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This new season already has me intrigued...
One of my theories is that maybe the killer either doesn't have a real body, or is capable of some kind of psyhic projection. This would allow him (or her) to possess other people and use them to kill. If that were the case, maybe a possessed Nathan killed Kaito, which would explain what happened to the body.
Also, I wonder if the Haitian had something to do with Peter's memory loss and that is the abuse of his power he was referring to when Mohinder found him.
Oooh, I hadn't thought of that!
I don't think, though, that the killer will have a painting. Kaito said that there were nine left, and there are eight paintings.
I like Caitlin and am very interested in what Elle's role will be. Its been hinted that she might be one of the BBEGs this season with Sylar taken out of comission.
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Oooh, I hadn't thought of that!
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I should have clarified my statement a bit. What I meant was....
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Claire gets stuck with the creepy guy so not to alienate the creepy guys in the audience watching in the hope their cheerleader costume fetish will get another tickle.
The blast of power is either a refined form nuke-boys glowfists, he has learned to (or simply can in his dumb state) combine powers, he picked up somethings from Sylar, or he picked things up in the intervening 4 months. Finding out which will be fun.
The paintings will deffinetly reveal the killer. Most likely by process of elimination.
Sylar comes back tonight, yay for the invulnerable baddy. I hope he gets stomped like a bug (hehe cockroach reference) by the "guy" mollie is afraid of.
I saw that this series finally starts in germany as well. From what I read and saw of it, it looks quite interesting. And I just have stop reading this thread for fear of spoilers...
Stefan
Well, I don't know about you guys but I thought that the 8th painting was an eye opener.
BTW, Candice/Michelle completely brought her fate upon herself. If I had been in her shoes I would have kept up a continual illusion so that at no point would Sylar know where she really was in proximity to himself
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Well, I don't know about you guys but I thought that the 8th painting was an eye opener.
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If her power is combined with a bit of telepathy (being able to make people see what they expect to see) then the company may be researching exactly how Sylar steals powers.
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The 8th painting doesn't concern me much. We have a long way to go before we get there. And I am certain there will be a few twists along the way.
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So who thought Darth Peter with the "force choke" was an interesting homage?
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oh, and with flyboy. Anybody else think there is some kind of set up in the mix? Every other time we have seen people remember the abduction part of "bagging and tagging" it became important later
I'm disapointed that Peter chose Caitlin's box over his box. Don't get me wrong, I like her enough. But I wanted to know, dammit!
Candice is stupid for thinking that Sylar wouldn't try to take her power. Just plain stupid. And I think that Sylar has the same sickness as The Haitian did, so to get cured he's going to have to find Mohinder. Dramatic stand off, anyone?
When I saw the painting of Dead Noah, I also saw a blond woman kissing someone. West said that HRG was who tagged and bagged him, so maybe he convinces Claire that taking out her father would be the best thing for both of them? I'm betting that he goes the "Your powers make you special and you shouldn't hide them" route. If you've read the graphic novels, you'll note that West falls into the 'proud to be different' camp and he knows how to manipulate Claire. I could definently see that happening.
Claire, the poor thing, has terrible judgement with people. Absolutely terrible.
I'm said DL is dead...though knowing Tim Kring, he's really not.
Whoo! Uhurha is Micah's grandma or something! Neat!
I'm loving heroes at the moment -the new series is ace BUT isn't anyone a bit fed up with all the old X-men plots being rehashed? I know Jeph Loeb who writes some of the stories used to write X-men but come on! I suppose this only matters to those who read X-men but I just had the get it off my chest.
Also the new series seems to be Sylar hunting for powers and people going after paintings again. I want a loud and proud 'mutant' to show themselves to the world and take a stand against all the crap this gifted minority are going through -that would be cool.
Ah, well, it started yesterday in German television with the first two episodes, and all I can say is that I took the bait - hook,line and sinker, if I get this saying right. Great show! I just can´t wait until the next episode, but I´m playing D&D next wednesday...
Please keep on using that spoiler button - for me, its all brand new,and I don´t want to get the fun spoiled.
Stefan
I'm a little dissapointed so far with this season. But, last weeks development was interesting! I like to think that it will a reaccuring theme and not lazy writing.
I'm hooked on Heroes, but only because I know it's unlikely to be cancelled after one season by NBC, unlike HBO's tendency to eviscerate its fans right after a new show just starts to get good.
