Pathfinder Lost Omens: The Grand Bazaar

Aren't there a ton of centaurs on absolam that we don't have a lot of info about?

Yes, but they were in PF1, technically.

If he's not counting that as being in PF1, then I'd agree they're a likely enough candidate as well.

David knott 242 wrote:

Sporkedup wrote:

Hm... Stheno, Tenome, Sasquatch, Eunemvro, Yeti, Minotaur, I dunno.

I have noticed a pattern among monsters intended to be PC ancestries: They tend to have their own ancestry name as one of their keywords -- definitely more than the alignment, size, and type of most creatures. Exceptions tend to be closely related to other PC ancestries (such as hobgoblin having goblin as a keyword).

Of the monsters listed above, the only one that follows the pattern is the Stheno. If it isn't the Stheno, it would have to be something that we don't yet have a generic bestiary entry for.

I believe I saw someone from Paizo outright dismiss this, that traits have no bearing on their likelihood as an ancestry.

I think it is still a good approximation for how they were thinking at the time they wrote the product in which the monster stats were given, even if they ultimately go a different way in the future. In the bestiaries, it really does look like the creatures with their own ancestries as traits are more plausible PC ancestries than the creatures that don't have them. So far, the only creature with its own name as a trait I have noticed that is definitely not a PC ancestry is the Serpentfolk.

keftiu wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

Sporkedup wrote:

Hm... Stheno, Tenome, Sasquatch, Eunemvro, Yeti, Minotaur, I dunno.

I have noticed a pattern among monsters intended to be PC ancestries: They tend to have their own ancestry name as one of their keywords -- definitely more than the alignment, size, and type of most creatures. Exceptions tend to be closely related to other PC ancestries (such as hobgoblin having goblin as a keyword).

Of the monsters listed above, the only one that follows the pattern is the Stheno. If it isn't the Stheno, it would have to be something that we don't yet have a generic bestiary entry for.

I believe I saw someone from Paizo outright dismiss this, that traits have no bearing on their likelihood as an ancestry.

I think it is still a good approximation for how they were thinking at the time they wrote the product in which the monster stats were given, even if they ultimately go a different way in the future. In the bestiaries, it really does look like the creatures with their own ancestries as traits are more plausible PC ancestries than the creatures that don't have them. So far, the only creature with its own name as a trait I have noticed that is definitely not a PC ancestry is the Serpentfolk.

Seugathis also have one, despite being Large CN alien worms.

And some of us are holding out hope for Serpentfolk someday! :P

You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and throw my hat in the ring for the new Ancestry here as, in fact, being the Stheno. My only reason guessing this is the due to this book being named, and likely largely based, in the Grand Bazaar. Absalom, imo, has some light inspiration from Greek myth; at least, the Isle of Kortos does (in so far as it's less civilized inhabitants). Outside of the cities walls, Minotaur, Centaur, and Harpy roam the wilds of Kortos. So, it makes sense to me, to a degree, that perhaps the Stheno originated on Kortos. I have no proof. Just a hunch given the light Greek ties with the other creatures on the island.

Asking here: Why Jotun and Undercommon are common rarities and no ancestry speakers?

Draconic: Kobold
Dwarven: Dwarf
Elven: Elf
Gnomish: Gnome
Goblin: Goblin, Hobgoblin
Halfling: Halfling
Orcish: Orc
Sylvan: Gnome, Leshy, Sprite

Asking here: Why Jotun and Undercommon are common rarities and no ancestry speakers?

Draconic: Kobold
Dwarven: Dwarf
Elven: Elf
Gnomish: Gnome
Goblin: Goblin, Hobgoblin
Halfling: Halfling
Orcish: Orc
Sylvan: Gnome, Leshy, Sprite

That's getting off topic for the page.

Personally, I'm looking forward to getting a sense for how high-level things are sold. Are high-level magic items at private auctions, sold at boutiques, or do the wealthy and powerful have brokers who facilitate private purchases between individuals?

Laclale♪ wrote:

Asking here: Why Jotun and Undercommon are common rarities and no ancestry speakers?

Draconic: Kobold
Dwarven: Dwarf
Elven: Elf
Gnomish: Gnome
Goblin: Goblin, Hobgoblin
Halfling: Halfling
Orcish: Orc
Sylvan: Gnome, Leshy, Sprite

That's getting off topic for the page.

Personally, I'm looking forward to getting a sense for how high-level things are sold. Are high-level magic items at private auctions, sold at boutiques, or do the wealthy and powerful have brokers who facilitate private purchases between individuals?

Clearly, Rod of Splendor was intended as a rental.

Hooray!

So Luis spilled a lot of beans about things to expect in the Grand Bazaar book.

One, something that was said at the PaizoCon 2020 Discord channel, there's gonna be a terror bird animal companion in Grand Bazaar.

Two, a LOT of details were shared on the interview Luis did on the Find the Path podcast (Link to the interview here).

