Haha, just popping in to say we’ve pushed back the next episode of Paizo LIVE to the first Friday in April because I ordered so much awesome art we need more time to pull it all together. We’ll find our stride. Thanks for your interest and support!
I don't think anyone will complain about "so much awesome art".
I look forward to the VOD (Irish time is not conducive to watching live).
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That's because you think you need sleep. I sympathize, but then I'm getting old and I *do* need sleep! :-)
Hummmm, I saw the new art for the Alraune on Google and I thought it would be in this bestiary, but after checking the listing of monsters in the pawn product I know it won't be in this. Maybe the Alraune is going to be featured in the last part of Abomination Vaults, then?
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Hummmm, I saw the new art for the Alraune on Google and I thought it would be in this bestiary, but after checking the listing of monsters in the pawn product I know it won't be in this. Maybe the Alraune is going to be featured in the last part of Abomination Vaults, then?
Hum, interesting, can you link it? I'm curious, the only pathfinder related ones I find are two old ones from 2015.
Hummmm, I saw the new art for the Alraune on Google and I thought it would be in this bestiary, but after checking the listing of monsters in the pawn product I know it won't be in this. Maybe the Alraune is going to be featured in the last part of Abomination Vaults, then?Hum, interesting, can you link it? I'm curious, the only pathfinder related ones I find are two old ones from 2015.
Note: I strongly believe this is for Pathfinder, you can find this image in a Pinterest album where I saw some art, like three weeks before the books they were featured in were released, so I'll guess its for PF since 5e doesn't have Alraune as a creature.
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Note: I strongly believe this is for Pathfinder, you can find this image in a Pinterest album where I saw some art, like three weeks before the books they were featured in were released, so I'll guess its for PF since 5e doesn't have Alraune as a creature.
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Ah, I recognize that! It's 1e, an alraune from my Ecology of Carnivorous Plants article in the back of Tyrant's Grasp book 4, Gardens of Gallowspire.
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I think we should look at potentiall usefullness of the creatures printed in the bestiary. I don't think many people would argue that celestials are a very likely enemy to be faced, whereas fiends are a guarantee. I feel it is okay to only include some celestials and many more fiends TBH.
Usefullness can extend outside of combat. But, one could easily find reason to pit even a good group of heroes up against an Angel if need be.
I'm just saying, as a fan of atypical sources of myth, such as the Garuda and Peri, I would have highly enjoyed seeing them made into the "true" Celestial beings they are toted as being. There are plenty of "lower" Celestial beings in 1e that haven't made the jump to 2e yet, like the Az-azael or Hiracapath; just as we have "lower" Fiends like the Barghest and Yeth Hounds.
If for nothing else, the expension would have served as a great place to give more representation to the cultures these creatures come from; which Pathfinder is pretty good at doing.
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Celestials are player facing monsters, because they can go on summon lists. I like having them, but wish that they would release celestials at the appropriate levels to be summoned.
Ah, I recognize that! It's 1e, an alraune from my Ecology of Carnivorous Plants article in the back of Tyrant's Grasp book 4, Gardens of Gallowspire.
Note: I strongly believe this is for Pathfinder, you can find this image in a Pinterest album where I saw some art, like three weeks before the books they were featured in were released, so I'll guess its for PF since 5e doesn't have Alraune as a creature.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/fe/3a/31fe3aaa2a203d14c405215fde5b0649.pn g
Now I'm depressed! :///////// Thanks for letting me know
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Giant porcupines! Behold the fierce cuteness!!!
I'm just saying, as a fan of atypical sources of myth, such as the Garuda and Peri, I would have highly enjoyed seeing them made into the "true" Celestial beings they are toted as being. There are plenty of "lower" Celestial beings in 1e that haven't made the jump to 2e yet, like the Az-azael or Hiracapath; just as we have "lower" Fiends like the Barghest and Yeth Hounds.
If for nothing else, the expension would have served as a great place to give more representation to the cultures these creatures come from; which Pathfinder is pretty good at doing.
Meanwhile, Couatl (which have been expanded upon, although rather late in P1) aren't even considered Celestials in Pathfinder (P1 & P2), even though their entries read as if they were... :(
--C.
I'm just saying, as a fan of atypical sources of myth, such as the Garuda and Peri, I would have highly enjoyed seeing them made into the "true" Celestial beings they are toted as being. There are plenty of "lower" Celestial beings in 1e that haven't made the jump to 2e yet, like the Az-azael or Hiracapath; just as we have "lower" Fiends like the Barghest and Yeth Hounds.
