then a few months later you would hear they were killed; this little scrap we have going on in the middle east is nothing like the scale of that one. I remember thinking that that is just what happend to everyone; you grew up and went to war; it was normal; everyone I knew had parents or cousins or whatnot that had been; WWII, Korea, Vietnam, hehe did the Cold War myself and believe me; it got hot and peeps got killed. Any kid that thinks it was easy when I was a kid is gonna get it; i got some stories that will leave all but the hardest hearted of them in tears. yeah, my life lot of beauty there to thank JC.
well, thanks for defining it, hehe just hope the next movement remember to bathe.
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you are not in fact a beautiful and unique snowflake...You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else. This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.
Sorta reminds me of 'Dork Tower: Clanbook Mopey.':
'I am a unique little black snowflake, just like everyone else.'
'Woe is me. I cry little black tears.'
'My doomy corner of darkness beckons to me.'
etc...
Sorta reminds me of 'Dork Tower: Clanbook Mopey.':'I am a unique little black snowflake, just like everyone else.'
'Woe is me. I cry little black tears.'
'My doomy corner of darkness beckons to me.'
etc...
Yup, as long as there is Vampire, emo kids will be on-topic in RPG boards.
Reminds me of one Vampire campaign I played in which very quickly turned out strange, all the characters enjoyed being vampires and had lots of fun. Who needs goth angst when you have explosives?
We were fearing a bit that White Wolf game police would come and beat us up.
EMO is When referring to a person's personality and attitude, most definitions of emo hold that an "emo person" is candid about their emotions, sensitive, shy, introverted, broken-hearted, glum, and often quiet. Emo personality is also often connected with writing poetry, which addresses confusion, depression, loneliness, and anger, all resulting from the world's inability to understand the author. Emo poetry uses a combination of any of: a highly emotional tone, stream of consciousness writing, a simple (ABAB) or nonexistent rhyme scheme, references to the flesh, especially the heart, heavy use of dark or depressing adjectives, concern over the mutability of time and/or love, and disregard for punctuation, grammar, and/or spelling. Themes such as life is pain are common.
Some definitions of emo hold that typical "emo persons" are likely to inflict self-injury, most often by means of cutting, burning, or otherwise mutilating themselves. Some assert that it is cool within the emo subculture to pretend to be suicidal and self-harm, or that participants self-harm purely for personal enjoyment.
Criticism
In the years since emo music's rise in popularity, both emo music and emo subulture have attracted sometimes severe criticism. The term emo itself is sometimes used pejoratively, to suggest that the target is "overly emotional." Emo in general has been characterised as a fad which will be discarded and forgotten in the near future. Emo music has also been compared to the teen pop of 1990s boy bands. Critics cast the music as lacking any artistic merit, the fashion as "embarrassing" and members of the subculture as imagining or pretending that they lead harsh, painful lives when they actually live in comfortable, upper- to middle class homes. Members of the emo subculture are portrayed by critics as melodramatic, self-pitying teenagers who pour their efforts into writing bad poetry and spend too much time on MySpace. The current emo subculture has been called a "sad caricature" of what it once was. Critics have gone so far as to contend that the emo subculture or emo music are likely to cause youth to commit suicide. The backlash against emo music and subculture has become so prevalent that it may itself have become a cliché.
Thank You Wikipedia
It's kind of like goth + punk + over emotion = EMO
Plus they dress like they got their parents to drop 200 dollars in hot topic
Fizz