I'm hooked on Heroes, but only because I know it's unlikely to be cancelled after one season by NBC, unlike HBO's tendency to eviscerate its fans right after a new show just starts to get good.
Now, now...let's not unfairly criticize HBO...after all...we all know that Fox holds the title for cancelling great shows in their first season...
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Now, now...let's not unfairly criticize HBO...after all...we all know that Fox holds the title for cancelling great shows in their first season...
I don't watch too much Fox, so I'll take your word on that. HBO, however, deserves every bit of condemnation that can be wrought upon them. They've yanked the rug so many times out from under me, I'm not falling for their insidious traps again.
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I'll admit that I think the show got off to a slow start. Some of the stuff they were doing was beginning to annoy me. And now that they've finally kicked it into high gear it looks like the damn writer's strike is going to bring the season to an early end. DAMN THEM! DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!!!!!!
And about tonight's episode....
In the words of Keanu, "WHOA".
Pshaw, I knew they would do that. I mean, honestly, he's the coolest guy in the show. They can't just kill him, right?
Apparently, Masic Oka was on Attack of the Show a few days ago and made some very funny D&D analogies about the show. Like, Adam Monroe is Chaotic Neutrel. That totally puts it in perspective for me.
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I mean, honestly, he's the coolest guy in the show. They can't just kill him, right?.
Yeah, for some reason, it just never occurred to me they would bring him back the way they did (which I thought was cool). I didn't think they would leave him dead, but figured they'd pull some kind of time-travel trick to save his life.
Either way, I'm really liking the show right now, and wish they wouldn't have to end the season early.
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As we get closer and closer to what will likely be the end of the current season, I find myself increasingly annoyed at the Hollywood crowd and this gods damned strike. The show is really picking up the pace, showing a lot of promise, and BAM! ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!
If it comes down to a fight between Peter and Hiro, I'd have to pick Peter.
I was glad to see Alejandro die by Sylar's hand - does that make me a bad person?
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Some interesting stuff in the finale to Volume II. I wasn't entirely happy with it though. You can tell (or at least I could) they had to do a rush job to try and end the whole story just in case the writer's strike doesn't end.
Still, some of the stuff was really cool.
I loved what Hiro did to Adam. This leaves the character in a nice limbo. If the fans really like him, they can easily write him back into it. Otherwise, he can stay in that coffin forever.
The whole Micah-Nicki-Monica story was kind of dumb, I thought. To tell the truth, I thought Monica was a poor substitute for DL. He kicked ass, and I was not happy with them killing him off. Not sure if I like them possibly killing off Nicki - if they do, then I hope that Micah goes to live with Mohinder, Matt, and Molly.
I really hope they don't kill off Nathan. The thought of him getting together with Peter and Matt to fight the good fight was really cool. Not to mention that I like Adrian Pasdar. He's a good actor and his character is really cool.
Oh well, here's hoping that the damn writer's guild will end its strike and get back to work soon.
I agree with the Monica-Micah-Nicki story being lame. I love love love Micah, becuase he reminds me of my little brother, but the other two are just...blah. My dad thinks that Nicki escaped into a mirror. I hope she's dead. And what's with all the St. Joan allusions with Monica? St. Joan sacrificed herself to save others, so why didn't Monica?
I am so in love with Peter. But, I hope he realizes that his girlfriend is stuck in a nonexistent future. That's going to be tricky.
Nathan's going to pull through or I will cry. Oh and I love that he used the "I love you" line again to save the world.
I believe there was an article somewhere that said they were gonna wrap the season up early (even before the whole writer's strike) because it was becoming obvious that they had taken a wrong direction in the writing and wanted to end it so they could reboot the storyline. I think I read that in Entertainment Weekly.
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I believe there was an article somewhere that said they were gonna wrap the season up early (even before the whole writer's strike) because it was becoming obvious that they had taken a wrong direction in the writing and wanted to end it so they could reboot the storyline. I think I read that in Entertainment Weekly.
I read that article, and what it basically said was that they realized the show had been going in the wrong direction and that they were going to work things over to bring it back on track.