If for nothing else, the expension would have served as a great place to give more representation to the cultures these creatures come from; which Pathfinder is pretty good at doing.
Meanwhile, Couatl (which have been expanded upon, although rather late in P1) aren't even considered Celestials in Pathfinder (P1 & P2), even though their entries read as if they were... :(
--C.
I think maybe the intention behind them is maybe more of divine spirits in mortal form perhaps? Something similar to the Kami, who you would think would be Celestials as the antithesis to the Oni? Not sure. It is an interesting conversation. The Kami conversation is part of the reason why I want to see something like the Ten included as Celestials.
Has anyone gotten their PDF yet?
Man I can't believe Leonal and Avoral didn't make the cut for the final Bestiary and the agathion inclusion. They're like the two most iconic ones.
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Has anyone gotten their PDF yet?
Yes. Anything you are curious about?
Has anyone gotten their PDF yet?Yes. Anything you are curious about?
The Vilderavn.
Any and all info on them would be greatly appreciated.
Man I can't believe Leonal and Avoral didn't make the cut for the final Bestiary and the agathion inclusion. They're like the two most iconic ones.
Isn't Andoran based on a story involving an avoral? I'm also surprised they didn't both make it.
Man I can't believe Leonal and Avoral didn't make the cut for the final Bestiary and the agathion inclusion. They're like the two most iconic ones.Isn't Andoran based on a story involving an avoral? I'm also surprised they didn't both make it.
I think they just have an Avoral as their kind of patron saint.
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Celestials are player facing monsters, because they can go on summon lists. I like having them, but wish that they would release celestials at the appropriate levels to be summoned.
I just kinda wish that all Summon spells started at level 1, so you could summon your lower level elementals and such from a young age.
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Has anyone gotten their PDF yet?Yes. Anything you are curious about?
The Vilderavn.
Any and all info on them would be greatly appreciated.
Level 16 Creature, has a fear aura that also cause suspicion and paranoia about allies.
Hit by melee attacks causes a bleeding curse that is difficult to stop. When they kill with a critical hit with their jaws, they devour their victim's heart and soul, making resurrection difficult.
Powerful melee combatant with spells designed to manipulate people into doing the fey's bidding while assuming it's the victim's own idea.
How are troops done?
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Curious about what gargantuan or level 20-25 monsters are in the book?
Bone Ship, Level 18
Cavalry Brigade (Troop), Level 8
Chyzaedu, Level 10
City Guard Squadron (Troop), Level 5
Consonite Choir (Swarm), Level 13
Ancient Forest Dragon, Level 19
Ancient Sea Dragon, Level 17
Ancient Sky Dragon, Level 18
Ancient Sovereign Dragon, Level 20
Ancient Underworld Dragon, Level 16
Mosasaur - Tylosaurus, Level 8
Nightmarchers (Troop), Level 14
Ouroboros, Level 21
Rancorous Priesthood (Troop), Level 11
Tyrannosaurus Skeleton, Level 9
Skeleton Infantry (Troop), Level 11
Terra-cotta Garrison (Troop), Level 13
Elysian Titan, Level 21
Thanatotic Titan, Level 22
Danava Titan, Level 23
Hekatonkheires Titan, Level 24
Tzitzimitl, Level 19
Wyrmwraith, Level 17
Elder Wyrmwraith, Level 23
Zombie Shambler Troop (Troop. Surprised?), Level 4
Agathion - Draconal, Level 20
Sahkil - Kimenhul, Level 20
Rakshasa - Maharaja, Level 20
Elysian Titan, Level 21
Krampus, Level 21
Ouroboros, Level 21
Elysian Titan, Level 21
Thanatotic Titan, Level 22
Danava Titan, Level 23
Elder Wyrmwraith, Level 23
Green Man, Level 24
Hekatonkheires Titan, Level 24
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LOTS of hype there :D Ouroboros and bone ship coming back? And lot of Dominions of Black aliens here, wasn't expecting Chyzaedu this early :D
Green Man got nerfed by two levels huh :D I'm not too surprised that Treerazor is only level 25 creature anyway since creature building rules only go up to level 24 anyway and Treerazor should be impossibly hard.(and he is now "the" capstone" unless they change their mind and do 2e mythic).
On sidenote though, does green man description mention chance of even more powerful ones existing? :D
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How are troops done?
Troop Defenses: Each time the Troop is reduced in size because it hits a Hit Point threshold, that threshold becomes its new maximum HP for purposes of healing. They need downtime to recruit new members and heal fallen members to rise back up to full strength. When they hit 0 hp, they drop to 4 squares in size and no longer can function as a Troop. So it disperse, with individuals fleeing, surrendering, or easily dispatched, depending on the creature type and circumstances.
