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Hope this version comes with rules of Tower card game x'DIt doesn't. This version focuses on the cards' use as a fortune-telling tool. You can still play Towers with this deck but you'll need to reference other places for those rules. Towers as an in-game element plays no role in Stolen Fate (as far as I can remember).
I think only way to get those rules officially is in the 3.5 non deluxe version of harrow deck though, the 1e deluxe version of harrow didn't reprint the tower rules ^^;
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The Towers rules can be found in this old thread:
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r56w?i-cant-seem-to-find-the-rules-on-how-to- play#5
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I think only way to get those rules officially is in the 3.5 non deluxe version of harrow deck though, the 1e deluxe version of harrow didn't reprint the tower rules ^^;Hope this version comes with rules of Tower card game x'DIt doesn't. This version focuses on the cards' use as a fortune-telling tool. You can still play Towers with this deck but you'll need to reference other places for those rules. Towers as an in-game element plays no role in Stolen Fate (as far as I can remember).
Not everything is forever, in other words. We can't keep everything in print in perpetuity.
How does this deck compare with the two previous versions?
Deemiplane is going to have it as a source to buy when it comes out at least.
Thank god for small miracles ;)
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How does this deck compare with the two previous versions?
It has all new art, and while a few of the cards have been renamed, they all represent the same symbolic roles as the previous deck. It's also got bigger cards that are shinier and fancier than the previous deck's cards.
How does this deck compare with the two previous versions?It has all new art, and while a few of the cards have been renamed, they all represent the same symbolic roles as the previous deck. It's also got bigger cards that are shinier and fancier than the previous deck's cards.
Very fun! Are the new card names printed in Stolen Fate, or will we need to wait for this product to have the whole deck list?
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Very fun! Are the new card names printed in Stolen Fate, or will we need to wait for this product to have the whole deck list?How does this deck compare with the two previous versions?It has all new art, and while a few of the cards have been renamed, they all represent the same symbolic roles as the previous deck. It's also got bigger cards that are shinier and fancier than the previous deck's cards.
The new names appear in the Adventure Path when the context comes up, but to get out ahead of it, the name changes are as follows:
The Idiot card is now The Fool.
The Mute Hag card is now The Silent Hag.
I believe those are the only two name changes.
Very fun! Are the new card names printed in Stolen Fate, or will we need to wait for this product to have the whole deck list?How does this deck compare with the two previous versions?It has all new art, and while a few of the cards have been renamed, they all represent the same symbolic roles as the previous deck. It's also got bigger cards that are shinier and fancier than the previous deck's cards.The new names appear in the Adventure Path when the context comes up, but to get out ahead of it, the name changes are as follows:
The Idiot card is now The Fool.
The Mute Hag card is now The Silent Hag.I believe those are the only two name changes.
Awesome! Thanks, James.
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Was going to run Stolen Fate once my group wraps up AV. Also deeply sad that this is no longer going to be available digitally, as I no longer have any reason to buy it in that case.
Isn't the Harrow deck deeply tied to Alignment? How is it going to be affected by the PF2e remastered removing alignment?
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Very fun! Are the new card names printed in Stolen Fate, or will we need to wait for this product to have the whole deck list?How does this deck compare with the two previous versions?It has all new art, and while a few of the cards have been renamed, they all represent the same symbolic roles as the previous deck. It's also got bigger cards that are shinier and fancier than the previous deck's cards.The new names appear in the Adventure Path when the context comes up, but to get out ahead of it, the name changes are as follows:
The Idiot card is now The Fool.
The Mute Hag card is now The Silent Hag.I believe those are the only two name changes.
The Fool card sounds cooler anyway though that might be tarot references in my brain speaking :D
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Isn't the Harrow deck deeply tied to Alignment? How is it going to be affected by the PF2e remastered removing alignment?
It is, but it's not so much tied to the rules concept of alignment as it is the English language definition of those words.
Side note about my initial design for how the Harrow would be set up:
I wanted the deck to feel like it lived in and came from the game we were writing for too, beyond simply using Golarion-themed imagery. I wanted the cards themselves to feel like they came from the 3.5 rules (the rules we were using at the time for our adventures), especially since the cards needed to somehow tie to the player characters.
