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Figured this is a good place to bring this up.
Putting an acronym in the title is not good from an accessibility standpoint. Should probably be "Gamemastery Core" or "Game Master Core". I presume there's no way to change this now before this goes to print. Figured the name was just an abbreviation before I saw the final product page.
Also, do we know if this or the Monster Core 1 will have anything on what monster abilities are appropriate for what minimum levels? The numbers guidance provided is solid enough, but what would be nice is something like what action-compressions are acceptable at what levels? Like what level does one go from Grab to Improved Grab, at least roughly? Draconic Momentum, Double Slice, the Amalgam's Too Many Limbs, the Doprillu's Whirling Strike and Whirlwind Throw, what levels are any of these okay at? What condition numbers are okay at what levels. For example, if you go up levels you'll note that monsters start capping the drained they inflict at 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, but there is no indication in the monster creation guides about when this is fine. What is acceptable scaling for poisons and the conditions attached? Things like that make creating homebrew monsters much harder.
Thank you for your input. The names are decided.
Those Monster Core details are not yet available.
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I'm very excited to get my hands on this. Thank you for all the hard work!
It is a very good idea to split up the GM and player information into separate core books. Probably will help a lot with rule lawyering -- and generally make this a lot more fun to play. GMs will now be more able to use these rules as guidance rather than law. They will have more of an ability to alter rules for their games as needed. Very, very good move!!
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I'm very much looking forward to the "Remaster" series of books. I think it is the right move to publish Paizo material under the ORC license. I'm very much hoping that Paizo is very careful to remove all WotC intellectual property from the books. I don't want a protracted lawsuit. I just want to put the whole thing behind us and move on without WotC or their interference.
I can't wait. Thank you, Paizo, for all the hard work.
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The description of this product says it’s 336 pages. The lines at the bottom of the description say that the special and pocket editions are 640 pages. Somebody copied and pasted and forgot to edit the numbers.
It's not Pathfinder 2.5, more like Pathfinder 2.1. The game engine and the math behind it hasn't changed, but they've removed OGL material from game, updated the game with a ton of errata, and made the layout of the books much easier for new players.
Other than that, yes. GM Core will replace the Gamemastery Guide eventually, same with Player Core replacing the Core Rulebook. And you can certainly keep using the old books with the new Remaster version of the rules.
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I've been away from Pathfinder for a while. Are these new 'Core' books basically Pathfinder 2.5, and replacing the current single-volume core rulebook?
Will you be able to continue with the game using the existing books, or will you need the new books to use future supplements? Thanks.
Yeah people here will tell you that it's not 2.5 but that's being disingenuous at best. To me it's as big of a change as 3.0 to 3.5 was.
They've removed alignment with effects how more than a few spells work as well as some class abilities so those are fundamentally changed.They've also removed spell schools which again changes a bit how wizards work.
I did a lot of converting from 3.0 to 3.5 back in the day and was able to run those converted supplements and adventures with minimum hassle. That's NOT going to be the case with going from PF2 to PF2 remaster.
Spells are being renamed, monsters are being renamed, how some classes work are being changed. I've been watching all of the interviews and panels about the remaster since it was announced. The individual changes on their own don't seem like much. But when taken into account as a WHOLE? I don't see how people can make the argument that it's a 2.1 update with a straight face.
I look forward to the finished remaster rules and I 100% understand and support why Paizo and its designers are doing this. But to say that it's not AT LEAST a .5 update is...not really rooted in a practical reality
aka marketing speak.
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It's basically the exact same stuff we got told for the conversion from 3.0 to 3.5 back then.
And, hey, I'm all FOR the Remaster, it's what got me to finally convert over from 1E (and eventually my players, too, ahem), buy all the hardcover rulebooks except the CRB and APG (due to Player Core 1+2 obsoleting them), re-suscribe to the rulebook and AP lines for Pathfinder AND Starfinder and get into PFS. I actually want BIGGER changes, especially now that the Kineticist has decisively shown that you can balance spellcasters around the action economy and they will function just fine, no daily limited spell slots needed for that.
But I guess some people are terrified that the people who converted over from D&D 5E and bought their CRB's will run away again if they hear that they'll need to buy the new Remaster rulebooks. Therefore everybody who points out how big the changes already are from what we know by this point (with probably much more to come in Player Core 2) must be firmly told that "it's only 2.1, you hear! NOT 2.5!". ^^
Buying all the Remaster books is going to be expensive. I'm going to do it anyway. So what if I don't eat for a month or two? :-)
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Buying all the Remaster books is going to be expensive. I'm going to do it anyway. So what if I don't eat for a month or two? :-)
Yup. Each book is going to be the price of the ONE 2E CRB.
