Haha, OK, let me ask some distracting questions. How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe? What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure? Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?It is being discussed above my pay grade. Rest assured your interest has been communicated.Thanks for the interest! We don’t have a subscription to announce at this time. In Starfinder fashion, we are exploring and experimenting a bit in 2021 and want flexibility.Aaron, let me join the call for requesting an excellent standalone adventure subscription. I would subscribe, as would many others. Please open this up for subscriptions!
Hmm
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, we need subscriptions options here.
Or we will keep typing this to you...
I would want about 6 a year, need enough adventure to last about 3 or 4 four to five hour sessions (so about 12 to 16 significant encounters), and I would be fine with using existing flip-mats or flip-tiles, but would like to see a mix of using new ones and using old ones or using self-contained support (not feeling picky about that).
Haha, OK, let me ask some distracting questions. How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe? What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure? Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?It is being discussed above my pay grade. Rest assured your interest has been communicated.Thanks for the interest! We don’t have a subscription to announce at this time. In Starfinder fashion, we are exploring and experimenting a bit in 2021 and want flexibility.Aaron, let me join the call for requesting an excellent standalone adventure subscription. I would subscribe, as would many others. Please open this up for subscriptions!
Hmm
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, we need subscriptions options here.
Or we will keep typing this to you...
If we're alternating APs and standalone that means we're already gonna be getting 5-6 standalones a year doesn't it?
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If we're alternating APs and standalone that means we're already gonna be getting 5-6 standalones a year doesn't it?Haha, OK, let me ask some distracting questions. How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe? What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure? Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?It is being discussed above my pay grade. Rest assured your interest has been communicated.Thanks for the interest! We don’t have a subscription to announce at this time. In Starfinder fashion, we are exploring and experimenting a bit in 2021 and want flexibility.Aaron, let me join the call for requesting an excellent standalone adventure subscription. I would subscribe, as would many others. Please open this up for subscriptions!
Hmm
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, we need subscriptions options here.
Or we will keep typing this to you...
Thats what I imagined, though paizo devs were being pretty vague in Known Direction Podcast about "new ways to bring content" or something, so thats why I started worrying we are just gonna get more Alexa adventures or something xD
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How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe?
I find this interesting as I’ve heard several Paizo people talk about needing this as a known quantity before offering a subscription. To me this makes no difference - the PF modules went from monthly to bimonthly to...whenever we can (with various attempts to get back on a regular schedule) and it never made a difference to me.
Because you’re so good about cancelling it’s really not a big deal. If a “big month” fell due and I decided to skip the module subscription, CS would handle it for me and I could just sign up again next month.
For me the benefit of a subscription is that I don’t miss anything. I’m not actually committed to buying anything so the regularity won’t really matter in terms of do I subscribe or not.
(In terms of what I want - one a month was great. The golden age of Pathfinder modules was when we got one of them a month alongside one AP, imo).
What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure?
I like the shorter 32 page modules rather than 64 page “super modules”.
I find 16-pagers too short. I’m looking for something that lasts six to eight hours at the table.Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?
If it can utilise published maps (either old sets or specially written maps) it’s way better, but it’s not a dealbreaker if that is just unworkable.
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Haha, OK, let me ask some distracting questions. How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe? What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure? Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?It is being discussed above my pay grade. Rest assured your interest has been communicated.Thanks for the interest! We don’t have a subscription to announce at this time. In Starfinder fashion, we are exploring and experimenting a bit in 2021 and want flexibility.Aaron, let me join the call for requesting an excellent standalone adventure subscription. I would subscribe, as would many others. Please open this up for subscriptions!
Hmm
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, we need subscriptions options here.
Or we will keep typing this to you...
My answers: Any number per year, any length, but definitely self-contained and not paired with any sort of map. Currently I would want all of the standalone adventures and all of the maps, but in the past I might have been interested in one and not the other and thus do not want a single subscription to mix disparate product types (as the old Pathfinder Campaign Setting line did when it slipped in a map folio for the latest adventure path every six months). At least the flip-mats and flip-tiles are similar enough to each other in terms of how they are used that I don't mind them being in the same subscription.