I hit on the idea of using six suits with 9 cards in each suit pretty early, because 6 x 9 = 54, which is perfectly doable with a deck of playing cards if you include both jokers. So that made it doable in a physical product sense, but also doable for gamers who couldn't afford it and wanted to sub-in the regular playing cards.
The next step was to figure out what those numbers mapped to best in our game, and it was pretty much an instant match of 6 ability scores and 9 alignments, things that every class has, and concepts every D&D/Pathfinder gamer would instantly understand. It also immediately gave Kyle Hunter an art brief. He had to design 54 images using Golarion lore based on the idea of "one version for each alignment focused on each of the ability scores." Knowing you have to do an image for a lawful evil dexterity card or a chaotic good wisdom card and all that is a lot of fun and REALLY sparked a lot of the creativity.
And the end product worked very well for PCs too, since it has a built-in "you have a best card in there that's YOUR card, based on your PCs' alignment and your highest/most important ability score" and vice-versa. Making it all around a great tool for us when we were creating "Curse of the Crimson Throne."
In a game without nine alignments, the cards don't make as much sense from a game rules standpoint, but the cards still work very well regardless of that. Because even if your character doesn't have a two-word shortcut summary of their philosophy and personality, you'll still have a philosophy and personality and if you know how the game's previous alignment system worked, figuring out what your key card is shouldn't be that hard.
That all said, the revised Harrow deck and its associated Adventure Path, Stolen Fate, are all 100% OGL adventures that do not use the the remastered rules, nor were they designed for it, since when all of this started happening earlier this year, all three of those adventures were either already at the printer or only a few weeks away from going to the printer, so none of those products are affected by the removal of alignment from the remastered rules.
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Isn't the Harrow deck deeply tied to Alignment? How is it going to be affected by the PF2e remastered removing alignment?
In several of the harrow spreads (from earlier harrow products), law-neutral-chaos tracked with past-present-future, and good-neutral-evil tracked with weal-neutral-woe.
Looks like this will be released for Foundry; from their Discord:
Perform Harrow Readings Right in Foundry VTT
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If you would like to explore your character's fate we're excited to share that we'll be releasing the Harrow Deck from Paizo soon™️. It includes 54 gorgeous cards, a new interface for performing card readings, a history of Harrow and how it works, and is compatible with any game system on Foundry VTT! That means whether you play Pathfinder 2nd Edition (where it fits in perfectly with the Stolen Fates AP) or Honey Heist you can read the cards and discover your player's fates.We'll be able to share more on this next week so keep your eyes open!
Will it contain the Yellow Prophet?
Please let the Yellow Prophet be in there.
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Looks like this will be released for Foundry; from their Discord:
Perform Harrow Readings Right in Foundry VTT
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If you would like to explore your character's fate we're excited to share that we'll be releasing the Harrow Deck from Paizo soon™️. It includes 54 gorgeous cards, a new interface for performing card readings, a history of Harrow and how it works, and is compatible with any game system on Foundry VTT! That means whether you play Pathfinder 2nd Edition (where it fits in perfectly with the Stolen Fates AP) or Honey Heist you can read the cards and discover your player's fates.We'll be able to share more on this next week so keep your eyes open!
Foundry is great and all, but this really leaves people who use alternative VTTs high and dry, a zip full of jpegs is really all I'm asking for here.
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I will most likely get the Foundry module since this is the VTT that I use to play, but I would also like to add my voice to those who deeply regret the decision not to offer a separate digital version (PDF, webp, jpg, png, whatever).
This is especially bad for those of us who do not live in the US and already endure very high shipping costs to keep our subscriptions and have the money go directly to Paizo instead of using other - sometimes cheaper - options.
Foundry is great and all, but this really leaves people who use alternative VTTs high and dry, a zip full of jpegs is really all I'm asking for here.Looks like this will be released for Foundry; from their Discord:
Perform Harrow Readings Right in Foundry VTT
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If you would like to explore your character's fate we're excited to share that we'll be releasing the Harrow Deck from Paizo soon™️. It includes 54 gorgeous cards, a new interface for performing card readings, a history of Harrow and how it works, and is compatible with any game system on Foundry VTT! That means whether you play Pathfinder 2nd Edition (where it fits in perfectly with the Stolen Fates AP) or Honey Heist you can read the cards and discover your player's fates.We'll be able to share more on this next week so keep your eyes open!
