Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens

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Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens

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THE CITY IS YOURS

For nearly 5,000 years, the great city of Absalom has stood at the center of the Inner Sea region's culture, commerce, and prophecy. Now, after the death of its founder-god Aroden, the disappearance of its lord mayor, and new attacks from some of its greatest foes, Absalom stands at the crossroads of a new and uncertain destiny!

This lore-packed 400-page guide presents a fascinating locale suitable for years of Pathfinder adventures! A huge poster map of the city, more than 250 locations, and more than 400 interconnected NPCs set the scene in unprecedented detail, beckoning your characters to walk upon streets paved with centuries of history. Follow in the footsteps of generations of questing heroes to chart a new path for the City at the Center of the World!

Written by: Allie Bustion, John Compton, Jeremy Corff, Katina Davis, Vanessa Hoskins, James Jacobs, Virginia Jordan, Erik Mona, Matt Morris, Liane Merciel, Dave Nelson, Samantha Phelan, Jessica Redekop, Mikhail Rekun, Brian Richmond, David N. Ross, Simone D. Sallé, Shahreena Shahrani, Abigail Slater, Chris Spivey, Diego Valdez, and Skylar-James Wall

Content Warning: While Absalom, City of Lost Omens contains a great deal of content suitable for everyone, it also presents themes of slavery, ableism, body horror, and human experimentation. Before you use this material in a campaign, understand that player consent (including that of the Game Master) is vital to a safe and fun play experience for everyone. Talk with your players before using these themes at the table and modify descriptions or scenarios as appropriate.

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5/5

I'm really, really impressed by the quality of the product.


Pretty good

5/5

I got this to flesh out my Agents of Edgewatch campaign and it has served me very well so far.


Granular - maybe TOO granular?

4/5

This book is a mouthful, that's for sure. And I'd say it's for two kinds of people: Hardcore fans and theatre kids who never leave Absalom.

It honestly reminds me of Shadowrun's Seattle sourcebooks - an excellent deconstruction, neighborhood by neighborhood, with all the important locations. However whereas Seattle/New Seattle were tailored towards locations that might be of interest to a certain type of person (shadowrunners) this is just a blanket treatment of the city - almost like more of an atlas/tourists guide to Absalom than anything else.

Unfortunately it reads like a phone book - and that's great, if that's what you're angling for. I think I prefer Owen K C Stephens style over this personally. But if you do anything in Absalom, it's certainly worth picking up.

I would have liked to have seen more than four pages about the outskirts -- Absalom the City is very well charted and travelled, especially with the six part AP Agents of Edgewatch. But Absalom the country remains regrettably poorly plotted. Not even Otari gets a shout-out, and that's been the location of at least three adventures, one of which is the most popular PF2 adventure so far. When your supposed atlas to a country says "See the beginner box for info about this town!" that's a cash-grab.


2/5


An important book in the Pathfinder Library

4/5

Initially, I wasn't sure what to expect from this massive, nearly 400-page book. It consolidates and repurposes information about Absalom found elsewhere in the Pathfinder modules and PFS adventures -- a long overdue task that has thankfully materialized.

For seasoned GMs and Players, this tome brings most things you know about Absalom together under one proverbial roof with a poster map of the city and enumerated inset maps with gazetteer-like descriptors of places of interest. NPCs you have come to know through adventures and modules can be found here, along with a few updates for 2nd Edition.

For the newcomer to Pathfinder, this will give you a handy (if initially expensive) reference to Absalom that you can use as you might an encyclopedia. If you keep that in mind, this tome may be worth the investment when adventuring (or GMing).

Unfortunately, the sheer magnitude of consolidated and repurposed information here is only the tip of Absalom's proverbial iceberg. Depth of coverage about the city's history, lore, politics, geography and intriguing aspects (on the whole) will be adequate for most purposes. GMs with a bit of creativity will find ways to build new hooks and adventures from this material without too much difficulty, especially if using some of the rumors, points of interest, and NPCs included in the book. GMs designing "sequels" to PFS scenarios from 1st Edition or 1st Edition adventure modules may find this book to be an adequate assistant to that end. But GMs who want a comprehensive guide to the city (is there ever such a thing in any speculative RPG?) will get close -- but will have to either wait for future adventures and supplements to flesh out the missing bits or create their own lore in the meantime.

As a GM and Player, I truly appreciate the hard work this book represents in putting the bulk of Absalom in a one-stop reference. As such, it justifies its place on my bookshelf.


