Pathfinder Lost Omens: Ancestry Guide

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The Age of Lost Omens is filled with people of all types, including more than just those of common ancestries. Lost Omens Ancestry Guide places the spotlight on the uncommon and rare ancestries of the Inner Sea (like geniekin, androids, kitsune, sprites, and more!), providing information on their cultures and place in the world. The book also expands on the rules options for these ancestries and versatile heritages. Finally, Lost Omens Ancestry Guide also features new ancestries and versatile heritages including some that are brand new, as well as old favorites from throughout Golarion!

Written by: Calder CaDavid, James Case, Jessica Catalan, Eleanor Ferron, Lyz Liddell, Luis Loza, Ron Lundeen, Patchen Mortimer, Andrew Mullen, Samantha Phelan, Jessica Redekop, Mikhail Rekun, David N. Ross, Mark Seifter, Owen K.C. Stephens, Isabelle Thorne, Linda Zayas-Palmer

Note: Base rules for the Azarketi can be found in an excerpt from Absalom, City of Lost Omens, available as a free download. These rules have been provided for use along with the other Azarketi feats and heritages found in Lost Omens Ancestry Guide.

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-308-9



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Good rules and flavor

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One of the best in the catalogue

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I finally got around to buying my own copy today, but I've loved this book since release! Giving some oddball Ancestries a chance to shine (my beloved Androids!) with not only interesting rules, but phenomenal writeups of their varied ethnic groups and cultures. I'd gladly buy a second Ancestry Guide if it hit on some of my more esoteric favs - Lashunta, Minotaurs, Wyrwoods - with similar care here.

I can't praise the art enough, either.


5/5

An excellent book full of a bevy of options for all the previously released ancestries as well as tons of new ancestry and versatile heritage options. As standard for Lost Omens books it's also accompanied by a bevy of details and lore for all the folks of the Inner Sea and beyond. A very excellent book for anyone who wants to break out of the Core Rulebook options. I think some of my favorite additions are the geniekin heritages. Being able to have a touch of elemental power on any of your favorite ancestries is so much fun. The available variety is incredible.


5/5

This book definitely helps enrich Golarion with more unique demihuman races. I only wish a few more races were covered. Such as minotaurs, caligni, munavri, rougarou, nagaji, vishkanya. But, it's still good!


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I'm really glad to be getting this book so early in the cycle! I know it was one of Paizo's goals to get us something like this right off the bat, and I appreciate it. It's cool seeing both old favorites, and some new ancestries that just wouldn't have been feasible as PF1 races.

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Kitsune!!!!


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My players are ecstatic to have Geniekin and Kitsune, can't wait to hear more about this one. I hope James is involved in the Kitsune? I really love what I know about their Tengu and hope for the same rich, authentic, touch.


I have a friend who loves ifrit and who is looking very much forward to this book and these options being available.


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Come my Undine, come to me!

It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.

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The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Come my Undine, come to me!

It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.

Undine descend from water elementals.

Brine Dragon are water elementals.

Undine can be water dragon girls.


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:


It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

It would be awesome, specially since you get the looks since level 1 and can purchase all the cool stuff with your racial feats. There's already precedentes for gliding and breathweapon like abilities, but I don't think they would just give limitless flight.

Humbly,
Yawar


A sauriel race would be nice.


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Rysky wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Come my Undine, come to me!

It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.

Undine descend from water elementals.

Brine Dragon are water elementals.

Undine can be water dragon girls.

*The prophecy is true cat reaction*


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Rysky wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Come my Undine, come to me!

It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.

Undine descend from water elementals.

Brine Dragon are water elementals.

Undine can be water dragon girls.

Now I'm wondering about Lineages for Geniekin

Contributor

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The-Magic-Sword wrote:
Rysky wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Come my Undine, come to me!

It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.

Undine descend from water elementals.

Brine Dragon are water elementals.

Undine can be water dragon girls.

Now I'm wondering about Lineages for Geniekin

That right there is a high quality thing to wonder about.


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:
I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

We are, we are, we are!


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They are mighty dragons and they wants our meats


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Jessica Redekop wrote:
The-Magic-Sword wrote:
Rysky wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Come my Undine, come to me!

