Pathfinder Adventure Path #181: Zombie Feast (Blood Lords 1 of 6) (Foundry VTT) Bundle

If I'm reading the note correctly, if I buy the pdf first and then this module it will cost me 40$, if I do it the other way it will be just 30$.

Does this make sense? This didn't happen for the other Foundry modules.

If you already own the PDF, follow the link in the note above and you'll be able to purchase for $19.99, if you don't, it will cost you $29.99 but you'll get the PDF for free

The main draw of the PDF first is for those of us who have subscriptions, so get a free PDF with our physical copy. If you're only buying the PDF, it's best to buy this on its own and get the PDF for free.

Dunno, passing on that one I guess? 30$ with a 10$ PDF discount is too much. It moved from "no brainer" to "am I making enough money per month to justify spending another 30$ on top of a 25$ book that I bought as well".

It's even more expensive than the FG module now and since I get everything except the maps for free, I'm just gonna do it manually again.

I mean for me the soundsets, the lighting, the walls being done for me, and the quality increase in the maps are all well worth $30. You have to remember the extra work that goes into that, someone needs to be paid for their labor and $30 is more than fair

Right, but I suppose 100$ would be a fair price as well, since I can just use those prep hours to work at my company and buy the module then?

Sarcasm aside, it's a hefty price tag to ask in a global recession, immense inflation, rent and energy price increases for something that is essentially optional. I'm sure that the upper class will pay for this, but they also paid for the Fantasy Grounds price clown fiesta

I mean in the end, all roleplaying game products are that. Nobody needs an RPG product to live. The developers also are living in a recession and also deserve to make money. These are luxury purchases, not necessities.

I mean in the end, all roleplaying game products are that. Nobody needs an RPG product to live. The developers also are living in a recession and also deserve to make money. These are luxury purchases, not necessities.

Totally true, but as a subscriber, it stings that functionally I get to pay 100% more for just the foundry module than if I were to just buy the PDF and module outside of a subscription.

Hopefully this will be looked at in a timely manner after GenCon.

They really need to go back and take a closer look at this. Ive already come across multiple spots where Outlaws AP information is just thrown randomly into journal entries. The very first one being as soon as you open up the Chapter 1 Journal Entry and it lists the bank Brokers. Idk how this made it past Quality Control.

Odd question, if I don't use foundry can I purchase this and export the maps?

I mean in the end, all roleplaying game products are that. Nobody needs an RPG product to live. The developers also are living in a recession and also deserve to make money. These are luxury purchases, not necessities.

This is the opposite of good sales/marketing. You're supposed to tell people why they should buy something, not talk them out of it.

I know you really want that "Forum Cheerleader" title but wow are you not helping.

Anyways -- book subscribers get a free PDF of 20$ value. Seems fair to me.

But if you're a digital-only player that hardly helps you, and everyone's been griping about that. If I was a VTT-only player I would view this bundle as quite a deal and worthy of my patronage. Maybe if they do well it'll become a subscription item.

Odd question, if I don't use foundry can I purchase this and export the maps?

You need the foundry client to actually download it. Afterwards it is just a folder with the images and audiofiles in there so it is easy to use it in a different way.

Cori Marie wrote:

I mean in the end, all roleplaying game products are that. Nobody needs an RPG product to live. The developers also are living in a recession and also deserve to make money. These are luxury purchases, not necessities.

This is the opposite of good sales/marketing. You're supposed to tell people why they should buy something, not talk them out of it.

I know you really want that "Forum Cheerleader" title but wow are you not helping.

Anyways -- book subscribers get a free PDF of 20$ value. Seems fair to me.

But if you're a digital-only player that hardly helps you, and everyone's been griping about that. If I was a VTT-only player I would view this bundle as quite a deal and worthy of my patronage. Maybe if they do well it'll become a subscription item.

This may surprise you, but Cori Marie is not a Paizo employee.

Rampant upselling is the opposite of "good sales".