They had always intended to end the storyline dealing with the various generations of heroes right around this time. That would leave the second half of the season to deal with the major storyline of the plague that wipes out most of the population of earth. Because of the writer's (may the darkest of gods curse them with boils or something) strike, however, they felt it better to tie up both stories and give the fans some satisfaction just in case the strike goes on for awhile.
They had always intended to end the storyline dealing with the various generations of heroes right around this time. That would leave the second half of the season to deal with the major storyline of the plague that wipes out most of the population of earth.
Even though the two aren't even remotely connected, wouldn't it be interesting if the virus on Heroes wiped out everyone in the world and led to the movie "I am Legend" coming out soon. Interesting parallel, yes? Heh.
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They had always intended to end the storyline dealing with the various generations of heroes right around this time. That would leave the second half of the season to deal with the major storyline of the plague that wipes out most of the population of earth.Even though the two aren't even remotely connected, wouldn't it be interesting if the virus on Heroes wiped out everyone in the world and led to the movie "I am Legend" coming out soon. Interesting parallel, yes? Heh.
Actually, the two storylines were connected. The "Generations" story was meant to focus on the multiple generations of heroes - the Linderman era heroes, the current generation (represented by Peter, Matt, Nathan, Nicki, etc), and the 'new' generation (Micah, Monica, Molly, Claire, West). It also partly served as an introduction to Adam Monroe and highlighted his involvement with that previous generation of heroes (Linderman, Bob, Maury Parkman, etc), leading to their work with the Shanti Virus.
One week to go until Heroes Season Three: Villains. Is anyone else excited? I've finished reviewing my season 1 & 2 dvds so now I'm chomping at the bit!
One week to go until Heroes Season Three: Villains. Is anyone else excited? I've finished reviewing my season 1 & 2 dvds so now I'm chomping at the bit!
You know season 2 really soured it for me. I used to really be excited when it came on, listen to podcasts about it, read message boards about it and got the 360 emails. After season 2 I'm kinda meh about it. I'm hoping that the new season strikes up that excitement again, but not sure if it will.
Wayfinder, PaizoCon Founder
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Ahhhhhhh. My Monday nights feel MUCH better again.
Although, these season openers (yes, plural as they gave us two episodes, because they OWED us at least that after cutting Season 2 short) were particularly brutal in that they turned EVERYTHING upside-down.
Which is why I love this series.
Now, my Mondays will be COMPLETE with the premiere of Chuck next week.
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Ahhhhhhh. My Monday nights feel MUCH better again.
Although, these season openers (yes, plural as they gave us two episodes, because they OWED us at least that after cutting Season 2 short) were particularly brutal in that they turned EVERYTHING upside-down.
Which is why I love this series.
Now, my Mondays will be COMPLETE with the premiere of Chuck next week.
I'm about to watch the season premier here in a sec, I hope it's good.
As for Chuck awesome show, and the seaon premier is already up on NBC
Aswell as one of my other fav Life.
As a co-worker of mine mentioned, I'm starting to lose sight of the plot of Heroes because of sheer number of people they show exhibiting special powers.
What was it with not being able to hear the characters voices for the first 5 minutes? Was that a snafu or pre-planned? If it was a snafu, then I need to rewatch it to hear what was said in those first 5 minutes.
As a co-worker of mine mentioned, I'm starting to lose sight of the plot of Heroes because of sheer number of people they show exhibiting special powers.
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Hate to say it, but I agree with the spoiler. For a series whose premise was that people weren't running around in spandex, they sure are cleaving to a Marvel-esque plot.
Watched the latest two eppys of series three today and was a little disapointed. So now they have introduced another old X-men plotline into the show...
And they've even introduced their own version of the Marvel character 'Gateway' by the looks of things. Also I'm reminded of when Karma (psionic mutant) got really over weight and was transported to the desert where she had to survive and became slim, lol!
Looking forward to the bad guys getting the spotlight though, should be fun. :)
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I was pleased with the season opener. A few interesting plot twists, some new characters, and a good return for my favorite villain - Sylar.
I also read that they are bringing another of my favorite characters back - The Haitian. He'll be one a trip back home, where they may introduce his brother! Cool."
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They were already starting to repeat themselves, but in this new season, they seem to be taking that one step further.
Previously we had Adam and Claire with the same power, Invisible Claude saying that he'd 'met Empaths before, they always end badly,' 'Frying man!' Nathan Petrelli and Claire's annoying boyfriend and telepathic Parkman and his telepathic dad.