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I wish they'd put that kind of information into a central location instead of spreading it across half the internet.

Cutting the base ancestry entirely seems no more questionable that putting out feats months ahead of the ancestry itself, so I'll still wait for positive confirmation.


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AnimatedPaper wrote:

I wish they'd put that kind of information into a central location instead of spreading it across half the internet.

Well, it's not "information" as much as it is teasers and tidbits offered by Paizo folk too excited to keep everything bottled up.

I really strongly did not get the impression that they cut content at all for the book. They have only talked about adding stuff, and as a company they also try really hard not to tease things they aren't positive they can deliver. I'd also think that if an ancestry got yeeted from the book, they'd point it out.

Frankly, ancestries don't take up that much space.


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Every ancestry they've released has taken a minimum of 4 pages. I think that is kind of a lot.

Sporkedup wrote:
I'd also think that if an ancestry got yeeted from the book, they'd point it out.

If they'd settled on and announced a release date, I would agree, but as it is...


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AnimatedPaper wrote:

Every ancestry they've released has taken a minimum of 4 pages. I think that is kind of a lot.

Sporkedup wrote:
I'd also think that if an ancestry got yeeted from the book, they'd point it out.
If they'd settled on and announced a release date, I would agree, but as it is...

Last numbers we heard for book length were something like 350. Might have actually gotten longer from there. They are not constraining themselves to the 296 pages originally announced, unless they recently made a decision to excise giant chunks of the book.


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I'm well aware the book got bigger. What exactly led you to believe otherwise?

All I'm saying is that they only recently finished the writing, and haven't confirmed they've finished the layout, though that's possible (depending on what else was in the pipeline).

Stuff probably changed, even from what they were working with around PaizoCon. Hopefully not stuff they already announced, but even that is possible.


Elfteiroh wrote:
Gillmen are confirmed to have extra feats coming in the Lost Omen Ancestry Guide,

Where/when was this confirmed?

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KaiBlob1 wrote:
Elfteiroh wrote:
Gillmen are confirmed to have extra feats coming in the Lost Omen Ancestry Guide,
Where/when was this confirmed?

Last August, on the 28th, on discord, Luis Loza posted this:

Luis Loza wrote:

Yes, I can! In fact, I already have. AG will have new options for all of the ancestries found in the APG and Lost Omens released up until that point.

I'm pretty sure we announce that in the initial product announcement. If not, well, I'm saying it now!

Stuff for all 10 ancestries/VH from the APG plus hobgoblin, leshy, lizardfolk, and azarketi.

And considering the time needed to print the book before releases, it was way to late to remove content. So they pretty much need to release the base ancestry in Absalom book.

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I'm looking back over the posts here, and just wondering if there is any solid ETA on this being released? I am super-excited for this book, and holding off on running Agents of Edgewatch until it comes out so I can supplement the campaign with info from this book.


Not really any solid date, the best estimate is september if they follow their 3 lost omens a year setup from this year. this year we got gods and magic in february, legends in july and pfs in september, next year we're getting ancestry guide in february and mwangi expanse in july, so we can assume this will come in september.


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The LO schedule is (in theory) quarterly. This was originally set for a Spring release, with GM in Winter, Legends in Summer, and PFS in Fall. Next year we have Ancestry in winter, Mwagni in spring (if only just). They could be doing 3 again next year, but a release in August/September and another release in November might also be possible and get them back onto their proposed schedule.

But 3 releases next year is quite possible, given the state of the world.

Edit: Correction, I just noticed the map pack for this item is included in the LO subscription instead of the map sub. So 4 products for next year, assuming both this and that release in 2021.

Who knows, maybe we'll get 5 products next year...


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I do wonder if the size of Absalom and the Mwangi book are pushing them more towards confidence that three a year is sufficient. I personally wouldn't feel slighted at all, but I also would mind even more Lost Omens at all times...


I am excited for the gill men.

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Would be kinda bummed though if we have to wait until next year's September :( I was really looking forward to playing agent of edgewatch and hoping gm would have access to this book, but that seems impossible at this rate...


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Hm, if the ancestry guide has gillmen feats, and gillmen aren't coming for a long while after the ancestry guide... maybe the base ancestry could be released through the blog to go with the extra feats?

It would've become free on nethys after City of Lost Omens came out anyway.


