Hero Points help you shape your character's heroic deeds, and this deck of 52 Hero Point cards gives you brand-new ways to guide your hero's path toward greatness! These beautiful, full-color cards let you easily track your Hero Points at the table, and each card offers a different special benefit when you spend that Hero Point. Every effect is compatible with the Second Edition of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, giving you even more ways to turn your hero into a legend!
This deck is ok: I do use it, because it makes hero points visible, and it works ok'ish at very crunchy tables.
But something just doesn't click with players: They keep the cards, but they don't often read the extra effects and much less use these effects. When asked why that is, they tell me that the card didn't do anything that felt useful to them. So I started curating the hero point deck I use at my table, but that didn't improve things much. They still mostly use them to re-roll a check or for death saves.
Ultimately, it feels like the deck fixes something that wasn't really broken. I would use this deck more if the effects were stronger. They could even be OP, because then people would stop saving them for death saves.
Between this and the critical hit deck, get the critical hit deck: that one just seems more fun and useful.
Now this is a great product as it adds that much more to the base Hero Point mechanics to make it almost a must have in my humble opinion.
By themselves Hero Points I have found always seem to be easily forgotten, by the Players and the GM (as in giving them out after the first one at the beginning of the session. I even made Hero Point Cards in Roll20 so they are visible to everyone but we all still seem to only remember them at the end of the session. Then most of the players just burn through them all for any and all checks no matter how trivial and then the hero Points system seems like just an afterthought and quite underwhelming when all is said and done. Unless you use it to get out of the Dying condition that is :)
I think the extra choices on the cards here will really hammer home that players and GM's will remember Hero points much more and gives a player agency to choose using them for just the reroll, bank em for that dying condition or play the specific card and effect.
OUTSTANDING!!
The cards are quite varied and not over or underpowered, specific instances may vary that but it works!!
A big THANKS to Jason Bullmahn and anyone else who conceived this cool product that will get a whole lot of play for my 48+ players!!
5 out of 5 Stars
I did not discuss specific cards as it might be spoilery to some
Yep, can't wait for these to add much more needed depth to the Hero point system!!
I got them to talk a smidge about then in a couple panels at GENCON but very closed mouth still , wait and see and hope for some teasers and product pics in the nearish future one can hope
Let us hope, in the panels again they said more digital assets are coming for PDF's and for VTT but no solid list or dates or specific platforms at this time.
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Let's see if I have this right: the "battle cards" are all 4x6, everything else is (roughly) standard playing card size. Or am I missing something?
Will we ever get any new teaser info about this before the release date please :)
I got one of the team to talk a bit about it in a Twitch stream but he was very tight lipped about any details.
Thanks Paizo team for any "scraps" you could give us. HP's are a big part of the game so I'd like to be ready and see anything more about this, cold even be a general thing as specifics probably won't happen, or any upcoming Twitch streams that might talk about it?
Thanks
Tom ( and I bet more than a few others out there as well!!)
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Many of us already use the card deck function in Roll20 to pass out Hero Points. Have you considered also offering this as a Roll20 add-on? It seems like an ideal product for that platform.
I love unique benefits of different cards (such as the crit deck), so I'll most likely buy this anyway. Still, It'd be cool to see some previews of these cards.
Hello. I'm not sure about this particular product, but the pandemic has delayed many of our card products. We will share more information when we can.
It is not a manufacturing or shipping issue; we don't have the product finished. (So PDF only is not an option, not that we would do that.) We will update you when we have a date.
The number of products that have been rescheduled (sometimes multiple times) and delayed combined with the incredibly slow response of the customer service team make it very difficult to manage subscriptions when there are products that you don't want/need.
Pandemic operations have challenges, some internal, some external. Those challenge continue. However, we've largely maintained the aggressive production schedule established in the "before-times." There have been some delays and Customer Service has slowed, but with our new-hires they are crunching through the email backlog, down to 1500 from 3000+.
This product has not been sent to the printer. It is one hold until we have an update. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Maybe by GENCON or would it be even later if you had to guess Aaron? My players and I are just dying to do more things with Hero Points!!
Thanks
Tom
My magic 8 ball shows sometime in 2021, but no more clarity than that. I *think* every card needs a designer pass, which slows the process, but the good news is the Design team is bigger than ever. And we have a couple of excellent project managers helping us set realistic expectations. I'll share more when we are certain.
I'm sure we can share a few examples before street date. Maybe put them in some shows too so you can get a feel for them. :)
LOL, can't remember if you were there last year (Either PaizoCon ONLINE or GC Online) at one of the twitch shows when it was first brought up, this new product. But it was me who first twitched out on the first announcement on that and the creator was quite happy:)
As others in the Paizo team thought it might not be a thing wanted and the "I told ya so" he said to them on the panel live, them was quite funny after I twitched I and I bet many others would be VERY interested!!
I just reviewed the up-to-date release schedule through September 2021 and the Pathfinder Hero Point Deck is not on the list. When we have a release date we will promote it.
Thanks for the update Aaron, this sucks to say the least, but not much any of us can do at this point. Hope to get some info or at least a look at a card sometime at the CON this weekend :)
Nothing from the Con, was'nt even able to get a live question into them in any of the panels sadly :(
I really think this will change the Hero Point dynamic. Usually most of my 36+ players always hold em til the last minute in case they have to wipe out the dying condition. Then as the last 15 minutes of the session creeps in then they all unload then for any and all rolls, most of the time,
Gets a tad boring at times this being so predictable and less "inspiring" so to speak and I'll like a change/option to shake this up more than a bit. Thought about homebrewing but want to see Paizo's take on this first :)
Lets hope we at least get some teaser info sooner rather than later and we get a street date in 2021 one can hope