Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens

..."Upcoming Playtest"? Are you saying there is another playtest separate from Guns & Gears coming up? If so, where did you learn this?

I believe AnimatedPaper wrote the text quoted above before we knew about Guns & Gears. The "upcoming playtest" is that of the Gunslinger and Inventor ;-)

There is no playtest after the current Guns & Gears Playtest.

Secrets of Magic is scheduled for a July/Gen Con release.

Guns & Gears is scheduled for October.

I have no date for Absalom, City of Lost Omens. From a marketing perspective, I'd prefer September or December because we have Starfinder books in August and November. But I'll promote it as soon as we know. :)

Ashanderai wrote:

..."Upcoming Playtest"? Are you saying there is another playtest separate from Guns & Gears coming up? If so, where did you learn this?

I believe AnimatedPaper wrote the text quoted above before we knew about Guns & Gears. The "upcoming playtest" is that of the Gunslinger and Inventor ;-)

Ah, okay; thanks! My only excuse is that I still haven't had my coffee yet today.

I have no date for Absalom, City of Lost Omens. From a marketing perspective, I'd prefer September or December because we have Starfinder books in August and November. But I'll promote it as soon as we know. :)

Don't worry, we'll keep poking and bugging y'all in the meanwhile.

Ashanderai wrote:

..."Upcoming Playtest"? Are you saying there is another playtest separate from Guns & Gears coming up? If so, where did you learn this?

I believe AnimatedPaper wrote the text quoted above before we knew about Guns & Gears. The "upcoming playtest" is that of the Gunslinger and Inventor ;-)

Yes exactly. I actually wrote it in response to someone that was assuming the playtest we're finishing now was going to be Summoners and Magi, redux instead of new classes.

I apologize for the confusion. I hadn't yet had coffee either, lol.

The Raven Black wrote:

Ashanderai wrote:

..."Upcoming Playtest"? Are you saying there is another playtest separate from Guns & Gears coming up? If so, where did you learn this?

I believe AnimatedPaper wrote the text quoted above before we knew about Guns & Gears. The "upcoming playtest" is that of the Gunslinger and Inventor ;-)

Yes exactly. I actually wrote it in response to someone that was assuming the playtest we're finishing now was going to be Summoners and Magi, redux instead of new classes.

I apologize for the confusion. I hadn't yet had coffee either, lol.

Note to add to this though: The book actually come out in October, so your estimate was very close.

Heh. I can't remember the last time I had coffee. :-)

When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

So I downloaded my subscriber copy of the Ancestry Guide today and for gillmen it says:

For information on playing an azarketi, see the “Azarketi Ancestry Web Supplement” on paizo.com or Absalom, City of Lost Omens.

Any ETA for either of these?

Aaron Shanks wrote:

When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

So I downloaded my subscriber copy of the Ancestry Guide today and for gillmen it says:

Quote:

For information on playing an azarketi, see the “Azarketi Ancestry Web Supplement” on paizo.com or Absalom, City of Lost Omens.

Any ETA for either of these?

The web supplement is coming on the 27th. Afaik no news on absalom, although apparently its in layout now so maybe april or may at the earliest?

The web supplement is coming on the 27th. Afaik no news on absalom, although apparently its in layout now so maybe april or may at the earliest?

If it's in layout, it has to go to the printer, be printed and then shipped by container back to the US. So you're looking at probably closer to September at the earliest.

I assume once it goes to the printer they should have a much better idea how long it will take to get back to their warehouse, so I would expect a new ETA once that happens.

zag01 wrote:

Aaron Shanks wrote:

When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

So I downloaded my subscriber copy of the Ancestry Guide today and for gillmen it says:

Quote:

For information on playing an azarketi, see the “Azarketi Ancestry Web Supplement” on paizo.com or Absalom, City of Lost Omens.

Any ETA for either of these?

The web supplement is coming on the 27th. Afaik no news on absalom, although apparently its in layout now so maybe april or may at the earliest?

There has been an update in the release of the web supplement. The date of the 27th was in error and should be the 24th. Same as the ancestory guide.

KaiBlob1 wrote:

The web supplement is coming on the 27th. Afaik no news on absalom, although apparently its in layout now so maybe april or may at the earliest?

If it's in layout, it has to go to the printer, be printed and then shipped by container back to the US. So you're looking at probably closer to September at the earliest.

I assume once it goes to the printer they should have a much better idea how long it will take to get back to their warehouse, so I would expect a new ETA once that happens.