A single target strike cannot drop a Troop by more than one threshold. The Troop would lose hit points to one above its second threshold. An area attack that does not damage and doesn't cover the entire Troop has no effect, unless it affects 4 or more creatures or squares. If this effect would incapacitate the recipients, the Troop loses enough hit points to drop it to the next threshold instead.
Form Up: Allows the Troop to select one square it occupies and form in any shape of continuous squares from that square. A Troop cannot occupy the same space as another creature.
Troop Movement: When the Troop Strides, they can use Form Up as a free action to get into a 20 ft by 20 ft square and then move as a Gargantuan creature moving.
Most troops have a weakness to area damage. You can't summon a troop because they are made up of multiple components.
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LOTS of hype there :D Ouroboros and bone ship coming back? And lot of Dominions of Black aliens here, wasn't expecting Chyzaedu this early :D
Green Man got nerfed by two levels huh :D I'm not too surprised that Treerazor is only level 25 creature anyway since creature building rules only go up to level 24 anyway and Treerazor should be impossibly hard.(and he is now "the" capstone" unless they change their mind and do 2e mythic).
On sidenote though, does green man description mention chance of even more powerful ones existing? :D
No, but there are rules for worshiping them and getting faith power from them—as long as you are a leshy or other plant creature. If you aren't, you need to prove yourself a friend to plants. If so they will happily allow you to worship them...after a lengthy vetting process. :)
Still waiting on mine.
Anyone have a list of monsters included in this?
Personally, I'm more curious if anyone can see what creatures are in the book but not in the pawn collection.
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Personally, I'm more curious if anyone can see what creatures are in the book but not in the pawn collection.
I'm not sure if this is a complete list of omissions, but here's a list of all the gargantuan-sized creatures I've found that weren't made into pawns:
Bone Ship
Chyzaedu
Consonite Choir
Ancient Imperial Dragons
Tylosaurus
Nightmarchers
Ouroboros
Tyrannosaurus Skeleton
Elysian Titan
Thanatotic Titan
Danava Titan
Hekatonkheires Titan
Tzitzimitl
Wyrmwraith
Elder Wyrmwraith
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Thanks for the summary. May have some use for that zombie shambler troop soon!How are troops done?** spoiler omitted **
The zombies were one of my sections. Enjoy your new horde of undead!
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No, but there are rules for worshiping them and getting faith power from them—as long as you are a leshy or other plant creature. If you aren't, you need to prove yourself a friend to plants. If so they will happily allow you to worship them...after a lengthy vetting process. :)
Dang, they're strict.
Got mine in too. Love how many Asian inspired creatures are in this one, as well as a whole lot of nature based creatures.
I think maybe the intention behind them is maybe more of divine spirits in mortal form perhaps? Something similar to the Kami, who you would think would be Celestials as the antithesis to the Oni? Not sure. It is an interesting conversation. The Kami conversation is part of the reason why I want to see something like the Ten included as Celestials.I'm just saying, as a fan of atypical sources of myth, such as the Garuda and Peri, I would have highly enjoyed seeing them made into the "true" Celestial beings they are toted as being. There are plenty of "lower" Celestial beings in 1e that haven't made the jump to 2e yet, like the Az-azael or Hiracapath; just as we have "lower" Fiends like the Barghest and Yeth Hounds.
If for nothing else, the expension would have served as a great place to give more representation to the cultures these creatures come from; which Pathfinder is pretty good at doing.
Meanwhile, Couatl (which have been expanded upon, although rather late in P1) aren't even considered Celestials in Pathfinder (P1 & P2), even though their entries read as if they were... :(
--C.
Stand corrected. Book straight up call Couatls Celestials. Interesting that they aren't labeled or treated as such.
Incredibly happy with the book this far, my two disappointments aside.
I'm starting to think you can't be considered a "True" Celestial being unless your family name starts with the letter "A". Unless your an Asura or of the new Monitor group, the Aesir. Lol
Overall, I love this entry.
I think maybe the intention behind them is maybe more of divine spirits in mortal form perhaps? Something similar to the Kami, who you would think would be Celestials as the antithesis to the Oni? Not sure. It is an interesting conversation. The Kami conversation is part of the reason why I want to see something like the Ten included as Celestials.I'm just saying, as a fan of atypical sources of myth, such as the Garuda and Peri, I would have highly enjoyed seeing them made into the "true" Celestial beings they are toted as being. There are plenty of "lower" Celestial beings in 1e that haven't made the jump to 2e yet, like the Az-azael or Hiracapath; just as we have "lower" Fiends like the Barghest and Yeth Hounds.
