Pathfinder Harrow Deck

Dancing Wind wrote:

KawasakiNinja wrote:

Get ready for a fan-made PDF/Images to be taking money away from possible Paizo sales numbers. *facepalm*

Why do you believe that Paizo would not protect their intellectual property? Derivative works are fully covered by copyright statutes.

I'm not condoning it, but it's foolish to believe this doesn't happen. Regularly.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

I agree that piracy is a regular occurrence. Paizo (and any publisher of print materials, for that matter) faces that problem with every item they sell.

So why is a three-month delay on this product more serious than previous product delays? Why is it especially vulnerable to piracy, more so than any other of their publications?

There are two other earlier editions of this product in existence, so I don't see that a 3rd version is somehow more prone to piracy than anything else Paizo publishes. Why is this a *facepalm*, self-inflicted wound?

KawasakiNinja wrote:

Dancing Wind wrote:

KawasakiNinja wrote:

Get ready for a fan-made PDF/Images to be taking money away from possible Paizo sales numbers. *facepalm*

Why do you believe that Paizo would not protect their intellectual property? Derivative works are fully covered by copyright statutes.

I'm not condoning it, but it's foolish to believe this doesn't happen. Regularly.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

I agree that piracy is a regular occurrence. Paizo (and any publisher of print materials, for that matter) faces that problem with every item they sell.

So why is a three-month delay on this product more serious than previous product delays? Why is it especially vulnerable to piracy, more so than any other of their publications?

There are two other earlier editions of this product in existence, so I don't see that a 3rd version is somehow more prone to piracy than anything else Paizo publishes. Why is this a *facepalm*, self-inflicted wound?

It's the lack of image files, not the delay in the print edition. Plenty of people complaining about it. Personally I use Roll20 most often so I'll have it there, but if I wanted to play elsewhere that did not have it I could not get it currently. Paizo is short changing themselves.

Leon Aquilla wrote:

Would love a Collectors Edition

Especially if it came with a Harrow Mat and/or carrying case.

I also think it would be amazing to have a full color larger size more in depth book guide of the Harrow cards that comes separate from the deck (Or you can sell as a Collector's Set). The book I am thinking of would be just like the tarot guide books that come with sets of tarot cards that are full of wonderful art and other ways to lay out or use the cards. That would be really awesome!!

Tea4Goblins wrote:

Leon Aquilla wrote:

Would love a Collectors Edition

Especially if it came with a Harrow Mat and/or carrying case.

I also think it would be amazing to have a full color larger size more in depth book guide of the Harrow cards that comes separate from the deck (Or you can sell as a Collector's Set). The book I am thinking of would be just like the tarot guide books that come with sets of tarot cards that are full of wonderful art and other ways to lay out or use the cards. That would be really awesome!!

That would be awesome!! Especially if it was able to include like lore regarding each card. I just got my deck this week, they are beautiful!

Update: This Harrow Deck has been moved from May to June 2023. We are not making a PDF/JPG version. We are in discussions with licensed partners and will say more at PaizoCon.

Correction. We are now planning offer a PDF/JPG version on release day. :)

Aaron Shanks wrote:

Update: This Harrow Deck has been moved from May to June 2023. We are not making a PDF/JPG version. We are in discussions with licensed partners and will say more at PaizoCon.

Correction. We are now planning offer a PDF/JPG version on release day. :)

I want to thank you and everyone involved in this decision! It's awesome when you listen to the fans :)

Aaron Shanks wrote:

Update: This Harrow Deck has been moved from May to June 2023. We are not making a PDF/JPG version. We are in discussions with licensed partners and will say more at PaizoCon.

Correction. We are now planning offer a PDF/JPG version on release day. :)

Much appreciated Aaron, thanks!!

I'm about to preorder them and just want to confirm there's a single version only, right?

No Deluxe/Collectors edition?

I'm about to preorder them and just want to confirm there's a single version only, right?

No Deluxe/Collectors edition?

After receiving this item this week, I would say this is as deluxe as it gets.

Unikatze wrote:

I'm about to preorder them and just want to confirm there's a single version only, right?

No Deluxe/Collectors edition?

After receiving this item this week, I would say this is as deluxe as it gets.

Nice

/Add to cart

Unikatze wrote:

I'm about to preorder them and just want to confirm there's a single version only, right?

No Deluxe/Collectors edition?

After receiving this item this week, I would say this is as deluxe as it gets.

Indeed, we made this one fancy from the start!

The original Harrow deck used the 9 alignments and 6 attributes as their base. Now that alignment has been removed as of the Remaster, will there be changes to the Harrow deck to reflect that?

What changes would it need? The original used suits and grid positions. There's no need to mention alignment with that.

The original Harrow deck used the 9 alignments and 6 attributes as their base. Now that alignment has been removed as of the Remaster, will there be changes to the Harrow deck to reflect that?

Nope.

Those nine alignments and the features they represent all still have real-world definitions (law, chaos, good, evil, and neutrality). The Harrow itself is, despite being organized around the nine alignments and six abilities, non-edition specific—those concepts can work jest as well for any game or even for real life.