It would be awesome if among those ancestries or versatile heritages, there was a playable dragon. I love kobolds, and the way they are more draconic in 2E surely pleased me, but they aren't dragons.

It's one of my dreams to finally see Paizo's approach into something more akin to the dragonborns - an ancestry of humanoid dragons closely related to the true ones.

From now, alongside the geniekin and more informations of the other planar scions, the Sprite is my favorite inclusion in the book.

Undine descend from water elementals.

Brine Dragon are water elementals.

Undine can be water dragon girls.

Now I'm wondering about Lineages for Geniekin
That right there is a high quality thing to wonder about.

O.o

o.O

Now that you mention it, that is VERY thought provoking, since they're Geniekin (ergo, descended from Genies) it hadn't occurred to me that it could really be a thing. The Dragon suggestion is neat, or they could reflect subelements the way Ice appears under Water, or if Golarion itself has a means of different action I'm unaware of that would work too.

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Yeah I would prefer a new name for them, or Elemental Scions, since Geniekin is accurate as calling all Tieflings Devilspawn or Aasimar’s Azatakin.

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Rysky wrote:
Yeah I would prefer a new name for them, or Elemental Scions, since Geniekin is accurate as calling all Tieflings Devilspawn or Aasimar’s Azatakin.

Yeah, it's not an accurate name, though it's on par with the accuracy of the Genasi name in D&D. I think the best approach is probably to consider Elemental Scion an accurate term for OOC purposes, but we can reasonably believe Geniekin is used IC by most people, since the names people use in practice often aren't accurate.

Most Geniekin are descended from genies, so it makes sense for the general population to think that's how they should be named. Scholars likely stick their nose up and correct people with Elemental Scion, the same way they'd correct people with the proper names of outsiders (Velstrac instead of Kyton or Chain Devil, for instance) or the like.

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Jessica Redekop wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Yeah I would prefer a new name for them, or Elemental Scions, since Geniekin is accurate as calling all Tieflings Devilspawn or Aasimar’s Azatakin.

Yeah, it's not an accurate name, though it's on par with the accuracy of the Genasi name in D&D. I think the best approach is probably to consider Elemental Scion an accurate term for OOC purposes, but we can reasonably believe Geniekin is used IC by most people, since the names people use in practice often aren't accurate.

Most Geniekin are descended from genies, so it makes sense for the general population to think that's how they should be named. Scholars likely stick their nose up and correct people with Elemental Scion, the same way they'd correct people with the proper names of outsiders (Velstrac instead of Kyton or Chain Devil, for instance) or the like.

*nods*

Genasi has the advantage of being a made up word for the setting, similar to Aasimar, Tiefling, Ganzi, Duskwalker, and Aphorite.

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Genasi is a made up word, for sure, but the connection between *Gen*asi and *Gen*ie is still pretty plain and it's reasonable to expect that wasn't an accident. Geniekin resembles Genasi, a term it replaced, because they both resemble Genie.

Silver Crusade

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Yep yep.

(From what I recall that explicitly the case for that name’s creation)


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I like planar scion.


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I've always liked the term 'Sagani' for the elemental races. Has roots in the real-world as a name for elementals. I think it fits.


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I prefer Geniekin, it's cooler possibly being related to a genie rather than an elemental (no offense to elementals).

Though I understand the appeal of being related to primal dragons and fully support that interpretation.


I guess I have just associated any type of dragon with a dragon blooded Sorcerer or dragon disciple as opposed to an elemental bloodline

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My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.

Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.

Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.


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Jessica Redekop wrote:

My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.

Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.

Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.

I like that a lot actually


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Jessica Redekop wrote:

My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.

Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.

Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.

I've had the same thought myself, and for the same reasons. It just opens so much story potential, and can make for some very interesting characters.

Silver Crusade

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Jessica Redekop wrote:

My personal interpretation is that whenever you get something that fits into 2 or more categories (celestial AND elemental, dragon AND elemental, shadow AND fiend, chaotic AND good), you can have the same origin for multiple types of creatures.

Aasimar are descended from Good outsiders; Ganzi are descended from Chaotic outsiders. Azata are Chaotic Good outsiders, ergo mortals descended from them could be aasimar, ganzi, or some combination of the two, depending.