This season we now see Nikki/Grace with the same 'freeze people to death' power that Sylar got sometime before episode one, the one he used to kill Molly Walker's dad, we see Angela Petrelli with the same dream-visions power that Peter's aging patient (and the father of his / drug-painter dudes girlfriend), another pyrokinetic (jailed psycho, as well as Claire's biological mother) and another paints-the-future dude, this one in Africa, instead of being a New York heroin junkie.
There's a heck of a lot of repetition, and they are nowhere near 'out of powers' that they could be using. We still haven't seen a shapeshifter, or someone who create a force field, or someone able to secrete acid, or whatever. They also seem to have chosen a lot of visually expensive powers, which may kind of bite them in the butt, expense wise. Hiro, Nikki, etc. were pretty cheap. She walks into a room, people scream, cut to bodies lying around. He squints, and he's now somewhere else. Cheap, cheap, cheap, but very effective. All these people shooting energy around is going add up quick.
Random prediction pulled from thin air;
Whoever made Hiro's sword was also a 'hero,' one with the ability to craft items that have powers, and that sword is the only item known that can kill someone with Claire's powers. Future Peter's lasting injury to the face is an example of how it can permanantly scar a healer.
They were already starting to repeat themselves, but in this new season, they seem to be taking that one step further.
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There's a heck of a lot of repetition, and they are nowhere near 'out of powers' that they could be using. We still haven't seen a shapeshifter, or someone who create a force field, or someone able to secrete acid, or whatever. They also seem to have chosen a lot of visually expensive powers, which may kind of bite them in the butt, expense wise. Hiro, Nikki, etc. were pretty cheap. She walks into a room, people scream, cut to bodies lying around. He squints, and he's now somewhere else. Cheap, cheap, cheap, but very effective. All these people shooting energy around is going add up quick.
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What about the lady who was watching Micah when he was sort of kidnapped by Linderman's people? Wasn't she sort of a shapeshifter? Or does she not count because it seemed more illusory than real?
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What about the lady who was watching Micah when he was sort of kidnapped by Linderman's people? Wasn't she sort of a shapeshifter? Or does she not count because it seemed more illusory than real?
Yeah, she created illusions. She didn't actually look like the girl from Reaper, she just made you think she did.
I'm a little nervous that they're working with the whole "tweak the timeline" idea. Every time a show or movie starts delving too much into time travel and its consequences, I end up with a headache trying to follow all the loops, rewinds, and outright anomolies that occur.
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I'm a little nervous that they're working with the whole "tweak the timeline" idea. Every time a show or movie starts delving too much into time travel and its consequences, I end up with a headache trying to follow all the loops, rewinds, and outright anomolies that occur.
They've already gotten my goat with the time travel as well. Last season, Peter stranded new-girlfriend Caitlin in an alternate post-plague New York future, *and then utterly destroys that timeline with her in it!* Not once does he stop to think, 'Oh wait, what about that Irish chick I was smoochin?'
Did she evaporate from history, obliterated along with that timeline? Does Peter seem to give a crap? Apparently not. Gosh, that must be a cool way to get rid of your ex-girlfriends, by shunting them into the future and then make them never happen.
I didn't even like the Caitlin character, but that just makes Peter look inhumanly cold. Or profoundly dumb.
'Where did I leave that girl I was dating? Oh crap. I think I left her stranded in that building I just had blown up... Silly me. Better find a new girlfriend!'
I think the show is teetering on the edge of losing people's suspension of disbelief. It's one thing to have dozens of story arcs all intertwining with one another, but it's entirely another thing when only their writers understand any of it. LOL.
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Watched the latest two eppys of series three today and was a little disapointed. So now they have introduced another old X-men plotline into the show...
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Looking forward to the bad guys getting the spotlight though, should be fun. :)
Not sure about the X-men plotline (please expand on that) but the Dr. Suresh plot thread was definitely hijacked from the Fly.
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Not sure about the X-men plotline (please expand on that) but the Dr. Suresh plot thread was definitely hijacked from the Fly.Watched the latest two eppys of series three today and was a little disapointed. So now they have introduced another old X-men plotline into the show...
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Looking forward to the bad guys getting the spotlight though, should be fun. :)
There's an X-Men storyline called "Days of Future Past" which takes place in the future, where the government is hunting down and murdering all of the mutants.