If Foundry is doing it, I'd assume Roll20 could do so as well...??? I found this on the Foundry Discord, so no idea what others may be doing.
Also, I think you should be able to access all of the images and such once the module has been installed. Not as nice as a PDF, but may be workable for some.
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Will it contain the Yellow Prophet?
Please let the Yellow Prophet be in there.
No.
This is only the core cards. We don't include any of the apocryphal cards in the set, because they disrupt the deck's balance of 6 abilities and 9 alignments for a 54 card set with confusing options that don't belong in a base Harrow set.
(We DID have a yellow prophet encounter in one of the adventures, but we had to chagne that because the art came in late without the correct colors, alas.)
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Will it contain the Yellow Prophet?
Please let the Yellow Prophet be in there.No.
This is only the core cards. We don't include any of the apocryphal cards in the set, because they disrupt the deck's balance of 6 abilities and 9 alignments for a 54 card set with confusing options that don't belong in a base Harrow set.
(We DID have a yellow prophet encounter in one of the adventures, but we had to chagne that because the art came in late without the correct colors, alas.)
How did they get the colours of a yellow prophet wrong? It's in the name!
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How did they get the colours of a yellow prophet wrong? It's in the name!Will it contain the Yellow Prophet?
Please let the Yellow Prophet be in there.No.
This is only the core cards. We don't include any of the apocryphal cards in the set, because they disrupt the deck's balance of 6 abilities and 9 alignments for a 54 card set with confusing options that don't belong in a base Harrow set.
(We DID have a yellow prophet encounter in one of the adventures, but we had to chagne that because the art came in late without the correct colors, alas.)
Because the name of the art in question was not "Yellow Prophet."
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Do we already know how big those cards will be?
We do at Paizo, for sure! :-P
I don't have the exact measurements on hand, but these cards are bigger than the previous ones; they're at the same size as most deluxury tarot cards if I recall correctly.
How come this product was delayed a month, but Foundry has already released it for sale?
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The Idiot card is now The Fool.
The Mute Hag card is now The Silent Hag.I believe those are the only two name changes.
The Foreign Trader is now The Trader (just for records!)
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Isn't the Harrow deck deeply tied to Alignment? How is it going to be affected by the PF2e remastered removing alignment?It is, but it's not so much tied to the rules concept of alignment as it is the English language definition of those words.
Side note about my initial design for how the Harrow would be set up:
** spoiler omitted **...
Note too that the 9 major Outer plans are not going anywhere. So, for example, the LG cards are now the Heaven cards ... which is likely how they were already called in setting.
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Note too that the 9 major Outer plans are not going anywhere. So, for example, the LG cards are now the Heaven cards ... which is likely how they were already called in setting.Isn't the Harrow deck deeply tied to Alignment? How is it going to be affected by the PF2e remastered removing alignment?It is, but it's not so much tied to the rules concept of alignment as it is the English language definition of those words.
Side note about my initial design for how the Harrow would be set up:
** spoiler omitted **...
As I mentioned in the other thread where you brought this up, that's a bit overwhelming and spicy of a change for the Harrow.
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Roll20 now has it up for sale as well, AND they will have Stolen Fate AP out as well when the 3rd module drops on the street date!!
Still a bit bummed no free PDF as it still does'nt have one here, but now I got my virtual cards at least!!
Thanks Paizo and Roll20!!
Tom
The glimpse we got from James at Paizocon has made me really want these cards; will be great to use at the table
The glimpse we got from James at Paizocon has made me really want these cards; will be great to use at the tableWhat all was shown? I didn't get a chance to see and I'm not sure where else has any info on this specifically.
During the Pathfinder Adventures panel, he had a nice showing of the case and showed off some of the cards
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I'm not condoning it, but it's foolish to believe this doesn't happen. Regularly.Get ready for a fan-made PDF/Images to be taking money away from possible Paizo sales numbers. *facepalm*Why do you believe that Paizo would not protect their intellectual property? Derivative works are fully covered by copyright statutes.
No one was saying it wasn't for you to need to "correct" the assumption, you prompted the conversation. Why?