I personally am assuming we won’t see it before December, but Aaron’s post suggesting September was on the table was only two weeks ago, so I would be delighted to be wrong.

Given he actually works at Paizo, he has better information than me. And of course stuff can get shuffled a bit if needed.

Yeah, the big question for this release is if they want to do it in sequence or if they will just put it on the market as soon as they can.

My general assumption is the latter, because a) putting in the Lost Omens sequence means another planned (or already created) book will be delayed or doubled on because of it and b) the marketing and hype has been pretty ongoing so I don't know how much of a run-up they will need to give it.

But I have absolutely zero insight. I'm probably personally just more hopeful for "release when available" because that means this book arrives earlier and nothing else is delayed. Perhaps that's a bit selfish, haha. :)

That's another reason I'm guessing December. I think they generally shy away from releasing big stuff in December or January, so something can go there without disrupting the rest of the schedule.

That said, Aaron said the same is true of September for this year, so that also would work from his point of view.

Another big wrench is Kingmaker though. Finishing that should free up some resources.

The fact that I would prefer September or any month for Marketing purposes was a whimsical statement and should in no way create the possibility or expectation of any particular month. Cease the conjecture; that way lies dragons. We will announce the month when we are certain. :)

If the worst effect of a global pandemic is that some glorious products have been delayed, or simply grow because we wanted to make them more awesome, I will count that as a win. :)

just more lore

Erik Mona said on reddit 13 hours ago that the internal projection for a release date is somewhere around november

Erik Mona said on reddit 13 hours ago that the internal projection for a release date is somewhere around november

He just spent a week of his vacation working on it so he should know. :/

Erik Mona said on reddit 13 hours ago that the internal projection for a release date is somewhere around november

Nice, do you happen to have the link to the reddit post?

KaiBlob1 wrote:

Erik Mona said on reddit 13 hours ago that the internal projection for a release date is somewhere around november

Nice, do you happen to have the link to the reddit post?

HERE

I just noticed this, and since I never saw anyone else talk about it I thought I'd mention it. The azarketi web supplement has, on page 3, the sidebar of the chapters of this book. They are as follows:

1. Overview
2. Absalom
3. (Then one chapter for each district, 9 in total)
12. Absalom Outskirts
13. Keeps
14. Undercity
15. NPC Gallery
16. GM Resources
17. Glossary and Index

I for one am excited about the undercity getting detailed as well as curious about what the GM resources chapter contains.

LuisESR021199 wrote:

KaiBlob1 wrote:

Erik Mona said on reddit 13 hours ago that the internal projection for a release date is somewhere around november

Nice, do you happen to have the link to the reddit post?

HERE

Look to PaizoCon for something more official. :)

Good to have some idea when it will be out though :'D And hopefully my new graphic card arrives before this book does x'D

Joking aside, I do hope my gm for edgewatch will get use out of this book in time(I'm not sure when they are going to start campaign so for all I know it won't be before november) and I'm glad to hear it will be likely during this year :3

Do we know anything about player options in this book?

I dont think we know anything, besides that the azarketi and all their connected feats/items that were in the web supplement should appear within

Any update on when this might come out?

Any update on when this might come out?

Their best guess is this November, per Erik Mona. We might find out more at PaizoCon.

I guess this ain't gonna come out this year now that the monsters book has been announced...

Monsters book?

Monsters book?

Monsters Of Myth

A Lost Omens setting book, not a Rules bestiary.

Ed Reppert wrote:

Monsters book?

Monsters Of Myth

A Lost Omens setting book, not a Rules bestiary.

Ah. Missed that somehow.

I guess this ain't gonna come out this year now that the monsters book has been announced...

I dont think that tha necessarily means it won't get released this year. They don't have to release it within their established schedule, they coyld just release it whenever they get it into the warhouse.

However, if they do want to release it on-schedule that means it'll likely be the february 2022 release, and that means all the books they had planned will have to get pushed one slot back to make room for it.

I think they're more waiting for a month they don't already have a hardcover releasing, so as to cut down on the number of books coming out all at once. Especially given how big, and thus expensive, this will be.

So maybe somewhere like January?

Monsters of Myth is technically a December release so November would still be an option.

Has the book been completed?

Is there a blog post or preview for this book yet? I'm curious about the posters. Also, what is the fluff/crunch ratio and how much of it could be used by 1E legacy GMs?

The book is probably 93% lore, 7% rules. It should be very useable by folks playing in either Pathfinder edition, or even any fantasy RPG for that matter.

