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Silver Crusade

Should be a good episode tonight...


brent norton wrote:
Should be a good episode tonight...

'Lucifer Rising'. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome! :)

Dark Archive

There's suppose to be an rpg based on the show and other mediums (i.e., comics) but it's been delayed.

Silver Crusade

Great episode. Now what's going to happen? Awesome show.

Liberty's Edge

brent norton wrote:
Great episode. Now what's going to happen? Awesome show.

Well, given that they managed to bounce back from being run over by a semi in the first season, I think they'll bounce back from their current problems. Really a big increase in the stakes though. :)

Liberty's Edge

I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.


Andrew Turner wrote:
I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

Your right, if they knew what was happening the show wouldn't nearly as good.


I have to wonder if the show will plateau here in the next season. I mean, c'mon, they're battling the greatest evil in existence. Once that's done and settled, where do you go from there?


Andrew Turner wrote:
I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

I had expected that it would end with (not sure if I should spoiler so I will)

Spoiler:
Sam being the "host" for Lucifer (variable control) and the next season being cat and mouse betwen Sam, Dean, Lucifer, and the angels. But since it didn't end with a nasty look on Sam's face, I'm not so sure anymore.

I do miss the "urban legend" plots from the first season.

Liberty's Edge

Daeglin wrote:
Andrew Turner wrote:
I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

I had expected that it would end with (not sure if I should spoiler so I will) ** spoiler omitted **

I do miss the "urban legend" plots from the first season.

In that way the show is like the X-Files--the conspiracy built up over the years, connecting all the threads and plots of the earliest episodes, and probably should have ended a couple years earlier than it did. The last season tried to revisit the original idea, but after going through global-interstellar uberplots, the search for batboy is a bridge too far.

Then again how many times did Buffy and the Scooby Gang save the universe?


Daeglin wrote:
I do miss the "urban legend" plots from the first season.

The sad thing is there are so few urban 'legends' that people think are worth knowing.

I typed 'legends' because I am a novice cryptozoologist.

Silver Crusade

Andrew Turner wrote:
Daeglin wrote:

[QUOTE="a bridge too far.

Then again how many times did Buffy and the Scooby Gang save the universe?

I'm still waiting for a Scooby-Doo Episode. They at least have to save for teens and a dog.


Andrew Turner wrote:
Then again how many times did Buffy and the Scooby Gang save the universe?

It's a tough balancing act, one that Whedon seemed to be able to pull off most times, even to the point of making fun of it in one episode centered around Xander and his relatively minor misadventures one night - while the rest of the gang were saving the world, details of which the viewers never saw other than peripherally.

On the other hand, I suppose, I wouldn't want to go back to the typical '80's "reset button" where at the end of every episode there is a net change of zero (The A Team, Simon and Simon, etc.). Ongoing character development over the years of a series seemed to be tentatively introduced in STG: The Next Generation, and then really hit its stride with Whedon's stuff. I probably shouldn't complain too much about it in Supernatural - 4 years of urban legend plots would probably get tiresome.

Db3's Astral Projection wrote:


The sad thing is there are so few urban 'legends' that people think are worth knowing.

Well, I wondered how much that came into play when they were plotting their seasons. Was it "few that people think worth knowing" or "few worth knowing"? I'm pretty oblivious to North American folklore other than what can be gleaned from a childhood watching Bugs and Daffy. If it was the latter, and there's not a lot of source material, I would have thought they could draw from other cultures/regions to expand into. Great thing about the melting pot is that stuff could have been brought in from any legend in the world.

Liberty's Edge

All these show have the same problem--the story builds to a point where the climax simply can't be topped. Buffy ended with the total destruction of Sunnydale (which should have happened a year earlier and then we could have skipped the disappointing season of 1000 slayers), and just narrowly averting total, universal apocalypse. Angel, ditto. X-files probably should have ended around the end of season 6, or with the Africa episodes. The last season of the show was actually pretty good, and I would have enjoyed a spinoff using Dogget and Reyes; and the show could have completely abandoned the conspiracy-mythos and stuck to monsters and psychics, but it was really too late.

I'm happy with the end of Terminator, and in a way, I hope it really doesn't return--I think the story is told. Maybe a new show, but the Sarah Connor Chronicles are done, and a spectacular job they did!

Supernatural...I love the show, but the few MOTW episodes this last season were not very good, and the whole buildup to the Apocalypse completely overshadows everything else, since this is the Big One MOAA it took Buffy 7 years to get to. I almost wish the series had ended in a huge three-hours finale. I really don't know where they can go from here, unless it's a spinoff.


Andrew Turner wrote:

All these show have the same problem--the story builds to a point where the climax simply can't be topped...