I would want about 6 a year, need enough adventure to last about 3 or 4 four to five hour sessions (so about 12 to 16 significant encounters), and I would be fine with using existing flip-mats or flip-tiles, but would like to see a mix of using new ones and using old ones or using self-contained support (not feeling picky about that).Haha, OK, let me ask some distracting questions. How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe? What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure? Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?It is being discussed above my pay grade. Rest assured your interest has been communicated.Thanks for the interest! We don’t have a subscription to announce at this time. In Starfinder fashion, we are exploring and experimenting a bit in 2021 and want flexibility.Aaron, let me join the call for requesting an excellent standalone adventure subscription. I would subscribe, as would many others. Please open this up for subscriptions!
Hmm
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, we need subscriptions options here.
Or we will keep typing this to you...
Actually, come to think of it, I would be fine with shorter adventures, too. Those short and quick adventures that I can play over the course of just one or two sessions were great, too. So, I guess in the end, I am fine with something longer than a PFS Scenario, whatever length it might be.
...but definitely self-contained and not paired with any sort of map. Currently I would want all of the standalone adventures and all of the maps, but in the past I might have been interested in one and not the other and thus do not want a single subscription to mix disparate product types (as the old Pathfinder Campaign Setting line did when it slipped in a map folio for the latest adventure path every six months). At least the flip-mats and flip-tiles are similar enough to each other in terms of how they are used that I don't mind them being in the same subscription.
I didn’t take Aaron’s question to be “do you want maps in this subscription?” but “do you want these modules to use maps from the (still separate) map subscription?”
Y'all know I love me some Starfinder (Charter Superscriber!) but I think we need to tamp down expectations here. The adventure path line has always been touted as the core of Paizo's business model, and going from monthly to bimonthly isn't something a company does when sales are stellar. This standalone adventure may just be a one-shot experiment or even a way to take advantage of the first chapter of an AP that was written before the decision to slow down that product line. If sales ofJunker's Delight are through the roof, we might imagine a Starfinder module subscription, but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. After all, the product doesn't even go on sale for *seven* months :)
I think one per quarter is a good rate. No preference on if they jive with maps or tiles.
Once per quarter works well enough for me too. The idea of a fluctuating page count also kind of appeals to me; one freedom of having a line like this separate from the AP line AND SFS line is that you don't have any preset constraints. So one quarter having a 32 page short offering, the next a monster 128 page, and then 3 64 pagers in a row, all depending on the kind of story that best supports what's coming out around the same time and what resources you have to develop them, seems pretty appealing to me.
The more frequent and regular the subscription, the more I'd favor a more regular page count though. So if for some reason you picked 6 a year and stuck to it, I'd prefer most to be either 64 or 48 pages, with the occasional 96 thrown in for special events.
I'd definitely like you to use maps already released or concurrently released as well, so that everything can more readily dovetail with each other.
...but definitely self-contained and not paired with any sort of map. Currently I would want all of the standalone adventures and all of the maps, but in the past I might have been interested in one and not the other and thus do not want a single subscription to mix disparate product types (as the old Pathfinder Campaign Setting line did when it slipped in a map folio for the latest adventure path every six months). At least the flip-mats and flip-tiles are similar enough to each other in terms of how they are used that I don't mind them being in the same subscription.I didn’t take Aaron’s question to be “do you want maps in this subscription?” but “do you want these modules to use maps from the (still separate) map subscription?”
If that is what he meant -- I definitely prefer using referencing existing map products over unique maps.
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Thanks all. Product decisions for 2021 have been made, of course. The Marketing Pollster in me is inquiring.
Yes, I meant, "do you want these modules to use maps from the (still separate) map subscription?”
I will say that there is product experimentation happing this year and we have not revealed all. The Powers That Be may not offer a SF Adventure Sub right out of the gate. Or they might. All will be revealed in the fullness of time. We have months before a decision is needed. Adventures Ahead!
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The adventure path line has always been touted as the core of Paizo's business model, and going from monthly to bimonthly isn't something a company does when sales are stellar. This standalone adventure may just be a one-shot experiment or even a way to take advantage of the first chapter of an AP that was written before the decision to slow down that product line.