If we do someday republish the Harrow deck, we'd adjust the formatting of the one rules element in there (the harrowing ritual) to follow the remastered rules, and we'd likely make slight changes to those five words (maybe going with heroism, villainy, order, chaos, and unaligned, for example)... but the card art itself wouldn't need any changes whatsoever.

Unless, say, another decade passed and we got the urge to freshen thigns up with new art. After all, just as there are different artworks of numerous tarot cards in this world, there are different artworks in-world in Golarion of the Harrow.

This is definitely on my list of must haves. (I just started a PF2e game, and I'm excited for the potential with the player characters and the players themselves. (Running The Fall of Plaguestone for them now) after that, there's talk of them sticking around Etran's Folly and one of the PCs has a storyline we're fleshing out (and then a redemption arc) and I think to culminate everything with running Stolen Fate for them (so I'll definitely want this Harrow Deck).

Lol! that was a long winded way to go about why I want it. :P

I'm so excited for mine to arrive!! I also just wanted to hop on to say thank you for adding a digital version-- really expands the utility of this deck for me, thank you!

Just read the rules booklet, and want to thank James Jacobs (I assume) for the wonderful sample harrowing.

Just read the rules booklet, and want to thank James Jacobs (I assume) for the wonderful sample harrowing.

Thanks! It was fun to write, and I'm glad we made sure to keep it in there... it was very close to being cut from the booklet for a while due to page space, but Sonja is a miracle worker when it comes to layout so it got to stay!

I always love when you get to write about those two.

Watch Paizo LIVE this Friday for more harrowing!

My deck came in yesterday. Wow they are larger than I anticipated!

These cards are absolutely gorgeous. My only issue is that there’s a glitter-like substance that keeps coming off on my hands.

Can anyone share the card dimensions? I want to get sleeves and I haven’t purchased the cards yet. Thank you.

Can anyone share the card dimensions? I want to get sleeves and I haven’t purchased the cards yet. Thank you.

4 3/4 x 2 3/4 inches, as I understand.

That's about right. :-)

drakkonflye wrote:

The original Harrow deck used the 9 alignments and 6 attributes as their base. Now that alignment has been removed as of the Remaster, will there be changes to the Harrow deck to reflect that?

Nope.

Those nine alignments and the features they represent all still have real-world definitions (law, chaos, good, evil, and neutrality). The Harrow itself is, despite being organized around the nine alignments and six abilities, non-edition specific—those concepts can work jest as well for any game or even for real life.

If we do someday republish the Harrow deck, we'd adjust the formatting of the one rules element in there (the harrowing ritual) to follow the remastered rules, and we'd likely make slight changes to those five words (maybe going with heroism, villainy, order, chaos, and unaligned, for example)... but the card art itself wouldn't need any changes whatsoever.

Unless, say, another decade passed and we got the urge to freshen thigns up with new art. After all, just as there are different artworks of numerous tarot cards in this world, there are different artworks in-world in Golarion of the Harrow.

I'd be very down for that, and I might start using those words instead starting now

As someone completely ignorant of tarrot decks and readings in real life, can anyone knowledgeable in that area speak to the using of the Harrow Deck in real life? Not wanting to open a can of worms, Im specifically speaking to the possibility of someone accidently delving into things they dont want to get into when using this set of cards. I have a family member that has had some 7npleasant experiences after playing with a tarrot deck.

As someone completely ignorant of tarrot decks and readings in real life, can anyone knowledgeable in that area speak to the using of the Harrow Deck in real life? Not wanting to open a can of worms, Im specifically speaking to the possibility of someone accidently delving into things they dont want to get into when using this set of cards. I have a family member that has had some 7npleasant experiences after playing with a tarrot deck.

It really depends on what you believe about tarot and tarot cards.

If, like Alice In Wonderland, you decide that "you're nothing but a pack of cards", then this deck of cards won't have you "delving into things they don't want to get into"

If you believe that the images that Pamela Colman Smith painted in 1909 have some special significance, then these very different images obviously won't have the same significance.

Since that deck was published, thousands of other decks with different images have also been published as "tarot decks". Some people believe those images are just as effective as the original 1909 images, some people don't.

If you believe that tarot readings open up a portal for mystic or spiritual communication, these images may or may not affect you the same way. They are, after all, brand new images designed under the guideance of James Jacobs and use a different symbolic framework (there are no rods/wands, cups/chalices, swords, or coins).

Some people use tarot decks as story-telling prompts, and this deck can also be used that way. If you believe that imagery (of any kind) can help you access your own subconscious thoughts and feelings, then these cards work as well as any.

In the end, it comes down to what you believe about mystical events and why a person might experience them. Or what you believe about your unconscious and what happens when you gain access to it.

The deck might simply help you tell better rpg stories. Or it might give you access to knowledge you'd rather not have.

In the end, no one else can predict what might trigger someone and what experiences and responses they might have to that trigger.