Copying and pasting from my Reddit write-up:

Reiterating a Minotaur wheelchair, that lets you build up energy and do a charge. There's also prosthetic arms (and a sleeve you can put on if you don't need a prosthetic) that you can hold a weapon, draw it in, and once activated, for a minute your arm turns into that weapon. Good for sneaking weapons in. Also an item called the Immovable Arm, that's a prosthetic arm that has an immovable rod built in it, and you can click a button and boom, you can get the effects of the immovable rod.

Reiterating a spoiler from PaizoCon, there's gonna be a terror bird animal companion in The Grand Bazaar.

BIG NEWS: A new category of runes is being put in The Grand Bazaar. These are called Accessory runes. This is for items other than weapons and armor. They name shields, boots, capes, and even umbrellas. It allows you to add rune effects to these items, like a cape or umbrella letting you get the effects of Feather Fall. It can allow for the creation of low-level runes to apply to items. Apparently it missed the boat on SoM, but it's being introduced in The Grand Bazaar.

Specifically, these are runes you have to invest in, and you can't slap these accessory runes onto a magic item you also are investing in. Each rune can be applied to one of several spots, so if the item you wanted to apply it to doesn't work with it, you can apply it to another item on your person.

There's an archetype in the book called "The Captivator". Only the name was given!

No info will be shared about the new ancestry until the book's release.

The rest of my write-up about the other spoilers Luis gave about Monsters of Myth, errata updates, and other books and adventures he's involed with can be found HERE.

Accessory Runes are really fun! Randal Meyer, who wrote the section, did a great job with the idea. Unfortunately, we only have a few pages of accessory runes in this book, so we're only just scratching the surface of the idea. I hope we can expand on them a lot more in the future!

I really hope for a "sturdy" rune for shields ^^' I feel like shields are underpowered in general.

Accessory Runes are really fun! Randal Meyer, who wrote the section, did a great job with the idea. Unfortunately, we only have a few pages of accessory runes in this book, so we're only just scratching the surface of the idea. I hope we can expand on them a lot more in the future!

Woohoo, that's me, I did that! It was so much fun seeing what other things runes could do!

Looking forward to all the new gear and new rune and what kind of crazy shop owner NPC's

:)

Tom

Luis Loza mentioned under another product that this book will contain a pangolin animal companion <3

Dino companions?

Now we just gotta cross our fingers for penguins....

Do we know if this book is still on track for a late August (I'm assuming august 25th) release?

It's most likely going to be September 22nd.

This page says 15 September.

Do we know if this book is still on track for a late August (I'm assuming august 25th) release?

That's the expected date for pre-orders to begin. The actual release date is tentatively Sept. 15th. And so long as there aren't anymore weird shipping delays, hopefully we'll be good to stay on track for that date.

I am looking forward to this. I really wish I could get a Pathfinder game started at home, I would love to be able to take advantage of this asn the other books that I buy.

I am looking forward to this. I really wish I could get a Pathfinder game started at home, I would love to be able to take advantage of this asn the other books that I buy.

Not sure where "home" but is there a local game store that could take advantage of our Org Play free scenarios for retailers?

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

I am looking forward to this. I really wish I could get a Pathfinder game started at home, I would love to be able to take advantage of this asn the other books that I buy.

Not sure where "home" but is there a local game store that could take advantage of our Org Play free scenarios for retailers? [/QUOTE

Home is Albuquerque. The one game store that I go to is wary of doing this Org play benefit and is happy to do AL.

Hey, just a head's up y'all. Looks like The Grand Bazaar got delayed by a month. New date is looking to be tentatively October 13th, 2021 (same release day as Guns & Gears).

Where did you get that information?

Where did you get that information?

Look at the Product Availability at the bottom of the description, below the list of authors.

"Preorder, expected approximately 13 Oct 2021"

It was also announced on Paizo's Twitter account. Most of the other September products were delayed to September 22nd. But it looks like The Grand Bazaar was delayed to October 13th.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Where did you get that information?

Look at the Product Availability at the bottom of the description, below the list of authors.

"Preorder, expected approximately 13 Oct 2021"

It was also announced on Paizo's Twitter account. Most of the other September products were delayed to September 22nd. But it looks like The Grand Bazaar was delayed to October 13th.

honestly not surprised. expect every big release to get delayed. I'm expecting guns & gears & night of the grey death to slip to late oct early November

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Where did you get that information?

Look at the Product Availability at the bottom of the description, below the list of authors.

"Preorder, expected approximately 13 Oct 2021"

It was also announced on Paizo's Twitter account. Most of the other September products were delayed to September 22nd. But it looks like The Grand Bazaar was delayed to October 13th.

I am still seeing September.

Just above the "add to cart" button up top it says "Preorder expected late September".

Over on the left hand side, under "Product Availability" is "Preorder, expected approximately 13 Oct 2021".

Your choice. I'd go with the later date.

Both dates are probably correct, as of the moment. Some time in late September, this product is expected to transition from a preorder to a direct purchase, and subscription and other shipments will begin. October 13th is the currently expected street date.

I have seen this pattern with many products over the years.

until the pandemic ends everyone should just expect all 2e books to be delayed because it will keep happening it sucks but it's the world we live in. I'm expecting guns & gears to slip to November & monsters of myth into January

To clarify, Pathfinder Lost Omens: The Grand Bazaar is currently scheduled for an October 13 release.