Not sure about the X-men plotline (please expand on that) but the Dr. Suresh plot thread was definitely hijacked from the Fly.
Exactly. When he was standing there staring in the mirror I thought "Boy, he sure does remind me of Jeff Goldblum in that shot..." Then he started picking at himself and it all clicked into place.
They've already gotten my goat with the time travel as well. Last season, Peter stranded new-girlfriend Caitlin in an alternate post-plague New York future, *and then utterly destroys that timeline with her in it!* Not once does he stop to think, 'Oh wait, what about that Irish chick I was smoochin?'
Did she evaporate from history, obliterated along with that timeline? Does Peter seem to give a crap? Apparently not. Gosh, that must be a cool way to get rid of your ex-girlfriends, by shunting them into the future and then make them never happen.
I didn't even like the Caitlin character, but that just makes Peter look inhumanly cold. Or profoundly dumb.
'Where did I leave that girl I was dating? Oh crap. I think I left her stranded in that building I just had blown up... Silly me. Better find a new girlfriend!'
I hadn't even gotten that far...I was still spinning my mental wheels over the great coincidence of
Damn you, Set.
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They've already gotten my goat with the time travel as well. Last season, Peter stranded new-girlfriend Caitlin in an alternate post-plague New York future, *and then utterly destroys that timeline with her in it!* Not once does he stop to think, 'Oh wait, what about that Irish chick I was smoochin?'
Did she evaporate from history, obliterated along with that timeline? Does Peter seem to give a crap? Apparently not. Gosh, that must be a cool way to get rid of your ex-girlfriends, by shunting them into the future and then make them never happen.
I didn't even like the Caitlin character, but that just makes Peter look inhumanly cold. Or profoundly dumb.
'Where did I leave that girl I was dating? Oh crap. I think I left her stranded in that building I just had blown up... Silly me. Better find a new girlfriend!'
I hadn't even gotten that far...I was still spinning my mental wheels over the great coincidence of ** spoiler omitted ** and trying to figure out exactly ** spoiler omitted **. I'd been actively avoiding thinking about the time twists...now you've opened Pandora's Box and I can't put it all back.
Damn you, Set.
Well, as for:
What I want to know is:
Yeah, I found the season premiere pretty disappointing.
And that's setting aside that the whole plot thread feels out of character for Suresh. Rather than feeling like a natural progression, it feels like the Great Hand of Plot shoving pieces where it wants without reason.
Also, regarding our Sylar thread, they've just undermined the entire first season.
You don't want to go around jacking with the premises you've asked your audience to accept. Since you're already asking the audience to digest a pretty hefty set of ground rules, fantasy / SF stories are about the most important place this rule applies. Season 3 is already triggering my alarms that they're going to fall down on this point.
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Regarding Sylar,
As for his getting Claire's power, I think only part of that was about protecting Claire. The real reason for alarm, was that they figured his gaining regenerative powers would make him that much more difficult to stop.
As for Dr. Suresh,
The homage to The Fly was a bonus in my book. I like seeing things like that. To each his own, of course.
I also don't mind the "Days of Future Past" idea they've thrown in. In a way, that's one of the logical extensions of the story - non-powered folks find out about them, freak out, and harsh reactions ensue. And once again, they seem to be paying homage to classic genre storylines. I've got no problem with that, since its done all the time.
I will agree, however, that they make far too much use of the whole "time-travel, avoid the terrible future" plot. I wouldn't mind seeing them go at least half a season without any time travel at all.
I do hope that they've completely tossed that little punk flying character they stuck in as a love interest for Claire. He was lame.
Lastly, I although they have repeated some powers already, I hope they don't go the route of having too many different types. Let's face it, that's how you end up with character's like Marrow and Maggot (X-men).
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I don't watch it (I know *gasp* just didn't want to get hooked on another TV show) but follow along on threads like this and wiki.
I'm surprised we haven't seen any 'super inventors' either like Forge or like Detroit Steel, though the later would be more practical.
And in reading, I think they needed to have Syler's duplicating of Claire's power to be 'anti-climatic' both because a) it shows the audience to -not- make assumptions, and b) it shows how deadly Syler (and future Peter) are. It would take apparently some high level of bodily destruction to kill them.
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Regarding the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing, my interpretation of it was that: