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I'm really glad to be getting this book so early in the cycle! I know it was one of Paizo's goals to get us something like this right off the bat, and I appreciate it. It's cool seeing both old favorites, and some new ancestries that just wouldn't have been feasible as PF1 races.
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My players are ecstatic to have Geniekin and Kitsune, can't wait to hear more about this one. I hope James is involved in the Kitsune? I really love what I know about their Tengu and hope for the same rich, authentic, touch.
I have a friend who loves ifrit and who is looking very much forward to this book and these options being available.
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Come my Undine, come to me!
It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.
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Come my Undine, come to me!
It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.
Undine descend from water elementals.
Brine Dragon are water elementals.
Undine can be water dragon girls.
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It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
It would be awesome, specially since you get the looks since level 1 and can purchase all the cool stuff with your racial feats. There's already precedentes for gliding and breathweapon like abilities, but I don't think they would just give limitless flight.
Humbly,
Yawar
A sauriel race would be nice.
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Come my Undine, come to me!
It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.
Undine descend from water elementals.
Brine Dragon are water elementals.
Undine can be water dragon girls.
*The prophecy is true cat reaction*
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Come my Undine, come to me!
It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.
Undine descend from water elementals.
Brine Dragon are water elementals.
Undine can be water dragon girls.
Now I'm wondering about Lineages for Geniekin
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Now I'm wondering about Lineages for GeniekinCome my Undine, come to me!
It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.
Undine descend from water elementals.
Brine Dragon are water elementals.
Undine can be water dragon girls.
That right there is a high quality thing to wonder about.
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I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
We are, we are, we are!
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They are mighty dragons and they wants our meats
That right there is a high quality thing to wonder about.Now I'm wondering about Lineages for GeniekinCome my Undine, come to me!
It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.
It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.
From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.
Undine descend from water elementals.
Brine Dragon are water elementals.
Undine can be water dragon girls.
O.o
o.O
Now that you mention it, that is VERY thought provoking, since they're Geniekin (ergo, descended from Genies) it hadn't occurred to me that it could really be a thing. The Dragon suggestion is neat, or they could reflect subelements the way Ice appears under Water, or if Golarion itself has a means of different action I'm unaware of that would work too.
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Yeah I would prefer a new name for them, or Elemental Scions, since Geniekin is accurate as calling all Tieflings Devilspawn or Aasimar’s Azatakin.
Yeah, it's not an accurate name, though it's on par with the accuracy of the Genasi name in D&D. I think the best approach is probably to consider Elemental Scion an accurate term for OOC purposes, but we can reasonably believe Geniekin is used IC by most people, since the names people use in practice often aren't accurate.
Most Geniekin are descended from genies, so it makes sense for the general population to think that's how they should be named. Scholars likely stick their nose up and correct people with Elemental Scion, the same way they'd correct people with the proper names of outsiders (Velstrac instead of Kyton or Chain Devil, for instance) or the like.
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Yeah I would prefer a new name for them, or Elemental Scions, since Geniekin is accurate as calling all Tieflings Devilspawn or Aasimar’s Azatakin.Yeah, it's not an accurate name, though it's on par with the accuracy of the Genasi name in D&D. I think the best approach is probably to consider Elemental Scion an accurate term for OOC purposes, but we can reasonably believe Geniekin is used IC by most people, since the names people use in practice often aren't accurate.
Most Geniekin are descended from genies, so it makes sense for the general population to think that's how they should be named. Scholars likely stick their nose up and correct people with Elemental Scion, the same way they'd correct people with the proper names of outsiders (Velstrac instead of Kyton or Chain Devil, for instance) or the like.
*nods*
Genasi has the advantage of being a made up word for the setting, similar to Aasimar, Tiefling, Ganzi, Duskwalker, and Aphorite.
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Genasi is a made up word, for sure, but the connection between *Gen*asi and *Gen*ie is still pretty plain and it's reasonable to expect that wasn't an accident. Geniekin resembles Genasi, a term it replaced, because they both resemble Genie.
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I like planar scion.
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I've always liked the term 'Sagani' for the elemental races. Has roots in the real-world as a name for elementals. I think it fits.
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I prefer Geniekin, it's cooler possibly being related to a genie rather than an elemental (no offense to elementals).
Though I understand the appeal of being related to primal dragons and fully support that interpretation.
I guess I have just associated any type of dragon with a dragon blooded Sorcerer or dragon disciple as opposed to an elemental bloodline
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My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.
Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.
Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.
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My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.
Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.
Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.
I like that a lot actually
My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.
Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.
Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.
I've had the same thought myself, and for the same reasons. It just opens so much story potential, and can make for some very interesting characters.
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My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.
Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.
Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.
Hmmm
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Where my Samsarans at? Gimme da blue peeps!
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Any hope for gnolls in this one?
Seconded! The noble gnoll needs her time in the sun!
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I echo the call for gnolls and grippli. Doesn't have to be this book.
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I really like diverging heritage sources, where Geniekin can be the result of a Primal dragon. Like, it's seperate from a full dragon themed option, but I really dig it as a possible origin and flavor. Especially for a character taking some of the other dragon themed options (Dragon Sorcerer, Barb, etc), or maybe allowing a character to take Dragon Disciple because of it.
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Is this the book we're going to get anadi added? All I want is my spider people please.
Sadly, the outline for this book was started before they realized the Anadi would end up being this popular. They are looking closely for a good opportunity to release them. Same reason there’s no Shoony option in the book.
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Is this the book we're going to get anadi added? All I want is my spider people please.Sadly, the outline for this book was started before they realized the Anadi would end up being this popular. They are looking closely for a good opportunity to release them. Same reason there’s no Shoony option in the book.
That seems weird to me. Anadi appeared (and were very excitedly received) at the same time as versatile heritages were floated. Those heritages within a year became a focal method for approaching many ancestries. I am pretty sure in the last year and a half, if they'd wanted to, they could have snuck Anadi into the Ancestry Guide timetable. Especially since we a) don't know how big of a book it will be and b) know they can make these Lost Omens offerings at variable size.
But you may be right. I dunno.
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Arachnophobia is also one of the most common phobia. Enough that we see “spider warning” in lot of product threads.
And my info from above come from a stream with one of the people that worked on that book, and they were asked about Anadi and answered that. I still need to find the exact source because I saw it asked a lot of times, and I would love to have a more precise answer.
a draconic versatile heritage
Would be nice, I agree. I kinda doubt it though.
A canine humanoid race
Shoony not do it for you?
centaur (unlikely due to size)
Pretty sure confirmed not to appear.
gnoll
I'm thinking they said no? Might happen though.