I'm happy with the end of Terminator, and in a way, I hope it really doesn't return--I think the story is told. Maybe a new show, but the Sarah Connor Chronicles are done, and a spectacular job they did!

Supernatural...I love the show, but the few MOTW episodes this last season were not very good, and the whole buildup to the Apocalypse completely overshadows everything else, since this is the Big One MOAA it took Buffy 7 years to get to. I almost wish the series had ended in a huge three-hours finale. I really don't know where they can go from here, unless it's a spinoff.

I agree. Something to be said for having a clear end point to a series. Lost, for example, seems to be trying to tie up all the loose ends in a coherent fashion. If they weren't making the attempt, it'd be tempting to start making comparisons to Gilligan's Island. :)

The Supernatural writers and producers must be thinking of these issues despite appearances, otherwise I don't think they'd have the balls to actually call an episode "Jump The Shark".

Maybe a British member of the boards can clarify this, but I believe they commission most tv series differently for the BBC. Instead of aiming for running as long as ratings justify, new shows tend to be marketed for a specific number and it can be relatively rare for that to change, leading to more self-contained plots then we are used to seeing in North America. Or maybe I completely misunderstood how they do things.

Liberty's Edge

You're right--Spooks is one of the few BBC series that always ends with a cliffhanger.

Dark Archive

Andrew Turner wrote:
You're right--Spooks is one of the few BBC series that always ends with a cliffhanger.

Now I'm fondly recalling a show named Cliffhanger, that always ended that way. But it was ages ago, and I also 'fondly' recall stuff like Misfits of Science and Hawk the Slayer, which were all kinds of awful...

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I don't think the battle will happen right away... Big L will jump out of his hole, kick them both on their arse, and Greater Teleport to some kind of Doctor Evil hideout where Number Two will have amassed an incalculable fortune in preparation for his arrival, so as to start building his Apocalypse Army. Of course, he'll be sending his Four Horsemen, and each one will be defeated by the two heroes. The season finale will see the Army of Good versus the Army of Evil, etc. etc. etc.

The only twist here seems to be the nugget they dropped during the final show: it appears that the head management of the angels is acting on their own, and do not speak to God anymore... The hint came from the "angel boss" in the form of some quip going along the lines of "God has left the building"... THAT, I am really interested to see develop... the rest of the demon boxing season, not so much...

Liberty's Edge

For all those worried about them not being able to top fighting THE greatest evil of them all, I believe I read somewhere that the show's creator had stated he never wanted to take it past 5 seasons. He didn't want it to be one of those shows that kept going for the sake of keeping it going.

As such, I honestly believe season 5 will be the end of the series and I'd be happy with that. I'd rather the WHOLE show across all seasons be amazing then it teeter off into suckage.

And for the record, Dean rules all.

Silver Crusade

So, what music will they start the show with? We all know that music is a big deal about the show. My quess would be Shout at the Devil.

Sovereign Court

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Which one did they use at the beginning of the Season 4 finale? I don't remember but I do remember thinking that it was pretty cool! :P

Liberty's Edge

brent norton wrote:
So, what music will they start the show with? We all know that music is a big deal about the show. My quess would be Shout at the Devil.

I think they should use Sympathy for the Devil. Nice change of pace from the AC/DC and it could set the scene for an intelligent, sophisticated BBEG (*THE* BBEG).


Supernatural is my favorite show on TV right now. I own all of the seasons on DVD. I love the Winchesters, the show is great. It's toned down for TV but not too toned down (or dumbed down).

I'm glad it's well liked because I want them to keep producing shows until they run out of storylines anyway.

Can't wait until next season!

Scarab Sages

Loved the season opener! A friend recorded it just to go back and count all the different insults Dean said to the angels.

I also loved the bit with the fan of the books. In some ways it was creepy, in other ways very funny.

All in all, a great start to what looks to be an excellent season.

Sovereign Court

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missed it while at the cottage... gonna have to find a way to see it now... (hoping SPACE is still only one week behind and not three years...)

Dark Archive

It all went by so fast! I needed a double sized premiere, I think. :)

Sovereign Court

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Just watched it.

Sam/Dean/Angels = meh (getting old real fast)

Lonely guy who lost his wife and baby being tempted by the Big L. = amazingly done. Wow. I don't know who those two actors where (man and woman) but they can ACT! Wow!

The Exchange

*glees as he downloads the latest episode via itunes over his hacked 3G connection on his jailbroken iPhone*

*cheesy Star Wars Death Star trench run monologue ensues*

"Almost There .... AL-MOST ... there!!!"

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This is still my favorite show on TV! I am still a huge fan of devil angel war, especially with it going on without God's blessings as far as we know. Love that the whole thing has been started and pushed by the Angels! This is not a Evil Vs good thing but a Evil Vs the misguided.