The creatives who make these products and accessories need to be paid too so they can keep making them.

If it comes down to "some might not be able to afford this" and "we can't afford to stay in business and keep producing content", which do you think is gonna fly?

Yeah I was wondering when I suddenly got hired, and if so where my paycheck has been.

Yeah I was wondering when I suddenly got hired, and if so where my paycheck has been.

Given the state of CS here, I'd reckon you're better at directing than some dedicated staff.

Anyways, I love the work Sigil put into this module, looking forward to seeing more of them.

They really need to go back and take a closer look at this. Ive already come across multiple spots where Outlaws AP information is just thrown randomly into journal entries. The very first one being as soon as you open up the Chapter 1 Journal Entry and it lists the bank Brokers. Idk how this made it past Quality Control.

Especially if PDF owners are now paying so much more for these than the previous Foundry modules, I'd hope they had polished these better.

Gosh, maybe you should use the reporting feature in the module to report errors so they can correct them. The modules aren't made by Paizo staff, so it's less likely that leaving feedback here will help anything.

Gosh, maybe you should use the reporting feature in the module to report errors so they can correct them. The modules aren't made by Paizo staff, so it's less likely that leaving feedback here will help anything.

That would require me purchasing the product, which the increased pricing and comments here about alleged drop in QC have dissuaded me from :)

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Starting with Blood Lords volume 2, which releases next week on 8/31, we plan to make additional changes to our Foundry VTT module prices to address some of the issues we inadvertently caused when we adjusted them for volume 1. More details can be found in this thread.

additional changes to our Foundry VTT module prices

Wait... am I reading this right? So instead of just making the total paid equal $29.99 for everyone, even if you bought the PDF first, the solution was to raise the price to $34.99?

People are complaining about paying $19.99 if they already bought the PDF... In your example from the post you linked above, buying the the PDF gives a discount of $16 off the price of $34.99.

So now everyone gets a bigger price tag but those who bought the PDF first would be paying $18.99 instead of $19.99. Not sure a difference of $1 is much of a solution when you're paying $5 more for the bundle...

Wait... am I reading this right?

Not quite. We're trying to fix two different issues here.

The first issue was that when the PDF+module bundle was $29.99 and the module alone was $19.99 for PDF owners, people who bought the PDF on its own and then bought the module were paying a total of $8.99 more than people who bought the bundle. That wasn't what we wanted, which is why we're offering an $8.99 credit to everyone who was affected.

The second issue is that the feedback we've received ... and with which, having considered our options, we agree ... overwhelmingly indicates a preference that the discount for owning the PDF be equal to the value of the PDF rather than being arbitrarily set at $10.

The experience of producing our first three modules has given us a more accurate picture of how much these modules cost to produce, which was why we decided that we needed to raise prices in the first place. Having decided that a more sustainable price point was somewhere in the $16-20 range, our initial plan was to offer the module alone for $19.99 to PDF owners, with the module+PDF bundle going for $10 more. Now that we're basing the discount on the price of the PDF, we're setting the price of the module alone at $16 and simply adding the cost of the PDF to calculate the total price of the bundle.

This does mean that the price of the bundle is $5 higher with a PDF that sells for $18.99, but it also means that the total price of the bundle can decrease if the PDF is cheaper, and it means we can set the price for the module alone to $4 less than it is right now.

WinHig wrote:

Wait... am I reading this right?

Not quite. We're trying to fix two different issues here.

The first issue was that when the PDF+module bundle was $29.99 and the module alone was $19.99 for PDF owners, people who bought the PDF on its own and then bought the module were paying a total of $8.99 more than people who bought the bundle. That wasn't what we wanted, which is why we're offering an $8.99 credit to everyone who was affected.

The second issue is that the feedback we've received ... and with which, having considered our options, we agree ... overwhelmingly indicates a preference that the discount for owning the PDF be equal to the value of the PDF rather than being arbitrarily set at $10.

