Introducing: The Ravaged Pride


Savage Tide Adventure Path

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Folks,

In collaboration with Dragonfire Laser Crafts, Inc., we've put together a new product that is of particular interest to seagoing campaigns. Please take a look at the new Ravaged Pride and let us know what you think!

--Erik Mona
Publisher
Paizo Publishing, LLC


Really cool, but $80? Ouch.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

My feeling is that it's worth it if you use miniatures a lot. A good way to save some money is to leave out the mast kit and focus on the ship, which is awesome.

--Erik

Contributor

Wow! That's seriously bad-ass! $80 is nothing for something like that. And is it my imagination, or is that the deck plans of the Sea Wyvern?

The use you can get out of this if you're running the STAP more than justifies the price. Maybe I'll talk my players into all chipping in so we can get it.


It's cool, but I think I'll stick to my popsicle sticks. I simply don't have the money to burn.

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Erik Mona wrote:

Folks,

In collaboration with Dragonfire Laser Crafts, Inc., we've put together a new product that is of particular interest to seagoing campaigns. Please take a look at the new Ravaged Pride and let us know what you think!

--Erik Mona
Publisher
Paizo Publishing, LLC

DROOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

As soon as I get some extra booty I'll be pickin me up a Ravaged Pride, yessir!


Cute! I'd be sorely tempted to get one, except that my group is adamant about not "playing with dolls." In consequence, I run a miniatures-free game.


When I first saw this post I thought it was a satire on The Savage Tide because it rhymed.

Now that I know better, I just sing it.

The Ravaged Pride in the Savage Tide...
The Ravaged Pride in the Savage Tide...


Wow. I have to admit that there’s a dent in the desk where my jaw hit when I saw the pic of the “Pride”. However, I do think $80 is a bit steep. I love the model, but rent, utilities and groceries are more important. If you’re a craftsie person, you can make a workable prop with a piece of framing mat, a razor blade and a permanent marker. It won’t be as pretty, but it works.


Sir Dave wrote:
Wow. I have to admit that there’s a dent in the desk where my jaw hit when I saw the pic of the “Pride”. However, I do think $80 is a bit steep. I love the model, but rent, utilities and groceries are more important. If you’re a craftsie person, you can make a workable prop with a piece of framing mat, a razor blade and a permanent marker. It won’t be as pretty, but it works.

Check out Maiden of the Mist from Worldworks Games. Its a cardstock model that costs only $15 and looks fantastic. There are multiple decks that lift off so you can play below decks, and the floors are super-imposed with a 1" grid. This kicks the Ravaged Pride's butt.

http://worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath =6&products_id=27

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Sean Robson wrote:
Sir Dave wrote:
Wow. I have to admit that there’s a dent in the desk where my jaw hit when I saw the pic of the “Pride”. However, I do think $80 is a bit steep. I love the model, but rent, utilities and groceries are more important. If you’re a craftsie person, you can make a workable prop with a piece of framing mat, a razor blade and a permanent marker. It won’t be as pretty, but it works.

Check out Maiden of the Mist from Worldworks Games. Its a cardstock model that costs only $15 and looks fantastic. There are multiple decks that lift off so you can play below decks, and the floors are super-imposed with a 1" grid. This kicks the Ravaged Pride's butt.

http://worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath =6&products_id=27

http://worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath =6&p roducts_id=27

"Product not found."

Besides Maid of the Mist is the tourist boat we take to see the Niagara Falls up close and personal. That's pretty cool though I think.

Is Ravaged Pride wood or plastic, Erik? Me wanty! Gots to write more articles so I can pick this up!


Nicolas Pett wrote:

http://worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info& ;cPath=6&p roducts_id=27

"Product not found."

You need to take out the extraneous space near the end.

$15 appears to be for a PDF file for home printing, not an actual cardstock model.

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MarkB wrote:
Nicolas Pett wrote:

http://worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info& ;cPath=6&p roducts_id=27

"Product not found."

You need to take out the extraneous space near the end.

$15 appears to be for a PDF file for home printing, not an actual cardstock model.

Thanks I'll look again!

Liberty's Edge

"Check out Maiden of the Mist from Worldworks Games. Its a cardstock model that costs only $15 and looks fantastic. There are multiple decks that lift off so you can play below decks, and the floors are super-imposed with a 1" grid. http://worldworksgames.com

Besides Maid of the Mist is the tourist boat we take to see the Niagara Falls up close and personal. That's pretty cool though I think."

Nicholas
You're right ... Maid of the Mist is in the gorge at the Falls, but the Sea Maiden (at World Works Games) is a cardstock model that if you're willing to invest some time in is a much nicer view for gamers. Check out the link and look for the products page ... it is there.
Dave

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Nicolas Pett wrote:


Is Ravaged Pride wood or plastic, Erik? Me wanty! Gots to write more articles so I can pick this up!