There have been few episodes of this show have have not liked, I think Sam and Dean are some of the best written characters on TV!

Scarab Sages

Damn, last night's episode was wicked.

Spoiler:
I loved the scenes between Lucifer and Castiel, as well as the scene of the hunters in their "last night on earth" party. I'm also glad to see they are bringing in another one of the Horsemen, and can't wait to see how they portray Death.

Still, I'm kind of pissed that they killed off Ellen and Jo - especially Jo. Alona Tal is a hottie, and she was in the military!

Lucifer mentioned that there are 5 beings in all of creation that the Colt can't kill. He's one, and I assume God and Michael are two others. I wonder if the last two aren's Sam and Dean themselves. Either them, or two other archangels like Raphael and Gabriel.


Aberzombie wrote:

Damn, last night's episode was wicked.

** spoiler omitted **

Not to be nit-picky, but I'd agree with your assessment, excluding God. The words used were "in creation," which is to say God's creation, hence he would not be included as he is something outside of it entirely.

That said,

Spoiler:
Castiel seemed to think the colt would work on Satan. So apparently this is inside knowledge. I'd go with the archangel idea, but I hope that Death is included in those five beings. There have been plenty of shows and books that deal with the idea of Death not doing his job, and its never pretty.

Shadow Lodge

I think death should be portrayed as a small child...

Or they can go the traditional route, skeletal figure in black robes with a scythe. On a Nightmare.


Death should be a woman--a very attractive, very scary, woman.

Dark Archive

This show is wonderful. Why didn't anyone tell me it existed?

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Dude, I meant to, but this thing came up, with this chick and this black smoke, and Lucifer and I accidentally lost my laptop in the Apocalypse.

Dude. Sorry.

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Wow... Last episode was one of the best I have ever seen!... Though..

Spoiler:
I wish they did not make the Gods so wimpy, would have been nice if they gave Lucifer a good fight, instead of him going through them like butter

Also...

ghost! ghostfacers!
we face the ghosts when others will not, we're--
ghost! ghostfacers!
stay in the kitchen when the kitchen gets hot!
ghost! ghostfacers!
we face the nightmare, we face the dread
ghost! ghostfacers!
we face the faceless -- WE FACE THE DEAD!

in the haunted night, looking for the fight of our life
with the after-life!
when you trip and fall, into the super-natur-all
we're who you're gonna call
cause we face them all!

Liberty's Edge

Still my Favorite show currently on or off the air. However ...

Spoiler:
Not sure if I need to spoiler this but they picked it up for a 6th season (the CW did) due to having that long with Jensen Ackles and Jared's contract. The suckage part in this is that Eric Kripke has already said he's stepping down as head dude since he only wanted to do 5 but he would remain in play as a producer or something. I have no idea what this means but I was hoping this season would be it so it could end on a note full of awesome.

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Dragnmoon wrote:

Wow... Last episode was one of the best I have ever seen!... Though..

** spoiler omitted **

About the *spoiler* being so whimpy, probably has to do with their current relevance in the space-time continuum... during eras of low worship, their power decreases... etc.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:

Wow... Last episode was one of the best I have ever seen!... Though..

** spoiler omitted **

About the *spoiler* being so whimpy, probably has to do with their current relevance in the space-time continuum... during eras of low worship, their power decreases... etc.

Spoiler:
if that was the case Kali would have been a lot more powerful, she is part of the third largest religion in the world!
Sovereign Court

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Dragnmoon wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:

Wow... Last episode was one of the best I have ever seen!... Though..

** spoiler omitted **

About the *spoiler* being so whimpy, probably has to do with their current relevance in the space-time continuum... during eras of low worship, their power decreases... etc.
** spoiler omitted **

The cost of a pantheistic system I guess... worship gets split amongst the whole lot...

Silver Crusade

Just got to watch it Awesome! Love the lines in this episode Legion of doom, And the one stolen from Army of darkness.

Dark Archive

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
About the *spoiler* being so wimpy, probably has to do with their current relevance in the space-time continuum... during eras of low worship, their power decreases... etc.

This bugged me a lot as well, as a fan of some of those mentioned (Odin! Baldar! Baron Samedi!), but this is the Supernaturalverse, not the world of D&D or the Marvel Comicsverse, and 'gods' of this sort are just evil flesh-eating monsters who've tricked humans into propitiating them.

If anything, it was ballsy to include Kali, Ganesha and Baron Samedi in the list, as they have hundreds of thousands to a billion or so adherents / believers in the real world.

Odin and Baldar have some followers in the modern day, but nothing like an entire sub-continent still paying them respect.