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The-Magic-Sword wrote:

Hm, if the ancestry guide has gillmen feats, and gillmen aren't coming for a long while after the ancestry guide... maybe the base ancestry could be released through the blog to go with the extra feats?

It would've become free on nethys after City of Lost Omens came out anyway.

I thought it was confirmed there were no gillmen feats in the Ancestry Guide?


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Sporkedup wrote:
The-Magic-Sword wrote:

Hm, if the ancestry guide has gillmen feats, and gillmen aren't coming for a long while after the ancestry guide... maybe the base ancestry could be released through the blog to go with the extra feats?

It would've become free on nethys after City of Lost Omens came out anyway.

I thought it was confirmed there were no gillmen feats in the Ancestry Guide?

Apparently , I don't know how the change in release schedule changed things-- were they already slated and designed and included in the AG, or were they nixed from the AG because they already knew city was behind schedule.


Is the plan to release this in 2021?

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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Is the plan to release this in 2021?

When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)


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Oh? Now I’m curious if they’ll be released in the AV players guide or a web supplement, or even in Ruins of Guantlight. Reading the summaries, there’s a distinct Dagon vibe that gillmen would fit in well with, and given the original timeline it would make sense to write the adventure with that as a possible option.

Note: I am in no way expecting or asking for this to occur; I’m merely speculating.


I imagine it’s just that as soon as they realized there would be a delay they ported them over to the ancestry guide.

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Which is really likely but I kinda hope that isn't the case just because then it mean they would replace other content in Ancestry Guide :'D Well unless they give new content in absalom book instead then(fingers crossed for minotaur ancestry? xP Love for Nuar Spiritskin!)


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KaiBlob1 wrote:
I imagine it’s just that as soon as they realized there would be a delay they ported them over to the ancestry guide.

Possible, but when I suggested that on the previous page Elfteiroh made it a point to jump in and tell me I was wrong and implied I was an idiot for even thinking it, so it absolutely must be in the City of Absalom book.

He insisted it was flat impossible that the gillmen would be in the Ancestry guide.


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Ancestry Guide makes more sense to me than the Abomination Vaults backmatter. I don't think including an ancestry in an AP volume has been a well-received thing. That's part of why shoony are controversial right now, if I had to guess.

I mean, before Shanksie's comment, I would have been incredibly surprised to see them in anything but the Absalom book. Now I have no idea because "soon" would imply in some other already-announced book.


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Yeah, since it already had Gillmen space set aside, my guess is that either room was made for the basic ancestry material as well, or that the 'extra feats for Gillmen' was replaced by 'The Gillmen Ancestry' or some combination of the two, depending on what else might've been saved for later.


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*shrug*

It could also be planned to be released in the players guide (as that would be the single easiest place to slip something extra in this late in the game) AND be in this or a different book. I question if they had time to place it in the Ancestry guide. Elfteiroh did have a point on how early they would have had to make that call; in absence of information I could speculate what was and was not added, but if it wasn't included by late August I have a hard time imagining them having enough time to add it much later.

I was more annoyed at how much offense was taken at my extremely obvious observation that something said last May about a product that isn't even on the release schedule yet might have changed.


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AnimatedPaper wrote:

*shrug*

It could also be planned to be released in the players guide (as that would be the single easiest place to slip something extra in this late in the game) AND be in this or a different book. I question if they had time to place it in the Ancestry guide. Elfteiroh did have a point on how early they would have had to make that call; in absence of information I could speculate what was and was not added, but if it wasn't included by late August I have a hard time imagining them having enough time to add it much later.

I was more annoyed at how much offense was taken at my extremely obvious observation that something said last May about a product that isn't even on the release schedule yet might have changed.

That's fair for the offense part.

I'd probably venture that the Gillmen, if space were made for the LOAG for extra feats, probably could not fit if they tried to switch the spacing for the ancestry itself. And it'd be really hard to take out the Gillmen ancestry from the Absalom book, considering how long in development HFIL it's been in.

Considering how easy it is to change up the Player's Guide, it'd make the most sense to add it to the Abomination Vaults' PG. But even better? Just release the Gillmen ancestry details as a standalone download in a Paizo blog. It'd allow the editing for the other 2 books to be left alone, and doesn't deter much value of the Absalom book. It'd be on AoN in 1-3 weeks. But the weeks without access to the base Gillmen would waste the value of the Gillmen feat pages in LOAG for who knows how long between LOAG's Feb release and whenever Absalom comes out.