When it was announced, they indicated it wasn’t because Starfinder was doing poorly, but that they wanted to explore different ways of delivering Starfinder material. I’m pretty sure they’ve already announced that the module line will alternate with the AP, so although there’s no product pages, there’s half a dozen modules lined up for writing/developing/editing/publishing.
It seems to me they use Starfinder as a bit of a “safe” testing ground (3 part APs being the obvious example).
I would like a separate Map product for these one offs please myself :)
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I personally would not mind if these adventures made some use of existing Flip-mats. Create the custom map when the adventure requires it, but also make use of the existing flip-map line. Nor would I mind if the adventures varied in length. I used to adore running PF1 modules over the course of a couple of sessions for players, getting 6-8 hours of gaming story for my players.
Modules gave us a chance to really dig into a story without all the huge time commitment of an AP. Currently, I do both APs and scenarios and would love more mid-length content in between.
Heck yes I will be subscribing when that option is offered.
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Thanks all. Product decisions for 2021 have been made, of course. The Marketing Pollster in me is inquiring.
Yes, I meant, "do you want these modules to use maps from the (still separate) map subscription?”
I will say that there is product experimentation happing this year and we have not revealed all. The Powers That Be may not offer a SF Adventure Sub right out of the gate. Or they might. All will be revealed in the fullness of time. We have months before a decision is needed. Adventures Ahead!
I would like to see the map packs used in the modules. That'd be great. Also I wouldn't complain if there was another map subscription. But still, I want a subscription option.
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I also would love a subscription!
Regarding frequency, somewhere between 1 every two years and 2 every month is probably reasonable for me.
If the adventures/modules drop below one every two years I'll keep the subscription and be a little sad there isn't much happening with it, basically what happened to me with PF1's modules subscription.
If there's more than two adventures/modules a month then I need to talk to my higher-ups (i.e. lovely spouse) and confirm that we have the shelf space to expand our collection that fast. We don't want a containment breach!
I'm fine with any and all map options so long as the traps and secret doors aren't flattened onto the custom maps again. :P
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So now is it public knowledge that Starfinder Adventure Paths will be released every other month because the feedback was we were making them too fast. The Standalone Adventures have been announced and the first Starfinder One-Shot has been mentioned with details going at the end of the month.
In the "open" months we will sometimes print standalone Adventures and other months release PDF One-Shots. We won't be combining the printed and PDFs into one subscription at this time. If/when there is a printed Adventure subscription, that will be decided by the Exec Team. Now you know what I know. I'm excited by the diversity of products and hope you are too. :)
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I do still wish that still means that for first year we will be getting adventure every other month :'D
Like if the plan is to alternate between adventures and oneshots, that does mean there is no currently plan for "level 1, level 4, level 7, level 10, level 13 and level 17 adventure", but that would have been really handy from from my perspective for
1) intermission games(especially since I like having those at higher level) 2) for "we can run this module post ap for few levels before doing homebrew(or just two modules for entire level 20 experience) 3) for the "we could run six modules that cover all levels as sort of episodic mini ap :'D
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I do still wish that still means that for first year we will be getting adventure every other month :'D
Like if the plan is to alternate between adventures and oneshots, that does mean there is no currently plan for "level 1, level 4, level 7, level 10, level 13 and level 17 adventure", but that would have been really handy from from my perspective for
1) intermission games(especially since I like having those at higher level) 2) for "we can run this module post ap for few levels before doing homebrew(or just two modules for entire level 20 experience) 3) for the "we could run six modules that cover all levels as sort of episodic mini ap :'D
Thanks for you input. The team is still producing something every month. I can't say that is that exact level pattern at this time.
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Will there be some kind of way to get a free PDF when preordering this adventure for subscribers of some kind? Or will this be the first Paizo product that does not offer this?
Haha, OK, let me ask some distracting questions. How many adventures a year would you need to see in order to subscribe? What is your ideal length/page-count/playtime for each adventure? Would you want it paired with a Flip-Mat, Flip-Tile, or be self-contained?It is being discussed above my pay grade. Rest assured your interest has been communicated.Thanks for the interest! We don’t have a subscription to announce at this time. In Starfinder fashion, we are exploring and experimenting a bit in 2021 and want flexibility.Aaron, let me join the call for requesting an excellent standalone adventure subscription. I would subscribe, as would many others. Please open this up for subscriptions!
