Pathfinder Lost Omens: Ancestry Guide

We demand a Gremlin ancestry!

I haven't seen anything that would lead me to expect this, but are Shoonies getting any support in this book?

I can't remember if it has been confirmed that they are not, though like I said that appears to be the case. I would be pleased to be wrong.

We demand a Gremlin ancestry!

I definitely could go for a book like Lost Omens: Outcasts or something that covers a bunch of typically evil ancestries (gremlins, drow, sverfneblin, caligni, minotaurs, or even the untouchable serpentfolk). Throw em in as rare ancestries, include a chunk of each ancestry block dedicated to the strictures and narrative weight of playing such a class... but let em out into the world for players to poke at! Spend a lot more time than normal on lore and background for all these.

Though I suppose if that does come, it will be a ways down the road. I am very excited for the imminently approaching Ancestry Guide though! This book is gonna be an awesome addition to my game world.

Do we know how long before this book is PFS sanctioned?

I haven't seen anything that would lead me to expect this, but are Shoonies getting any support in this book?

I can't remember if it has been confirmed that they are not, though like I said that appears to be the case. I would be pleased to be wrong.

No shoony support in this book, unfortunately. The book came to be before shoonies were solidified as a concept, so they just missed the boat on showing up in this book. If enough people want more shoony options, we'll definitely do our best to include them in the future!

We demand a Gremlin ancestry!

*waves hands in the air*

Testify!

AnimatedPaper wrote:

I haven't seen anything that would lead me to expect this, but are Shoonies getting any support in this book?

I can't remember if it has been confirmed that they are not, though like I said that appears to be the case. I would be pleased to be wrong.

No shoony support in this book, unfortunately. The book came to be before shoonies were solidified as a concept, so they just missed the boat on showing up in this book. If enough people want more shoony options, we'll definitely do our best to include them in the future!

I think people very much do want more shoony content. Maybe you can throw some feats into the Absalom book, although its probably too late for that as well.

I think people very much do want more shoony content. Maybe you can throw some feats into the Absalom book, although its probably too late for that as well.

Excepting the delays to expand the NPC gallery/etc, Absalom was written just shy of a year before Ancestry Guide, yeah - just look at the dates their respective product pages were posted. Wishes for additional content in either books are ultimately just wishes for additional delays.

You guys think androids are going to be rare or just uncommon? I don't have any pf1 experience, not sure how uncommon they are there (have a feeling it's relatively common in some areas, rare in others?)

Androids are uncommon. iPhones are rare.

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

*breaks out the old spreadsheet*

Yeah, I'd assume so based on general population densities on Golarion. Aasimars and tieflings tend to be next, at least in the counted population data from all the 1E books, both under 1% of the population, so basically no other ancestry is going to be common, I assume. Obviously an ancestry might be more common within a specific area, but in general, yeah, those are the results.

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

*breaks out the old spreadsheet*

Yeah, I'd assume so based on general population densities on Golarion. Aasimars and tieflings tend to be next, at least in the counted population data from all the 1E books, both under 1% of the population, so basically no other ancestry is going to be common, I assume. Obviously an ancestry might be more common within a specific area, but in general, yeah, those are the results.

That is neat that we have those numbers, but I think it has more to do with the 'not appropriate for every campaign' angle, kinda like how iron gods would be kinda awkward with a Hobgoblin PC (if its the one I'm thinking of.)

I would love to see how they implement sprites, if they're a tiny race with early flight abilities that would be really cool to see in game. I also want to see large ancestries in the future but I know it's a bit more tricky with dungeons in mind.

VestOfHolding wrote:

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

*breaks out the old spreadsheet*

Yeah, I'd assume so based on general population densities on Golarion. Aasimars and tieflings tend to be next, at least in the counted population data from all the 1E books, both under 1% of the population, so basically no other ancestry is going to be common, I assume. Obviously an ancestry might be more common within a specific area, but in general, yeah, those are the results.

That is neat that we have those numbers, but I think it has more to do with the 'not appropriate for every campaign' angle, kinda like how iron gods would be kinda awkward with a Hobgoblin PC (if its the one I'm thinking of.)

Yeah, agreed. That's the kind of things I meant by an ancestry more/less common within a specific area.

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

Shoonies are rare.

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

Shoonies are rare.

To be fair, Shoonies weren't introduced in a core or lost omens book either.

AnimatedPaper wrote:

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

They'll probably be uncommon, but mostly because I think every Ancestry released after the core book is technically uncommon.

Shoonies are rare.

To be fair, Shoonies weren't introduced in a core or lost omens book either.