If it was based off of current worshippers, Kali would have smoked Lucifer's bacon and picked her teeth with his blackened bones, since she's got many, many times more actual worshippers. The devil has, like, maybe a couple hundred angry teenagers who actually revere him, with even the so-called Church of Satan considering worshipping or respecting anything other than one's own self-interest as a sign of weakness, and see the devil as nothing more than a metaphor for their own rejection of the dominant social paradigm of 'blind obedience to unearned authority.'

Even Odin, thanks to the Asatru, would probably have been able to smack him around a bit (and Ganesh and Samedi would have swatted him like a bug), if the 'worshippers equals power' paradigm applied to the Supernaturalverse.

Scarab Sages

I also enjoyed last weeks episode, and I'm looking forward to tonights. That being said....

Spoiler:
I thought the writing was excellent and loved seeing all those other deities. I was also kind of bugged by the ease with which Lucifer smoked them. Not too much though, as I always enjoy watching a good ass-whuppin.

I was more bugged by the death of Gabriel. I was really starting to like him. But, it seems to me they were hinting that his sword can kill Lucifer. If so, then why don't the Winchesters try to get hold of it?

Scarab Sages

Maybe that is a plan.

Are they looking at a season 6 for Supernatural?

Liberty's Edge

Masika wrote:

Maybe that is a plan.

Are they looking at a season 6 for Supernatural?

Against the wishes of Eric Kripke, yes. It's already been picked up for another season by CW because they still hold the brothers for another season in their contract if they so choose. They chose.

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Misery wrote:
Masika wrote:

Maybe that is a plan.

Are they looking at a season 6 for Supernatural?

Against the wishes of Eric Kripke, yes. It's already been picked up for another season by CW because they still hold the brothers for another season in their contract if they so choose. They chose.

NOooooooooooo! while I love the show I fear that this will decrease the momentum. The last thing you want before the big fight is a string of filler shows...

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Set wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
About the *spoiler* being so wimpy, probably has to do with their current relevance in the space-time continuum... during eras of low worship, their power decreases... etc.

This bugged me a lot as well, as a fan of some of those mentioned (Odin! Baldar! Baron Samedi!), but this is the Supernaturalverse, not the world of D&D or the Marvel Comicsverse, and 'gods' of this sort are just evil flesh-eating monsters who've tricked humans into propitiating them.

If anything, it was ballsy to include Kali, Ganesha and Baron Samedi in the list, as they have hundreds of thousands to a billion or so adherents / believers in the real world.

Odin and Baldar have some followers in the modern day, but nothing like an entire sub-continent still paying them respect.

If it was based off of current worshippers, Kali would have smoked Lucifer's bacon and picked her teeth with his blackened bones, since she's got many, many times more actual worshippers. The devil has, like, maybe a couple hundred angry teenagers who actually revere him, with even the so-called Church of Satan considering worshipping or respecting anything other than one's own self-interest as a sign of weakness, and see the devil as nothing more than a metaphor for their own rejection of the dominant social paradigm of 'blind obedience to unearned authority.'

Even Odin, thanks to the Asatru, would probably have been able to smack him around a bit (and Ganesh and Samedi would have swatted him like a bug), if the 'worshippers equals power' paradigm applied to the Supernaturalverse.

You have to remember that this is a show centered on Judeo-Christian principles... and thus the power of the devil in the show has less to do with the amount of followers he has (remember that he HATES humans as God chose them above him and the angels) but more to do with his "mandate" as the destroyer of the world in the coming of the Apocalypse (i.e. certain creatures in other myths have no followers but during end times their powers increase so they can achieve destruction -- Rovagug, Dendar the Night Serpent, forces of Loki during Ragnarok, etc.)

Shadow Lodge

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Misery wrote:
Masika wrote:

Maybe that is a plan.

Are they looking at a season 6 for Supernatural?

Against the wishes of Eric Kripke, yes. It's already been picked up for another season by CW because they still hold the brothers for another season in their contract if they so choose. They chose.
NOooooooooooo! while I love the show I fear that this will decrease the momentum. The last thing you want before the big fight is a string of filler shows...

Eric Kripke won't be directing Season 6 of the show. As far as I understand it, they will still finish out the current story line this season. Next season will be about the aftermath of the last few seasons.


Balodek wrote:
Next season will be about the aftermath of the last few seasons.

Hrrrmm... :/

Sovereign Court

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Arnwyn wrote:
Balodek wrote:
Next season will be about the aftermath of the last few seasons.
Hrrrmm... :/

I know... I can see a whole season of shirtless winchester action looming on the horizon too... "Season 7: the chick market segment season! tune in gals! them boyz got some fyyyyyyyyne abs!"

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