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I didn’t take any offense, and didn’t mean to imply anyone was an idiot. If this sounded like this, I am deeply sorry, that was absolutely not my intention.

I just jumped in and gave the information I had. Just that I know that most book content are usually set about a year before release, and sent to the printer many months before release. That’s not something that a lot of people know, so I tend to try to make sure people manage their expectations.

I will note though that the first time I posted about this, I thought the last confirmation was later than end of August, so I indeed make a firmer statement than I should have... but even then, September or later would have been kinda late to bring that big of a change to the book considering the time they need for the printers. So I am still strongly believing this big of a change will not have been made. But it is *not* impossible. Just extremely unlikely.

If they end up releasing the ancestry outside the Absalom book, a blog or a player guide would be most likely, like many proposed here. (There is chances AoN wouldn’t add it until the Absalom book though, they are not putting up all blog content, a lot is missing. Up to now, the extra Panteons released as preview for Gods and Magic are the only blog content on AoN that I know of.)
(Also, it could be “released” incomplete too, with very limited content, but enough to be usable with the LO AG extra feats.)


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Elfteiroh wrote:
I didn’t take any offense, and didn’t mean to imply anyone was an idiot. If this sounded like this, I am deeply sorry, that was absolutely not my intention.

It's all good. I shouldn't have let it bother me as much as it clearly did.

Elfteiroh wrote:
(Also, it could be “released” incomplete too, with very limited content, but enough to be usable with the LO AG extra feats.)

Certainly a possiblity.


Aaron Shanks wrote:
Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Is the plan to release this in 2021?
When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

Aaron - I believe Paizo's production queue is longer than one year.

It's possible it can get released in fall '21 but probably only by pushing something else into '22.

If Paizo decides they don't want to mess with their internal schedule to turbocharge one product at the expense of others, Absalom, City of Lost Omens will have to wait until 2022.

For instance, they might have lined up a similar tie-in between this fall's Adventure Path and some yet-unknown sourcebook. They would likely not want to wreck that tie-in just to salvage an already-wrecked tie-in. Meaning that they might have decided that since Absalom already is behind schedule, it doesn't matter as much whether the wait is 6 or 12 or 24 months; the best thing is to keep it from further disrupting the schedule.

Of course, they might also have the capacity to accelerate the schedule (release more sourcebooks in any given year) but I don't think they want to do that - it could end up just cannibalizing sales.

So there you have it - a couple of possible (plausible even) reasons why you might not see the book until '22! Cheers


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Zapp wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:
Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Is the plan to release this in 2021?
When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

Aaron - I believe Paizo's production queue is longer than one year.

It's possible it can get released in fall '21 but probably only by pushing something else into '22.

If Paizo decides they don't want to mess with their internal schedule to turbocharge one product at the expense of others, Absalom, City of Lost Omens will have to wait until 2022.

For instance, they might have lined up a similar tie-in between this fall's Adventure Path and some yet-unknown sourcebook. They would likely not want to wreck that tie-in just to salvage an already-wrecked tie-in. Meaning that they might have decided that since Absalom already is behind schedule, it doesn't matter as much whether the wait is 6 or 12 or 24 months; the best thing is to keep it from further disrupting the schedule.

Of course, they might also have the capacity to accelerate the schedule (release more sourcebooks in any given year) but I don't think they want to do that - it could end up just cannibalizing sales.

So there you have it - a couple of possible (plausible even) reasons why you might not see the book until '22! Cheers

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Sporkedup wrote:
Zapp wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:
Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Is the plan to release this in 2021?
When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

Aaron - I believe Paizo's production queue is longer than one year.

It's possible it can get released in fall '21 but probably only by pushing something else into '22.

If Paizo decides they don't want to mess with their internal schedule to turbocharge one product at the expense of others, Absalom, City of Lost Omens will have to wait until 2022.

For instance, they might have lined up a similar tie-in between this fall's Adventure Path and some yet-unknown sourcebook. They would likely not want to wreck that tie-in just to salvage an already-wrecked tie-in. Meaning that they might have decided that since Absalom already is behind schedule, it doesn't matter as much whether the wait is 6 or 12 or 24 months; the best thing is to keep it from further disrupting the schedule.

Of course, they might also have the capacity to accelerate the schedule (release more sourcebooks in any given year) but I don't think they want to do that - it could end up just cannibalizing sales.

So there you have it - a couple of possible (plausible even) reasons why you might not see the book until '22! Cheers

You're telling Paizo's Marketing and Media Manager this?