They do state "uncommon and rare" in the description for the book, so now I wouldn't be surprised if they meant that literally

Yeah, I'm pretty sure everything in this book will either be uncommon or rare.

Androids specifically might be rare, but have Access or Region "from Broken Lands".

I am so very much looking forward to this one, Kitsune and Fetchlings are huge for me, I have players chomping at the bit for Androids, and the bits and pieces teased about Geniekin and their lineages have me really excited as well. I've also been feeling like the new Ancestries from the APG and LO:CG badly need more feats. Its the only thing holding me back from certain ones, like Hobgoblins.

This is a shot in the dark, but I've been crossing my fingers for an Oni Lineage for Tieflings-- nothing stops me from flavoring it now, but it'd be a big boon to a certain area of my setting, and just a really cool possible use of the ancestry system.

I have players chomping at the bit for Androids, and the bits and pieces teased about Geniekin and their lineages have me really excited as well.

1) I too, am very ready for androids.

2) do you know where to find said bits and pieces teasing the geniekin?

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

I have players chomping at the bit for Androids, and the bits and pieces teased about Geniekin and their lineages have me really excited as well.

1) I too, am very ready for androids.

2) do you know where to find said bits and pieces teasing the geniekin?

This thread, theres a person with a contributor tag hinting about lineages for the geniekin being for different elemental creatures (like primal dragons!) And someone somewhere mentioned each geniekin is a seperate heritage. I think that was Luis.

Nugs-Not-Drugs666 wrote:

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

and the bits and pieces teased about Geniekin and their lineages have me really excited as well.

2) do you know where to find said bits and pieces teasing the geniekin?

This thread, theres a person with a contributor tag hinting about lineages for the geniekin being for different elemental creatures (like primal dragons!) And someone somewhere mentioned each geniekin is a seperate heritage. I think that was Luis.

Oops! Do you mean me? Let me super big clarify and disclaim: I did not intend to hint at the book's content with anything I've posted in this thread.

I just love geniekin and love to talk about them :) There are so many flavourful ways geniekin characters can be created, and several compelling ways lineages for geniekin can be implemented into the game. However exactly they're implemented, and whether it's in this book or in later books adding more geniekin content, I'm sure they will be extremely cool.

I am allowed to tease things, however, so let me do one last geniekin tease before the year ends!

As I've teased before, each geniekin (ifrit, oread, suli, sylph, undine) are their own separate versatile heritage with their own set of ancestry feats. However, we realized there would be lots of overlap on common themes and ideas across the geniekin, so rather than replicate similar feats across all geniekin, we have a dedicated set of general ancestry feats that are available to all geniekin. These are things like a feat to gain darkvision or the genie weapon feats.

Hope that makes this wait even more unbearable!

Guuhhhh how dare you. That's great.

I am allowed to tease things, however, so let me do one last geniekin tease before the year ends!

As I've teased before, each geniekin (ifrit, oread, suli, sylph, undine) are their own separate versatile heritage with their own set of ancestry feats. However, we realized there would be lots of overlap on common themes and ideas across the geniekin, so rather than replicate similar feats across all geniekin, we have a dedicated set of general ancestry feats that are available to all geniekin. These are things like a feat to gain darkvision or the genie weapon feats.

Hope that makes this wait even more unbearable!

Sounds like the best of both "multiple versatile heritages" and "a single heritage with multiple lineages", and a great use of PF2's design. I can't wait to read it!

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

Nugs-Not-Drugs666 wrote:

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

and the bits and pieces teased about Geniekin and their lineages have me really excited as well.

2) do you know where to find said bits and pieces teasing the geniekin?

This thread, theres a person with a contributor tag hinting about lineages for the geniekin being for different elemental creatures (like primal dragons!) And someone somewhere mentioned each geniekin is a seperate heritage. I think that was Luis.

Oops! Do you mean me? Let me super big clarify and disclaim: I did not intend to hint at the book's content with anything I've posted in this thread.

I just love geniekin and love to talk about them :) There are so many flavourful ways geniekin characters can be created, and several compelling ways lineages for geniekin can be implemented into the game. However exactly they're implemented, and whether it's in this book or in later books adding more geniekin content, I'm sure they will be extremely cool.

Gotcha, sorry I misunderstood, the "that right there is a high quality thing to wonder about" in response to the thing about genie kin and elemental dragons, made me think we stumbled into something you were working on and excited to show off.

I am allowed to tease things, however, so let me do one last geniekin tease before the year ends!