It's currently in editing, and we're tagging up the maps because all of the locations are locked in and won't be changing.

We're still shooting for a November release, and will update everyone if that changes for any reason.

The book is probably 93% lore, 7% rules. It should be very useable by folks playing in either Pathfinder edition, or even any fantasy RPG for that matter.

It's currently in editing, and we're tagging up the maps because all of the locations are locked in and won't be changing.

We're still shooting for a November release, and will update everyone if that changes for any reason.

Thank you for the update Erik :)

The book is probably 93% lore, 7% rules. It should be very useable by folks playing in either Pathfinder edition, or even any fantasy RPG for that matter.

It's currently in editing, and we're tagging up the maps because all of the locations are locked in and won't be changing.

We're still shooting for a November release, and will update everyone if that changes for any reason.

Glad to hear! Makes it easy to use for first edition folks! we've been hoping for expanded Absalom lore for quite some time.

We're still shooting for a November release, and will update everyone if that changes for any reason.

Any chance you can release it in a boxed set? :P

The book is probably 93% lore, 7% rules. It should be very useable by folks playing in either Pathfinder edition, or even any fantasy RPG for that matter.

It's currently in editing, and we're tagging up the maps because all of the locations are locked in and won't be changing.

We're still shooting for a November release, and will update everyone if that changes for any reason.

I'm so looking forward to seeing what you came up with. This is the book I've been anticipating the most for years!

So excited and its still six months away. :)

(You do realise youre going to get at least one bad review now on the grounds that a wordcount proves the 7/93 split incorrect?)

Putting this here.

Aaron Shanks wrote:

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

Well damn, about the release being pushed back, but whatever still super looking forward to it! The August to September is gonna be insane if Guns and Gears doesn't also get pushed back, we're gonna have actual back to back rulebook releases.

I hear ya. Between Pathfinder and Starfinder we are looking at 2 hardcovers in June, 2 in August, 1 in October, 2 in November, and 1 in December. Subject to change of course.

And to clarify, I made some incorrect assumptions based on incomplete info about why it rolled. I now understand we hit our SofM deadlines and the delay was external to us. The point of the post it to confirm it rolled a month.

This statement about the release schedule confuses me SO MUCH now. I just now checked the descriptions for each of the hardcover books in the Starfinder, Pathfinder Rulebook, and Pathfinder Lost Omens lines and according to those web pages those books are coming out in the following order:

2 in June: Lost Omens Mwangi Expanse & Starfinder Galaxy Exploration Manual

3 in August: Secrets of Magic (as posted above), Lost Omens The Grand Bazaar, and Starfinder Tech Revolution

1 in September: Guns & Gears

1 in October: Starfinder Galactic Magic

1 in November: Lost Omens Monsters of Myth

& I don't know when Lost Omens Absolom is coming out as there is no release date listed.

So what else has shuffled to a different month on the schedule besides Secrets of Magic?

If Erik is right...

2 in November: Lost Omens Monsters of Myth & Lost Omens Absolom

Ashanderai's dates are wrong, many of those should be bumped one month later.

The two in November are "Starfinder Galactic Magic" and the Absalom book.
Lost Omens Monsters of Myth is a December book.

Things have shifted/will shift since I posted. They continue to change. I'm sure we will pound the schedule into your heads at PaizoCon. Hold onto your seats. :)

"I have altered the deal, pray that I do not alter it again."

XD

If you're quoting Darth Vader in ESB, the quote is, "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

As for the dates quoted from my post in another thread, I was apparently pulling my date ranges from the wrong part of the product pages, so Elfteiroh is correct.

What about the module that was supposed to come out with the book? Is that on time to ship?

What about the module that was supposed to come out with the book? Is that on time to ship?

There is no such module.

Are you asking about Dead God's Hand?

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

What about the module that was supposed to come out with the book? Is that on time to ship?

There is no such module.

Are you asking about Dead God's Hand?

Ya, it has been so long that it was supposed to come out as well that I forgot the name.

Sporkedup wrote:

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

What about the module that was supposed to come out with the book? Is that on time to ship?

There is no such module.

Are you asking about Dead God's Hand?

Ya, it has been so long that it was supposed to come out as well that I forgot the name.

Haha, I feel you!

It's also an Erik Mona project, connected to Absalom, that was delayed. In hindsight I can see how you connected the two! I am pretty sure they were never linked by release date though.

It sounds like Erik has prioritized the Lost Omens book. He's not offered any particular timeline on DGH, which to me says it won't show up any earlier than next year.