:(

keftiu wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

Sporkedup wrote:

Hm... Stheno, Tenome, Sasquatch, Eunemvro, Yeti, Minotaur, I dunno.

I have noticed a pattern among monsters intended to be PC ancestries: They tend to have their own ancestry name as one of their keywords -- definitely more than the alignment, size, and type of most creatures. Exceptions tend to be closely related to other PC ancestries (such as hobgoblin having goblin as a keyword).

Of the monsters listed above, the only one that follows the pattern is the Stheno. If it isn't the Stheno, it would have to be something that we don't yet have a generic bestiary entry for.

I believe I saw someone from Paizo outright dismiss this, that traits have no bearing on their likelihood as an ancestry.

I think it is still a good approximation for how they were thinking at the time they wrote the product in which the monster stats were given, even if they ultimately go a different way in the future. In the bestiaries, it really does look like the creatures with their own ancestries as traits are more plausible PC ancestries than the creatures that don't have them. So far, the only creature with its own name as a trait I have noticed that is definitely not a PC ancestry is the Serpentfolk.

I asked about this myself recently in regards to Seugathis actually. I do believe it was James that dismissed it, stating there wasn't really any rhyme or reason why some of them have traits while others don't.

Has there been any news about the ancestry in this book yet? I haven't seen any bt I imagine we have to hear soon (maybe at gencon?).

Has there been any news about the ancestry in this book yet? I haven't seen any bt I imagine we have to hear soon (maybe at gencon?).

Luis Loza has said they want to keep the new ancestry in this book a secret until the book's release. He's willing to spill the beans about nearly anything else in this book, but not that.

Only thing we know for sure, it's an ancestry that's never been playable before in Pathfinder OR Starfinder.

Winkie_Phace wrote:

Aren't there a ton of centaurs on absolam that we don't have a lot of info about?

Yes, but they were in PF1, technically.

If he's not counting that as being in PF1, then I'd agree they're a likely enough candidate as well.

In theory, the change from PF1 to PF2 makes no difference to the history of the setting. Thus, if there were a ton of centaurs on Kortos (Kortos is the island, Absalom is a city on the island) during PF1, they're still there in PF2.

Keep in mind that in most places Golarion is a great wilderness marred by small pockets of civilization. :-)

Centaurs are definitely still in the setting! It's the fact that they had playable stats in the 1E ARG that is the important matter here, though. Those stats disqualify them as the new ancestry for this book. :)

I say Mites, for those who already despised Goblins. Or maybe Gremlins. Could be Morlocks too.

OMG! Gremlins have been demanded for a very long time by some folks int he fan base and Gremlins can be very appropriate to the theme of this book with their role as saboteurs and destroyers of items.

I'm gonna call it now: the new ancestry is Gremlin!

Would be cool to have gremlins as an ancestry but something in me tells me it's not it.

Gremlins would make me miserable. I’m rooting for Stheno, or something truly weird.

Stheno makes sense, considering how it was described as "ancestry ready" multiple times.

Stheno makes sense, considering how it was described as "ancestry ready" multiple times.

But, as far as we know, Stheno does not fit with the theme of this book.

They could fit insofar as:

- Absalom is a melting pot for all sorts of people from across the world, potentially including them
- the Stheno have a strong interest in art, which is something that can be sold at a bazaar (either the works themselves, or related tools and supplies) - indeed it might be that one of the shopkeeper NPCs is a Stheno artist of some kind
- centaurs, minotaurs and harpies inhabit the Isle of Kortos - although medusas (which sthenos originate from) are not directly among them, they're all loosely based in Greek mythology, on top of Absalom's general loosely Greek aesthetic
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These are all stretches, admittedly, but it's not nothing either.

After SoM, I'm even more excited for this book. I feel like SoM introduced a lot of cool concepts, but didn't have enough room to put out too many of the actual items. I'm speculating more than anything, but I do remember during Paizocon hearing 'we ran out of page space' a lot.

Tattoos are the biggest one - I'm glad the flavour and mechanics are out of the way, but we need more!!

They could fit insofar as:

- Absalom is a melting pot for all sorts of people from across the world, potentially including them
- the Stheno have a strong interest in art, which is something that can be sold at a bazaar (either the works themselves, or related tools and supplies) - indeed it might be that one of the shopkeeper NPCs is a Stheno artist of some kind
- centaurs, minotaurs and harpies inhabit the Isle of Kortos - although medusas (which sthenos originate from) are not directly among them, they're all loosely based in Greek mythology, on top of Absalom's general loosely Greek aesthetic
-

These are all stretches, admittedly, but it's not nothing either.

Basically my thoughts on the matter. I suppose it COULD be Harpy, but doubt it.

So I guess the new ancestry in this book still hasn't been revealed, correct?

So I guess the new ancestry in this book still hasn't been revealed, correct?

They've been saying since before Gen Con that it wouldn't be announced prior to release, if my memory serves.

They did reveal in the Discord that it will have a flaw to Dexterity, though.

I still think it is going to be a golem, animated object, Tsukomogami, or something similar.