I'll take this one. It's wood, and extremely well built and made. Erik and I visited the factory where these are made, and we were duly impressed with the quality of construction. Yeah, it's $80 - but how much do you spend on minis, and books, and all that jazz already anyway? Hell, the Colossal Red was almost that much, and how often will you use THAT thing in a game? This is something that will last practically forever, and can be used in ANY seafaring campaign setting, or for minis games, or for floating in yer bathtub and sending broadsides at yer rubber duckie.

We are truly stoked about this product. Get your orders in, this one's hot...


I was sitting in my car last night, debating different methods that I could use to create a miniature-friendly setting for Savage Tides. Then I saw this on the website. Not only is it going to save me money, but time as well!

Just in time for Christmas, too! :D


I can't tell from the pictures, but can you put the boat together in a way that allows three dimensional combat on all ship levels? Does the mast kit allow you to stack each layer with room to place miniatures on each level? It doesn't look like it from the pictures.

That's really the only reason why I would want to use this instead of the poster map.

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Takasi wrote:
I can't tell from the pictures, but can you put the boat together in a way that allows three dimensional combat on all ship levels? Does the mast kit allow you to stack each layer with room to place miniatures on each level? It doesn't look like it from the pictures.

The mast kit itself doesn't allow for you to use all the levels at once (though you could probably rig something up for it pretty easily), but you can still have three-dimensional combat between the various yardarms and crows' nests, which are conveniently gridded. For me, that's the coolest part, as I always have at least one player who wants to head to the top of the mast and play sniper.


Walker wrote:


Nicholas
You're right ... Maid of the Mist is in the gorge at the Falls, but the Sea Maiden (at World Works Games) is a cardstock model that if you're willing to invest some time in is a much nicer view for gamers. Check out the link and look for the products page ... it is there.
Dave

Oops, sorry... must have had a mind-dump. Yeah, Sea Maiden. I haven't bought this one yet, but I have purchased other model kits from Worldworks and they are incredible. Yes, it is just a PDF file that you print out on 110 lb. cardstock. But it isn't all that much work to assemble, and its also a lot of fun. Best part is that, with all their models, having bought the PDF you can print out as many as you want. You could build an entire fleet if you felt like it.

Folks who don't have the time or inclination to build models probably won't be interested in these products, but if you have a colour printer, an x-acto knife, some glue, and a few free hours, Worldworks products take miniature gaming to a whole new level. (I don't work for the company or anything, I just really love their products).


I saw these guys at Gen Con this past summer. They have a wide assortment of boats and I did consider them.

My problem: Minis falling off the rigging and ruining a great paint job.

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Sean Robson wrote:
Walker wrote:


Nicholas
You're right ... Maid of the Mist is in the gorge at the Falls, but the Sea Maiden (at World Works Games) is a cardstock model that if you're willing to invest some time in is a much nicer view for gamers. Check out the link and look for the products page ... it is there.
Dave

Oops, sorry... must have had a mind-dump. Yeah, Sea Maiden. I haven't bought this one yet, but I have purchased other model kits from Worldworks and they are incredible. Yes, it is just a PDF file that you print out on 110 lb. cardstock. But it isn't all that much work to assemble, and its also a lot of fun. Best part is that, with all their models, having bought the PDF you can print out as many as you want. You could build an entire fleet if you felt like it.

Folks who don't have the time or inclination to build models probably won't be interested in these products, but if you have a colour printer, an x-acto knife, some glue, and a few free hours, Worldworks products take miniature gaming to a whole new level. (I don't work for the company or anything, I just really love their products).

I have it and have completed it. It is 3' long and cool as all hell! It scales out to be about 150'x 35' from tip to tip(Blue Nixie sized) so I will have to use something else for the Sea Wyvern (and not an $80 flat model). I was thinking about doctoring a smaller ship out of the Sea Maiden. Or switching the 2 ships in the path (Sea Wyvern is Lav's ship, Nixie is a large slightly worn ship the PCs find). It would take a whole lot of convincing to get me to buy a few pieces of flat wood that cost about $5 with stuff etched on them for $80. I mean damn! Break out the wood burning kit and stencils.

FH


Yeah, that $80 sticker is way to high for me--heck, I only paid $37.50 for my Colossal Red Dragon (thank you, Amazon pre-order!).


Jib wrote:

I saw these guys at Gen Con this past summer. They have a wide assortment of boats and I did consider them.

My problem: Minis falling off the rigging and ruining a great paint job.

Unfortunately, that is a problem with any 3D set up. Or in fact with mini's in general. I ruined the paint job on a mini just the other day by accidently banging it into a glass beer mug. Accidents will happen. :)


Hmm. I think I'll have to at least strongly consider buying this one if I run Savage Tide.


Fake Healer wrote:

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It would take a whole lot of convincing to get me to buy a few pieces of flat wood that cost about $5 with stuff etched on them for $80. I mean damn! Break out the wood burning kit and stencils.

FH

Well, judging from the entire set-up, I think it took more than stencils to produce the Ravaged Pride. It is only just $60 for the ship itself.