If for nothing else, the expension would have served as a great place to give more representation to the cultures these creatures come from; which Pathfinder is pretty good at doing.
Meanwhile, Couatl (which have been expanded upon, although rather late in P1) aren't even considered Celestials in Pathfinder (P1 & P2), even though their entries read as if they were... :(
--C.
Stand corrected. Book straight up call Couatls Celestials. Interesting that they aren't labeled or treated as such.
Incredibly happy with the book this far, my two disappointments aside.
I'm starting to think you can't be considered a "True" Celestial being unless your family name starts with the letter "A". Unless your an Asura or of the new Monitor group, the Aesir. Lol
Overall, I love this entry.
Wait, do they actually have the celestial tag?
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Wait, do they actually have the celestial tag?
They don't. But their description describes them as "serpentine celestials". It is a rather odd omission, since there are also the likes of the "Guardian Beasts" in this book (basically Foo Creatures from 1e), who do have the Celestial trait.
Maybe as time goes, things like this will be reevaluated down the line. Imo, Couatl should have a Celestial tag. And possibly even be an option for an Aasimer Lineage.
Interesting to think about of how they and the Garuda might interact; what with Garudas intense hatred of ophidian creatures.
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Wait, do they actually have the celestial tag?They don't. But their description describes them as "serpentine celestials". It is a rather odd omission, since there are also the likes of the "Guardian Beasts" in this book (basically Foo Creatures from 1e), who do have the Celestial trait.
Maybe as time goes, things like this will be reevaluated down the line. Imo, Couatl should have a Celestial tag. And possibly even be an option for an Aasimar Lineage.
Interesting to think about of how they and the Garuda might interact; what with Garudas intense hatred of ophidian creatures.
THIS!
This is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post. Couatl seem like they should be celestials & are frequently referred to as such in descriptive text but, officially in Pathfinder, they are not.
Moving on,
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Rakshasa - Maharaja, Level 20 yes god bless you all. I only hoe he have some kind of occult télepathic power
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Rakshasa - Maharaja, Level 20 yes god bless you all. I only hoe he have some kind of occult telepathic power
Will many occult telepathic and mind control spells work for you? :)
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When do you all think we will get the rules to make troops instead of waiting to new ones to be published?
I haven't delved into this fully yet, but I'm pretty sure we have the rules already: They're monsters, so build them just like any other monster. These ones would have the Troop trait, plus the abilities that appear to be common for troops (being a little vague here because we're not yet at street date, and I'm not 100% sure that I've identified all of those common abilities from my still somewhat cursory glance at the book). Remind me April 7 and happy to go into these more.
Beyond that, you would give them a couple unique abilities, just like you would any other monster.
So if you wanted to create a troop of minotaurs, for example, I would start by looking at the base minotaur (a level 4 creature). I'd probably say my minotaur troop should be at least level 8 (and honestly, probably minimum Level 9 -- if I did 8, I'd probably say it was a ragtag band of minotaur deserters or come up with some other way to explain why it might not be quite as powerful as expected). My new monster would have the troop trait and the common troop abilities. I'd probably steal the minotaur's Natural Cunning ability, since it would make sense for my troop to have that. And then make up two or three more abilities that make sense (including a way to attack!) and you're done.
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Yes, making Troop encounters is much easier in 2e as you create a creature just like normal then add the Troop trait and requisite abilities. Seriously, it shouldn't be hard.
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Rakshasa - Maharaja, Level 20 yes god bless you all. I only hoe he have some kind of occult telepathic powerWill many occult telepathic and mind control spells work for you? :)
oh yes thank you i almost buy the book for this. A monster with having a kind of professor x power.
Any chance of a peek at the lore for Wyrwoods?
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Any chance of a peek at the lore for Wyrwoods?
Summary of wyrwood lore:
Given their extreme self-reliance, wyrwoods have learned a degree of adaptability that far surpasses other cultures. When a community finds itself in need of a specific skill or function, one member takes iit upon themselves to learn the required abilities. No task is viewed as lesser or demeaning as hubris is foreign to their nature.
A wyrwood's soul is tied to the magical stone that serves as their heart, which sometimes survives destruction of their construct body. Another wyrwood might take the surviving heart from a close companion and incorporate it into their own body, leading to multiple wyrwood consciounesses living within a single body.