The experience of producing our first three modules has given us a more accurate picture of how much these modules cost to produce, which was why we decided that we needed to raise prices in the first place. Having decided that a more sustainable price point was somewhere in the $16-20 range, our initial plan was to offer the module alone for $19.99 to PDF owners, with the module+PDF bundle going for $10 more. Now that we're basing the discount on the price of the PDF, we're setting the price of the module alone at $16 and simply adding the cost of the PDF to calculate the total price of the bundle.

This does mean that the price of the bundle is $5 higher with a PDF that sells for $18.99, but it also means that the total price of the bundle can decrease if the PDF is cheaper, and it means we can set the price for the module alone to $4 less than it is right now.

For anybody who can't get subscriptions, that essentially does mean that the price is $5 higher? There's no discount to getting the bundle anymore.

It's not a coincidence that I have not posted in the forums for a long time. That is not meant to be dramatic or negative, just that this product made want to actually share some thoughts about it.

I am not affiliated with any party or any distinct individual related to this product. I paid for it.

I'm not sure about whatever happened with previous offerings (Frozen Flame, etc.), but I am really impressed with what the VTT Team / Sigil has done here with this specific chapter. There is an amazing attention to detail which surpasses the AP Chapter products sold for use by other popular VTTs.

Looking at the cost on top of the PDF, there is no question of the value here for me. I have used VTTs (Maptools) since before Roll20 and Foundry were a thing. I know the effort it takes to put on a good presentation. As a Foundry user this was worth my money.

If you disagree with the cost of the PDF AND THAT reflects on how you feel about this digital VTT product- that's a different conversation. One of which I'm not going to get into. To each their own.

But Sigil / Foundry VTT is not fleecing anybody with this specific digital product. I never bought a premium module for Foundry before this specific one, but lordy, my personal time has value too. (I have bought them for Roll20) They put some effort in for the additional expense (on top of the PDF) they're asking for.

Again, not shilling for any party. I'm being authentic here.

PS: I don't usually do reviews. I might this time because this is a digital product based upon a separate written product. There is degree of separation here I might be comfortable with in order to post a review. If I do decide to, it'll be the next month or so after I have ran the adventure on Foundry. You never know what kinks you might find. That said I can praise the product today because 10+ years of VTT experience gives me an insight to what look for. I installed it and examined it carefully. Everything so far exceeds my expectations. My motive for posting is to encourage others to be objective so this type of product will continue to be offered.

Cori Marie wrote:

Gosh, maybe you should use the reporting feature in the module to report errors so they can correct them. The modules aren't made by Paizo staff, so it's less likely that leaving feedback here will help anything.

That would require me purchasing the product, which the increased pricing and comments here about alleged drop in QC have dissuaded me from :)

I did this and guess what - they werent fixed. I even went into their Discord and they said they would fix it. Guess what? Still hasn't been fixed. It is pretty obvious what they care about and it isn't quality.

Have a little patience, bud. Things aren't a snap your fingers and get a fix, and right now the team is more focused on making sure that the modules work with Foundry v. 10 than anything else.

Have a little patience, bud. Things aren't a snap your fingers and get a fix, and right now the team is more focused on making sure that the modules work with Foundry v. 10 than anything else.

Just curious, do you work for / represent Sigil?

Corie Marie is just a helpful and civil person on these boards.

Corie Marie is just a helpful and civil person on these boards.

Thanks, I didn't know if it was a case of an end user being helpful or a company representative being helpful.

They really need to go back and take a closer look at this. Ive already come across multiple spots where Outlaws AP information is just thrown randomly into journal entries. The very first one being as soon as you open up the Chapter 1 Journal Entry and it lists the bank Brokers. Idk how this made it past Quality Control.

Hello, as others have likely mentioned, bug reporting through landing page journals it the best way to get this to module developers to fix and respond. But to respond to this here, the issue was fixed with version 1.0.1 on 25 Aug 2022. We (the developers) also identified and documented this specific issue's root cause to avoid a repeat error in the future.