If you are to calculate the time and effort plus monies spent on creating your own out of wood or even a printed ship from PDF from WorldWorks, it may cost you more. Let's figure it out: PDF, $15. Exacto Knife (A good one, not the kind that rust when you breath on it or fall apart when you stare at it too long) $10. Printing costs (black and white includes cardstock paper): $4 OR Printing Costs (color includes cardstock paper): $6. Glue: $5 Time to put it all together, at an average of 2 hours @ a measley $10/hr (which is way less than most people feel their time is worth, I know mine is $100/hr, but I can't seem to convince my boss of that): $20.
Total estimated cost of making your own ship: $54-$56. Life expectancy of ship: who knows? Hope you don't spill anything on that cardboard paper, don't accidently rip it, don't lose a piece or you would have to print another one.
$60, or even $80 for a ship, that is going to withstand the rigors of weekly use, doesn't look all that bad.

Liberty's Edge

$80.00

Yikes

Doing something Similar only with 1/4 Foam board and a printed out 1"=5' Custom Dundjinni Map..
Don't think it will be anywhere near $80.00

Yea its nice, but 5' Mast riggings......duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh

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Seeing how the Ravaged Pride looks like a good fit for the Savage Tide, I preordered mine, using my OoTS credit...


JPSTOD wrote:

$80.00

Yikes

Doing something Similar only with 1/4 Foam board and a printed out 1"=5' Custom Dundjinni Map..
Don't think it will be anywhere near $80.00

Yea its nice, but 5' Mast riggings......duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh

Actually, if you look close, the rigging is more like 1 foot. The entire piece is 1 inch across so your mini can be on there and still be stable.


Thanks to the posters who gave the info on World Works games. I was not familiar with their stuff until I read about them here and checked them out. Excellent stuff.

As far as the Ravaged Pride goes, $80 is a ridiculous price for a couple of skid strips and dowels. Cutting out the ship map in the latest Dungeon mag and glueing it onto a board would look better than that thing does.

I have a hard time believing that the Dungeon staff (no offense guys, but you asked for our opinions) did much research into similar products before putting this one up on the site as their recommendation.

From what I can tell looking at the pics it is not visually attractive, and it doesn't take much skill or work to do something of equal quality on your own.

Dark Archive

I won't buy this either, but then again I don't buy boxes and boxes of pre-painted minis for similar reasons.


Hi, thought I would drop in; I've poked around the site a little bit before.

My name is Carrie, and my husband owns Dragonfire Laser Crafts, the people who make this pretty ship. I'm also a gamer, dating back to the early 90's if you count Magic, 1995 if you only count RPGs and later than that if you only count D&D. ;)

Each layer of this ship is cut out of 1/8 of an inch birch plywood with a laser. It is then hand assembled. my husband also makes his business cards out of the same material. We accidentally sent a few through the washer and when they came out and dried, all they needed was a little sanding; pretty sturdy materials. Similiarly, I use a wooden table tent for my RPGA characters and so far I've never had any problems with them bouncing around in my backpack with dice, books, etc.

The brass tubes will hold the masts upright if you want to seperate out the layers of the ship but still play on the masts.

If you have any questions about durability, materials or other things like that, go and drop by the website and drop my husband Lucas a message. :)

Oh, and thank you to those that complimented the ship. :)

Carrie
femalegamer on livejournal


When will this product for those that pre-order be available? Will it sell for a higher price when the pre-order ends? If so when is the end for that pre-order so I can try and get in on it?

Thanks in advance :-)

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At U-Con this weekend, they were there with a bunch of sample ships (not the Ravaged Pride, but others). All I can say is: Wow!

--Eric


Steve Greer wrote:

Wow! That's seriously bad-ass! $80 is nothing for something like that. And is it my imagination, or is that the deck plans of the Sea Wyvern?

The use you can get out of this if you're running the STAP more than justifies the price. Maybe I'll talk my players into all chipping in so we can get it.

Glad to chip in! :)


What is the estimate for the date the pre-orders of the Ravaged Pride will ship? I'm planning on ordering it just wondering if it's shipping in a week, or if due to production it will be a month or more.

Thanks,
~MB

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Reznor00 wrote:

What is the estimate for the date the pre-orders of the Ravaged Pride will ship? I'm planning on ordering it just wondering if it's shipping in a week, or if due to production it will be a month or more.

Thanks,
~MB

Mine says November 30, which would be this Thursday. It's no rush for me because I'm not starting my campaign till next year, but it will be nice to get it in. I suspect I'll see it early next week.

It is important that I get it by Christmas, I guess, but only because it's bundled with a T-Shirt order for my wife. She likes that one with the Dragons and ketchup. :)

I placed my pre-order a few weeks ago though, 11/11 to be exact, so if their first batch is already spoken for, you might have to wait longer, not sure.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

We just got our first shipment in; they should start going out tomorrow.

A couple of weeks ago, we ordered twice as many units as we had preorders for, but as of right now we've already sold just over two-thirds of the first shipment. Still have some left, though.

(At the moment, our site is still showing the ship-with-mast-kit as a preorder—that's a bug we're tracking down. They are indeed in stock.)

-Vic.
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Vic Wertz wrote:

We just got our first shipment in; they should start going out tomorrow.

(in best Mr. Burns voice) "Egggggsellent, Smithers..."

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