As I've teased before, each geniekin (ifrit, oread, suli, sylph, undine) are their own separate versatile heritage with their own set of ancestry feats. However, we realized there would be lots of overlap on common themes and ideas across the geniekin, so rather than replicate similar feats across all geniekin, we have a dedicated set of general ancestry feats that are available to all geniekin. These are things like a feat to gain darkvision or the genie weapon feats.

Hope that makes this wait even more unbearable!

I was wondering about that, neat to have confirmation it would work that way, it also opens up room for them to potentially interact in weird ways, like dual element geniekin, kinda like how Goblins have that feat that lets them mutate a second heritage.

I would love to see how they implement sprites, if they're a tiny race with early flight abilities that would be really cool to see in game. I also want to see large ancestries in the future but I know it's a bit more tricky with dungeons in mind.

Pretty sure they confirmed that they don’t have a fly speed at the start, and that it’s explained in lore as they are a bit like the gnomes, they have lost their connection to the First World, so they lost most of their fey magic.

Nugs-Not-Drugs666 wrote:

I would love to see how they implement sprites, if they're a tiny race with early flight abilities that would be really cool to see in game. I also want to see large ancestries in the future but I know it's a bit more tricky with dungeons in mind.

Pretty sure they confirmed that they don’t have a fly speed at the start, and that it’s explained in lore as they are a bit like the gnomes, they have lost their connection to the First World, so they lost most of their fey magic.

I expect them to have feats like Tengu/Tiefling/Aasimar with temporary flight mid levels, then permanent flight at high level.

Dang, I would love to see some sort of drawback from being tiny that makes them able to support early flight (maybe not level 1, but earlier and more permanent than the others)

I do hope that kitsune will have the opportunity to get all of their tails.

They will!

Can't wait for this book. Hope it's still on schedule!

Oh yeah, I want it so much!

Hoping we'll at least get 1st level feats that allow a Geniekin player to give their Geniekin a specific subrace (aka ifrit, oread, suli, sylph, and undine).

Also hoping we'll get one or two feats to reflect the white furred, pale eyed Kitsune who often become venerated oracles of their kind.

Cthulhudrew wrote:

We demand a Gremlin ancestry!

I definitely could go for a book like Lost Omens: Outcasts or something that covers a bunch of typically evil ancestries (gremlins, drow, sverfneblin, caligni, minotaurs, or even the untouchable serpentfolk).

Wait, aren't Svirfneblin mostly neutral in alignment? Also, are all Minotaurs evil? I seem to recall there are civilized Minotaurs living near or in Absolom.

Sporkedup wrote:

Cthulhudrew wrote:

We demand a Gremlin ancestry!

I definitely could go for a book like Lost Omens: Outcasts or something that covers a bunch of typically evil ancestries (gremlins, drow, sverfneblin, caligni, minotaurs, or even the untouchable serpentfolk).

Wait, aren't Svirfneblin mostly neutral in alignment? Also, are all Minotaurs evil? I seem to recall there are civilized Minotaurs living near or in Absolom.

You're right, svirfs are actually less commonly evil than the other races. That, funnily enough, is something I learned about an hour ago while researching the Darklands.

I'm not sure I follow your previous post, though. Unless you missed the part where Luis confirmed each of the five geniekin is its own heritage, not just lineages for a singular geniekin heritage?

Hoping we'll at least get 1st level feats that allow a Geniekin player to give their Geniekin a specific subrace (aka ifrit, oread, suli, sylph, and undine).

Also hoping we'll get one or two feats to reflect the white furred, pale eyed Kitsune who often become venerated oracles of their kind.

Luis confirmed earlier that each type of geniekin will be its own versatile heritage, and that in addition each type of geniekin would have its own lineages

I noticed this tweet from paizo about the Ancestry Guide where it mentioned 6 Ancestries would be in the book. https://twitter.com/paizo/status/1345822502359064580

So what we know: Sprite, Fetchling, Android, Kitsune, and then 2 mystery ones?

I noticed this tweet from paizo about the Ancestry Guide where it mentioned 6 Ancestries would be in the book. https://twitter.com/paizo/status/1345822502359064580

So what we know: Sprite, Fetchling, Android, Kitsune, and then 2 mystery ones?

It says the CRB introduces six ancestries? That's a boggling-ass tweet.

From when they announced it in May:

Freshly announced on today's stream! I figured I'd hurry up and get us a thread.

EDIT: More content for leshies, hobgoblins, and iruxi, plus a bunch of new ancestries - geniekin, androids, sprites, kitsune, fleshwarps, fetchlings all mentioned.

The tweet says "six ancestries that are particularly common in the Inner Sea Region". The website blurb talks about "uncommon and rare" ancestries.