Hi fans. I confirmed yesterday that a free PDF supplement containing the azarketi (gillman) ancestry will be released with or before the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide. The book contains expanded azarketi material and you need the core to use it, of course. Don't fret. We've got your back. Adventures Ahead!


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Aaron Shanks wrote:
Hi fans. I confirmed yesterday that a free PDF supplement containing the azarketi (gillman) ancestry will be released with or before the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide. The book contains expanded azarketi material and you need the core to use it, of course. Don't fret. We've got your back. Adventures Ahead!

Fantastic! Thank you for the update!

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Aaron Shanks wrote:
Sporkedup wrote:
Zapp wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:
Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Is the plan to release this in 2021?
When we have an target release date for Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens we will promote it. However, you will not have to wait long for the gillmen. :)

Aaron - I believe Paizo's production queue is longer than one year.

It's possible it can get released in fall '21 but probably only by pushing something else into '22.

If Paizo decides they don't want to mess with their internal schedule to turbocharge one product at the expense of others, Absalom, City of Lost Omens will have to wait until 2022.

For instance, they might have lined up a similar tie-in between this fall's Adventure Path and some yet-unknown sourcebook. They would likely not want to wreck that tie-in just to salvage an already-wrecked tie-in. Meaning that they might have decided that since Absalom already is behind schedule, it doesn't matter as much whether the wait is 6 or 12 or 24 months; the best thing is to keep it from further disrupting the schedule.

Of course, they might also have the capacity to accelerate the schedule (release more sourcebooks in any given year) but I don't think they want to do that - it could end up just cannibalizing sales.

So there you have it - a couple of possible (plausible even) reasons why you might not see the book until '22! Cheers

You're telling Paizo's Marketing and Media Manager this?
Hi fans. I confirmed yesterday that a free PDF supplement containing the azarketi (gillman) ancestry will be released with or before the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide. The book contains expanded azarketi material and you need the core to use it, of course. Don't fret. We've got your back. Adventures Ahead!

Nice! :D That is really really nice!


now with the grand bazaar book announced are there any updates on this book's release?


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KaiBlob1 wrote:
now with the grand bazaar book announced are there any updates on this book's release?

Far as I've heard, absolutely nothing yet. Luis confirmed the Grand Bazaar was always envisioned and therefore designed completely separately (I thought perhaps it was a chunk of the Absalom book spun off, but no).

I'm still hopeful we'll see this book sometime this year. I'm not sure that's rational but it's where I personally am at, haha.


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"Grand Bazaar book"?


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Ed Reppert wrote:
"Grand Bazaar book"?

This one.


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Ed Reppert wrote:
"Grand Bazaar book"?

Just announced this last week!

https://paizo.com/products/btq027kc/discuss?Pathfinder-Lost-Omens-The-Grand -Bazaar


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Sigh. Linkified.


Hi, was wondering about the release date,

https://www.amazon.com/Pathfinder-Absalom-City-Lost-Omens/dp/1640782354

Pathfinder Absalom, City of Lost Omens (P2) Hardcover – March 30, 2021
by Alexandria Bustion (Author), John Compton (Author), Jeremy Corff (Author), Katina Davis (Author), & 8 more

But there is no indication anywhere on paizo.com of a release date.

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Ryan Gueldener wrote:

Just a heads up, this book has been delayed until end of year or even beginning of next year per Erik Mona.

Erik Mona wrote:

Both products are currently delayed. I messed up and didn't assign enough pages to the Absalom book to do it right, so I'm holding it back until it's as awesome as we can make it. James Jacobs and I have added about 20 additional locations to the manuscript (the city now has a temple for every core god, for example). We've also been working on an NPC appendix that has short summaries of more than 300 inhabitants of the city. So when you go to a shop, you can cross reference the shopkeeper in an NPC appendix and find out who she is friends with, who she is plotting against, and how all of it might play out into an adventure hook to lure the PCs into adventure.

We're hoping the book will be out by the end of the year. If not, it will be very shortly thereafter. The map folio will come out at the same time as the hardcover.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sh8t?Pathfinder-News-From-PaizoCo n-Online

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General Orc wrote:

Hi, was wondering about the release date,

https://www.amazon.com/Pathfinder-Absalom-City-Lost-Omens/dp/1640782354

Pathfinder Absalom, City of Lost Omens (P2) Hardcover – March 30, 2021
by Alexandria Bustion (Author), John Compton (Author), Jeremy Corff (Author), Katina Davis (Author), & 8 more

But there is no indication anywhere on paizo.com of a release date.

oh well thats exciting. Luis or Erik care to comment at all on this?