Hmm
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, we need subscriptions options here.
Or we will keep typing this to you...
How many adventures - as many as Paizo can put out but it would be nice to get something in the off months where we aren't getting SF APs.
Length - anything from AP length a 3AP length adventure.
Flip maps/tiles etc are always welcome but not required. Love SF think its an amazing setting, just sad it doesn't have the PF2e base rules (seriously I would love even a quick and dirty SF CRB options conversion).
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Will there be some kind of way to get a free PDF when preordering this adventure for subscribers of some kind? Or will this be the first Paizo product that does not offer this?
To my knowledge, at this time, the Adventure will only be sold at full price at release in both print and PDF formats.
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Will there be some kind of way to get a free PDF when preordering this adventure for subscribers of some kind? Or will this be the first Paizo product that does not offer this?To my knowledge, at this time, the Adventure will only be sold at full price at release in both print and PDF formats.
Aaron, in the past, for products that do not have a subscription those who have pre-ordered get a PDF along with it.
Anticipating this would be the case, I have pre-ordered both of the Starfinder modules. To be blunt, I collect in paper -- but I run exclusively online. The PDF is what I actually use.
If a PDF is available when pre-ordering, all is well. If not, that's not so good (understatement).
There is still some time to go here before July, but clarity on this subject would be appreciated.
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Will there be some kind of way to get a free PDF when preordering this adventure for subscribers of some kind? Or will this be the first Paizo product that does not offer this?To my knowledge, at this time, the Adventure will only be sold at full price at release in both print and PDF formats.Aaron, in the past, for products that do not have a subscription those who have pre-ordered get a PDF along with it.
Anticipating this would be the case, I have pre-ordered both of the Starfinder modules. To be blunt, I collect in paper -- but I run exclusively online. The PDF is what I actually use.
If a PDF is available when pre-ordering, all is well. If not, that's not so good (understatement).
There is still some time to go here before July, but clarity on this subject would be appreciated.
Thanks for the context. I know that the Starfinder Battles were available to preorder at a discount because there is not subscription. I have not been told what we plan to do with this line other than there is no sub at this time. I will amplify information when I have it. Cheers.
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Seconded, the shipping costs to Germany for the book only (and no PDF) would kill the orders for Starfinder Adventures for me.
There will be PDF's available for purchase. I have no information on discounted or free PDFs for subscribers at this time. I will inquire as to our intentions. There is time.
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Thanks for you input. The team is still producing something every month. I can't say that is that exact level pattern at this time.I do still wish that still means that for first year we will be getting adventure every other month :'D
Like if the plan is to alternate between adventures and oneshots, that does mean there is no currently plan for "level 1, level 4, level 7, level 10, level 13 and level 17 adventure", but that would have been really handy from from my perspective for
1) intermission games(especially since I like having those at higher level) 2) for "we can run this module post ap for few levels before doing homebrew(or just two modules for entire level 20 experience) 3) for the "we could run six modules that cover all levels as sort of episodic mini ap :'D
Aaron! We still want subscription options on for adventures. It'll be so much easier than actually having to look every other month to add them.
AND YES I AM LAZY, deal with it!
Is there a reason for not offering a subscription? This is really unusual considering your normal business model.
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Is there a reason for not offering a subscription? This is really unusual considering your normal business model.
As I've said previously, this year is an experiment with the Starfinder AP frequency, new standalone Adventures, and One-Shot balance of products. Paizo is not committing to an Adventure subscription at this time. My personal belief is that sales will be strong and that we will see one eventually, but those decision are made above me. I'm the messenger of what is and what will be in the near term, not so much the why or why not.
QED - Therefore: No book sale from me. PDF only when I am going to play this thing (in other words - probably never). I will look at it at my LFGS and make my decision there. I am profoundly puzzled by this decision.
Agreed. No subscription, no sale.
Without a subscription and the free PDF to mitigate the costs of shipping to the UK this is not economical - especially considering Paizo's baffling insistence in the past year or so of shipping each book in a separate package and the consequential big hike in delivery costs.