The PF2E CRB = $59.99
The PF2E BESTIARY = $49.99
The PF2E BESTIARY 2 = $49.99
The PF2E BESTIARY 3 = $49.99
And these came out 3-4 years ago.
Now:
Remaster Player Core = $59.99
Remaster GM Core = $59.99
Remaster Monster Core = $59.99
Remaster Player Core 2 = $59.99
Again I understand and support why Paizo is doing this, but the more I think about this the more I think it's super risky financially. I don't see the excitement for this that I saw for PF2E because it's so soon after PF2E. And as a fan, I've already decided that for the time being I can't support this with my hobby dollars. I'd like to but, rationally the math isnt mathing for me. I'm going to stick with PF2E and let that just be my jumping-off point with PF and Paizo.
Maybe I'll change my mind at a later date (I've done it before) but there are more than a few things I have an issue with regarding this remaster in terms of rules changes. I'm not averse to changes but the removal of alignment and spell schools is a big one for me and I'm not sure if I can look past it. It's good for Paizo as a brand and they NEED to separate themselves from D&D to be their own thing. But I've been playing long enough where while not perfect, alignment and spell schools represent enough of a relevant shorthand where if they're not part of the system I might as well be playing or running a different game. Which I suppose at this point, the remaster IS.
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Buying all the Remaster books is going to be expensive. I'm going to do it anyway. So what if I don't eat for a month or two? :-)Yup. Each book is going to be the price of the ONE 2E CRB.
The PF2E CRB = $59.99
The PF2E BESTIARY = $49.99
The PF2E BESTIARY 2 = $49.99
The PF2E BESTIARY 3 = $49.99And these came out 3-4 years ago.
Now:
Remaster Player Core = $59.99
Remaster GM Core = $59.99
Remaster Monster Core = $59.99
Remaster Player Core 2 = $59.99Again I understand and support why Paizo is doing this, but the more I think about this the more I think it's super risky financially. I don't see the excitement for this that I saw for PF2E because it's so soon after PF2E. And as a fan, I've already decided that for the time being I can't support this with my hobby dollars. I'd like to but, rationally the math isnt mathing for me. I'm going to stick with PF2E and let that just be my jumping-off point with PF and Paizo.
Maybe I'll change my mind at a later date (I've done it before) but there are more than a few things I have an issue with regarding this remaster in terms of rules changes. I'm not averse to changes but the removal of alignment and spell schools is a big one for me and I'm not sure if I can look past it. It's good for Paizo as a brand and they NEED to separate themselves from D&D to be their own thing. But I've been playing long enough where while not perfect, alignment and spell schools represent enough of a relevant shorthand where if they're not part of the system I might as well be playing or running a different game. Which I suppose at this point, the remaster IS.
Not sure why you're comparing the Core set of books to the CRB and the first 3 Bestiaries. You should be comparing them to the prices of the CRB, APG, first Bestiary and the GMG. 'Though honestly, it'd math out the same. The price increase has already been attributed to the increased costs of making books and shipping them from their printers in China. So that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.
But it's been said by Paizo themselves that this wasn't a big money move. They COULD have just said "screw it" and pushed for a PF3E and generated a ton of revenue from it, as new editions tend to be extremely profitable when they first release. But they elected to do otherwise, as they saw the value of the community they already grew out from PF2E, and knew this situation was more about preserving open gaming and keeping their company safe from WotC than turning over a quick buck.
Some designers from Paizo have even encouraged people NOT to pick up these books if said people were on the fence about it. Paizo is putting in a way for Rulebook subscribers to skip out on the Remaster book releases, and as always, they encourage folks to check out any changes on Archives of Nethys. They know this isn't a financially safe move. But it was never about making tons of money to begin with.
I'm probably not gonna pick up the books myself, due to my current financial situation. But I know I can just wait for the .PDFs to drop for $20 a book in November, or forgo it all to read it for free on AoN. No sweat off my back.
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In spite of what the First Liar tells us, inflation is a thing.
Putting the items back in the GM guide is a step back, going back to that old style of splitting things up like from D&D. Would be curious to know if the reasoning is page count ballooning in the Player Core getting out of hand, the proliferation of the internet tools like AoN making it less of an issue, or financial so it would not be as "skippable" a book like the last two GM guides could be?
From what we’ve been told, having “everything” in one massive tome was as much as a draw as it was a deterrent. So splitting them makes them more manageable.
also the previous GMG book wasn’t really shippable as it had the npc building rules in it.
It was skippable if you didn't intend to build any monsters (not me but many players likely felt that way).
Cutting down on page count probably helped to keep prices down and moving items to GMG helps to allow them to expand rules in other areas as well. Player Core has more ancestries and versatile heritages that aren't in the CRB.