Likewise for the primal dragons. Because they are both dragons and creatures with elemental subtypes native to the inner sphere, they can be used as origins for characters with dragon features, and/or for characters with elemental features. This can also apply, if you want to go there, to fey with elemental themes. Oreads often get cast as stony chunks of living mountains, but I think a dryad-descended oread with tree-like features would be really compelling.

Hmmm

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Android and Kitsune? I'm there.


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Where my Samsarans at? Gimme da blue peeps!

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Any hope for gnolls in this one?


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RiverMesa wrote:
Any hope for gnolls in this one?

Seconded! The noble gnoll needs her time in the sun!

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Master Pugwampi wrote:
RiverMesa wrote:
Any hope for gnolls in this one?
Seconded! The noble gnoll needs her time in the sun!

Thirded! Unleash the Fluffies!

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I would prefer some sort of dragon heritage for dragons though rather than "geniekin but elemental dragon". Just doesn't feel the same to me

Silver Crusade

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It's okay, the "genie" part is misleading, you don't have to be descended from a genie :3

Silver Crusade

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But you can descend from a djinni!

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"Elemental-kin but dragon" wouldn't sound much better to me to be honest, I want that dragon flavor and not elemental flavor if I go for dragon themed heritage ;D

Silver Crusade

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*nods*


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I'm hoping for Grippli & expecting to be disappointed. I have a Griplli Inquisitor in my campaign & couldn't contemplate a conversion to 2E until those building blocks are in place. (though will definitely start any new campaign in 2E)
Anyway, I'll be buying this anyway, can't get enough of new races & sure the crunch/ fluff balance here will be to my liking, as it was in the 1st half of Character Guide.


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I echo the call for gnolls and grippli. Doesn't have to be this book.


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I really like diverging heritage sources, where Geniekin can be the result of a Primal dragon. Like, it's seperate from a full dragon themed option, but I really dig it as a possible origin and flavor. Especially for a character taking some of the other dragon themed options (Dragon Sorcerer, Barb, etc), or maybe allowing a character to take Dragon Disciple because of it.


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Is this the book we're going to get anadi added? All I want is my spider people please.

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tricklet wrote:
Is this the book we're going to get anadi added? All I want is my spider people please.

Sadly, the outline for this book was started before they realized the Anadi would end up being this popular. They are looking closely for a good opportunity to release them. Same reason there’s no Shoony option in the book.


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I just hope the Kitsune are not blocked from play by needing some rare boon.

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Uncommon Ancestries in PFS are purchased with ACP, not any specific boon ^w^


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Elfteiroh wrote:
tricklet wrote:
Is this the book we're going to get anadi added? All I want is my spider people please.
Sadly, the outline for this book was started before they realized the Anadi would end up being this popular. They are looking closely for a good opportunity to release them. Same reason there’s no Shoony option in the book.

That seems weird to me. Anadi appeared (and were very excitedly received) at the same time as versatile heritages were floated. Those heritages within a year became a focal method for approaching many ancestries. I am pretty sure in the last year and a half, if they'd wanted to, they could have snuck Anadi into the Ancestry Guide timetable. Especially since we a) don't know how big of a book it will be and b) know they can make these Lost Omens offerings at variable size.

But you may be right. I dunno.

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I think they assumed that spiders aren't as popular as they are despite Spiderman being popular superhero, giant spiders being one of most common fantasy creatures and all ;D

Grand Archive

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Arachnophobia is also one of the most common phobia. Enough that we see “spider warning” in lot of product threads.

And my info from above come from a stream with one of the people that worked on that book, and they were asked about Anadi and answered that. I still need to find the exact source because I saw it asked a lot of times, and I would love to have a more precise answer.


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my wish list for this book

a draconic versatile heritage

Kitsune (confirmed)

A canine humanoid race

centaur (unlikely due to size)

gnoll


CrimsonKnight wrote:
a draconic versatile heritage

Would be nice, I agree. I kinda doubt it though.

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A canine humanoid race

Shoony not do it for you?

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centaur (unlikely due to size)

Pretty sure confirmed not to appear.

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gnoll

I'm thinking they said no? Might happen though.

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