For a subscription this is *JUST* balanced in the green, without a subscription it is way in the red financially.
Stop experimenting and go back to providing a quality service.
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Can you please get someone to answer emails to consignments(AT)paizo.com that have been ignored for over a year?
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No sub or PDF for AP subscribers => no book sale from me (and I am a completionist).
Reason: Paying for shipping to Germany for the book plus paying extra for the PDF means I will have costs of more than double the normal asking price to have the book in paper and PDF.
Plan:
Step 1: Buy the book at my FLGS (no shipping costs there).
Step 2: Buy the PDF, when I need it (i.e. I will DM the adventure). Since I have not run a Starfinder campaign yet, the probability of this happening is between 0 and 1%.
Step 3: Ask the same about the next adventure in Starfinder Adventures.
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Thanks for the feedback from some of our international patrons. We support you in buying in the way that make sense for you, especially including your FLGS. Do we want to increase subs? Yes. Do we want to increase FLGS sales? Yes. Do we want to expand online retailers sales? Yes. Our subscriptions are not for everyone, everywhere, and we continue to discuss ways to add value to them. They were designed for those that don't have a FLSG. We are listening and I expect you'll see good news next calendar year. Adventures Ahead!
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QED - Therefore: No book sale from me. PDF only when I am going to play this thing (in other words - probably never). I will look at it at my LFGS and make my decision there. I am profoundly puzzled by this decision.Agreed. No subscription, no sale.
Without a subscription and the free PDF to mitigate the costs of shipping to the UK this is not economical - especially considering Paizo's baffling insistence in the past year or so of shipping each book in a separate package and the consequential big hike in delivery costs.
For a subscription this is *JUST* balanced in the green, without a subscription it is way in the red financially.
Stop experimenting and go back to providing a quality service.
P.S.
Can you please get someone to answer emails to consignments(AT)paizo.com that have been ignored for over a year?
I'll mention it. I think the consignment and store emails go to same person(s), so the store email may get you a response.
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Is it likely that this adventure (and future adventures) will receive SFS sanctioning at some point -- i.e. that it will be possible to apply a boon from this adventure to an existing SFS character, the way we can with Adventure Path volumes?
Very likely, yes :)
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Is there a reason for not offering a subscription? This is really unusual considering your normal business model.As I've said previously, this year is an experiment with the Starfinder AP frequency, new standalone Adventures, and One-Shot balance of products. Paizo is not committing to an Adventure subscription at this time. My personal belief is that sales will be strong and that we will see one eventually, but those decision are made above me. I'm the messenger of what is and what will be in the near term, not so much the why or why not.
It doesn't make a difference to me whether or not there is a subscription, but if there is no PDF copy included with a pre-order I probably will not buy this. I want both physical and PDF but I won't pay for the same thing twice.
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It doesn't make a difference to me whether or not there is a subscription, but if there is no PDF copy included with a pre-order I probably will not buy this. I want both physical and PDF but I won't pay for the same thing twice.Is there a reason for not offering a subscription? This is really unusual considering your normal business model.As I've said previously, this year is an experiment with the Starfinder AP frequency, new standalone Adventures, and One-Shot balance of products. Paizo is not committing to an Adventure subscription at this time. My personal belief is that sales will be strong and that we will see one eventually, but those decision are made above me. I'm the messenger of what is and what will be in the near term, not so much the why or why not.
I am happy to announce that Paizo will offer qualified subscribers a free PDF when they preorder Starfinder Adventure: Junker's Delight.
This was our President's intention, it had not trickled down to me yet. I'll let Customer Service post about what makes a qualified subscriber shortly.
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Thanks for nudging this along Aaron!
I've set the product up so it should grant a complimentary PDF for Starfinder Adventure Path Subscribers who preorder this adventure.
To receive a complimentary PDF of Junker's Delight you need:
- ♳Starfinder Adventure Path subscription
- ♴Preorder Junker's Delight
The PDF will be granted when a SF AP subscriber's preordered copy of Junker's Delight is processed for shipping from our warehouse.
Please email customer service if you have follow up questions.