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That date is almost certainly made up by Amazon, as they do.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Ryan Gueldener wrote:

Just a heads up, this book has been delayed until end of year or even beginning of next year per Erik Mona.

Erik Mona wrote:

Both products are currently delayed. I messed up and didn't assign enough pages to the Absalom book to do it right, so I'm holding it back until it's as awesome as we can make it. James Jacobs and I have added about 20 additional locations to the manuscript (the city now has a temple for every core god, for example). We've also been working on an NPC appendix that has short summaries of more than 300 inhabitants of the city. So when you go to a shop, you can cross reference the shopkeeper in an NPC appendix and find out who she is friends with, who she is plotting against, and how all of it might play out into an adventure hook to lure the PCs into adventure.

We're hoping the book will be out by the end of the year. If not, it will be very shortly thereafter. The map folio will come out at the same time as the hardcover.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sh8t?Pathfinder-News-From-PaizoCo n-Online

Posted last page.

That is why I was wondering about the Amazon date as it correlates approximately to - We're hoping the book will be out by the end of the year. If not, it will be very shortly thereafter.


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Erik mentioned on reddit today that his part will be concluded by the end of February. From there, I suppose it's editing, design, layout, that kind of stuff? I don't know timelines for publishing necessarily but I'd think that means this could be a fall release.


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At a guess, I'd say that to editing, design, layout, etc. you need to add sending the manuscript to the printer, getting it printed, and getting it shipped back to Paizo for distribution. So you might want to add a month or two to that "could be a fall release".

Waiting is... :-)


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Ed Reppert wrote:

At a guess, I'd say that to editing, design, layout, etc. you need to add sending the manuscript to the printer, getting it printed, and getting it shipped back to Paizo for distribution. So you might want to add a month or two to that "could be a fall release".

Waiting is... :-)

He actually added on that it is in layout currently!

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Copy editing and then sending it to the printer...looks like June/July at the earliest to me, but that would clash with the release of the Mwangi book.


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Copy editing and then sending it to the printer...looks like June/July at the earliest to me, but that would clash with the release of the Mwangi book.

With the state of the world, I would say 6 months minimum from "Send to Printer" to "Out to Subscribers." More like 7 months if you're starting from February due to Lunar New Year.

I would guess that Spork is closer to correct with his Fall guess; November or December sounds reasonable if the writing and developing is done this month, since that would give a couple months of cushion for slippage.

Edit: I happen to work in international shipping, specifically over a decade in operations planning, and my ex-boyfriend was a freight-forwarder, which is where the estimate comes from. I go into more logic elsewhere, but I'll report it here under spoiler:

Playtest to Publishing Timing:
There's 6 months between the end of the playtest and Gencon. We passed the 8 month mark about 3 weeks ago.

This is actually my line of work, so I'll go ahead and break it down more. Iirc there was a 4 month turnaround time for the actual printing. That is, 4 months from when they send the file to the printer to getting the product back from China (this is very old information and may be wildly out of date, btw). Covid precautions have probably added at least some time to that, so give it another 2 weeks. Chinese New Years, when production in China basically shuts down for a week or 2 (depending on the priority of your particular product), is a week after the end of the playtest, so the earliest practical start date would be around March 1st.

There is also a shortage of shipping containers at the moment. We are advising clients to be prepared to accept a 1 month delay in products from China and other East Asia ports.

All put together, I would expect, with the playtest ending on February 5th, the earliest delivery date would be the middle of August, possibly into September. Barely possible to have items to retailers by the street date of August 5th, assuming that 4 month figure I mentioned also included the 3 weeks to sort in the warehouse (which I do not recall if it does or not) but unlikely.

All of that, combined with my confidence that they can produce a quality product without a second round of playtesting, leads me to think this upcoming playtest is not for Secrets of Magic. I think, and have said a couple times in various places, that there is an unannounced rulebook coming out in either November of December of 2021, and that the new classes will show up in that book. I also think there's an unannounced Starfinder book coming out a month ahead of the PFRPG2 book for the precog to release in.


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..."Upcoming Playtest"? Are you saying there is another playtest separate from Guns & Gears coming up? If so, where did you learn this?

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