It is altogether unclear how many ancestries will be discussed in this book, how many will be new, and what the rarity of any new ones will be. But from the product page, it seems we will have at least kitsune, androids, geniekin, and sprites, and these will be either uncommon or rare. I guess we'll have to wait and see for more details.

The tweet says "six ancestries that are particularly common in the Inner Sea Region". The website blurb talks about "uncommon and rare" ancestries.

It is altogether unclear how many ancestries will be discussed in this book, how many will be new, and what the rarity of any new ones will be. But from the product page, it seems we will have at least kitsune, androids, geniekin, and sprites, and these will be either uncommon or rare. I guess we'll have to wait and see for more details.

I mean, the tweet says:

"The Pathfinder Core Rulebook introduces six ancestries that are particularly common within the Inner Sea region, but these represent only a small fraction of Golarion’s diverse peoples."

This seems like a set up to explain what uncommon ancestries are much more than to tweet out info about how many new ones are coming with this book.

AP's post two up from here has the full list of specific named things so far confirmed.

Ed Reppert wrote:

The tweet says "six ancestries that are particularly common in the Inner Sea Region". The website blurb talks about "uncommon and rare" ancestries.

It is altogether unclear how many ancestries will be discussed in this book, how many will be new, and what the rarity of any new ones will be. But from the product page, it seems we will have at least kitsune, androids, geniekin, and sprites, and these will be either uncommon or rare. I guess we'll have to wait and see for more details.

I mean, the tweet says:

"The Pathfinder Core Rulebook introduces six ancestries that are particularly common within the Inner Sea region, but these represent only a small fraction of Golarion’s diverse peoples."

This seems like a set up to explain what uncommon ancestries are much more than to tweet out info about how many new ones are coming with this book.

AP's post two up from here has the full list of specific named things so far confirmed.

Indeed. The six ancestries in the CRB are human, elf, gnome, goblin, halfling and human. In the Last Omens Ancestry Guide there are 14 ancestry/heritages that have already been presented and are being expanded, if you include gillmen. There are 14 ancestry/heritages that are new to Pathfinder Second Edition, when you count all the geniekin. All are uncommon or rare.

The tweet is a teaser introduction to the Ancestry Guide. The full paragraph can be found on Facebook. Happy New Year!

Indeed. The six ancestries in the CRB are human, elf, gnome, goblin, halfling and human. In the Last Omens Ancestry Guide there are 14 ancestry/heritages that have already been presented and are being expanded, if you include gillmen. There are 14 ancestry/heritages that are new to Pathfinder Second Edition, when you count all the geniekin. All are uncommon or rare.

The tweet is a teaser introduction to the Ancestry Guide. The full paragraph can be found on Facebook. Happy New Year!

Sweet! 14 existing ancestries and heritages with expansions, and 14 new ancestries and heritages!

I think we've only heard of 11 of the 14 new. That's so awesome. I'm pumped.

Oops! Misread the tweet I linked. I blame it on just waking up. >.<

Though I'm glad there was a clarification from Aaron Shanks. :)

They will!

Yesss, I'm looking forward to playing a ninetails!

Still crossing my fingers for a half-dragon versatile heritage though :)

Indeed. The six ancestries in the CRB are human, elf, gnome, goblin, halfling and human. In the Last Omens Ancestry Guide there are 14 ancestry/heritages that have already been presented and are being expanded, if you include gillmen. There are 14 ancestry/heritages that are new to Pathfinder Second Edition, when you count all the geniekin. All are uncommon or rare.

The tweet is a teaser introduction to the Ancestry Guide. The full paragraph can be found on Facebook. Happy New Year!

14 new additions? So given 5 ancestries have been revealed so far, and 5 versatile heritages have been revealed via the geniekin, that leaves 4 yet unknown ancestries/versatile heritages!

Alright everyone, time to speculate. Who do you think will be getting in? I'm thinking Samsarans, Varanasi, and maybe the Drow if they are written as a full separate ancestry VS Elves.

Ganzi and Aphorite seem possible. There was a Ganzi in a recent AP. That would bring versatile heritages up to 7, and splitting those in half seem quite plausible.

I'd love if Rougarou made it in. Shabti as well. And perhaps some of the Starfinder ancestries.

I would also love a "Kami, but in a humanoid form", as a sort of leshy that doesn't adopt plants or fungi. Maybe some kind of Mortic?

Edit: Also, whatever new name they're going to come up with Skinwalkers.

I'm here to make known that there's people that want Ghorans.

First non-human character I ever played.