Pathfinder Lost Omens: Ancestry Guide

Sorry folks, in last weekend's email I mistakenly called the CHANGELING an uncommon ancestry. It is a heritage. I will correct in next weekend's email.

A small nit to pick, in future books can we get ancestries and versatile heritages separated like in the Advanced Player's Guide.. I know it says it right in the description but the people I play with apparently don't see it because I don't know how many times people try to combine heritages with heritages or ancestries with ancestries.

Also, not to be That Guy but Fleshwarps should have definitely been a versatile heritage instead of an ancestry.

Fleshwarp is hard to pin down. The category is too broad, in my opinion, to be just a heritage... But it definitely also suffers a bit from the specificity of being an ancestry. We'll see--I'll withhold judgment till someone at one of my tables tries it out. :)

Where the mek are the mekking Drow?!

I love Fleshwarps personally and I love the heritages they have for them but they do sound like something that's a heritage not an ancestry.

However, it's simple enough in my own campaign where if someone wants to play say a gnome fleshwarp it should be relatively easy to accommodate.

I love Fleshwarps personally and I love the heritages they have for them but they do sound like something that's a heritage not an ancestry.

However, it's simple enough in my own campaign where if someone wants to play say a gnome fleshwarp it should be relatively easy to accommodate.

I agree, however my "logic" behind it in my own headcannon is that the mutation that turns you into a fleshwarp is so grand you ultimately lose whatever you were before.

Lore wise, no logical reason why you can't be a Dwarf Fleshwarp. But you've been mutated/experimented on so much and so deeply that any trace of your Dwarven ancestry is gone. Now you are...this.

I don't know if this is Paizo's view point on it, but that's how I see the justification in my head.

Thats pretty descriptive of all drow and lamia fleshwarps <_<

And since Dwarf is a common ancestry, you can take the Adopted Ancestry (Dwarf) feat to regain some of your former dwarfishness.

At any rate, it's a wonderful book and I highly recommend it.

Pretty sure the reason Fleahwarps are Ancestries is be the process by which they become Fleshwarps changes them so wholly and completely on a biological level that they are hardly recognizable on a fundamental level as what they once were.

Now, do I think there is room for it as a Heritage as well? Yes. Perhaps you weren't changed as throughly as others were.

That being said, I think maybe a more elegant way of handling it on a mechanical level is to include a 1st level Feat that effectively suggests what Ancestry you were originally by giving you access to that Ancestries Feats up to a certain level (we will say 2nd for the 1st level Feat), treat you as that Anceatry for the sake of taking Feats, magic, etc., and grant you a 1st Level Ancestry Feat when you take it (this way, it doesn't feel like your wasting that Feat just to gain access). As you level, you can take more advanced versions of this feat, which allows you to take further Ancestry Feats to a certain level. Example, the level 5 version of this Feat allows you to take any Ancestry Feat 3rd level or lower, while simultaneously granting you a 3rd level Feat when you take it. I'd say keep this up to just before the highest level Ancestry feats you can take (effectively, barring you from ever gaining the highest level Feats as a result of not fully being whatever Ancesrry you once were).

Hope that make sense.

One of the fleshwarp picture in the book was a dwarf.

One thing I like about Fleshwarp as a full Ancestry is that you can combine it with something like Tiefling/Ganzi (for some very heavy demonic/Maelstrom corruption), Geniekin (for elemental modification), or Duskwalker (somebody brought back to life "wrong"). It does mean that you can't represent a base ancestry without Adopted, and I wish they included "medium or small" in the rules, but it's not like there aren't advantages too.

One thing I like about Fleshwarp as a full Ancestry is that you can combine it with something like Tiefling/Ganzi (for some very heavy demonic/Maelstrom corruption), Geniekin (for elemental modification), or Duskwalker (somebody brought back to life "wrong"). It does mean that you can't represent a base ancestry without Adopted, and I wish they included "medium or small" in the rules, but it's not like there aren't advantages too.

Maybe there could be an ancestry feat in the future that gives Adopted Ancestry and the Lore associated with your former ancestry.

QuidEst wrote:

One thing I like about Fleshwarp as a full Ancestry is that you can combine it with something like Tiefling/Ganzi (for some very heavy demonic/Maelstrom corruption), Geniekin (for elemental modification), or Duskwalker (somebody brought back to life "wrong"). It does mean that you can't represent a base ancestry without Adopted, and I wish they included "medium or small" in the rules, but it's not like there aren't advantages too.

Maybe there could be an ancestry feat in the future that gives Adopted Ancestry and the Lore associated with your former ancestry.

Maybe even make you small if your chosen race was small? There's not too much mechanically different between the two sizes as is.

I think luis or eleanor said when asked on stream that if you wanted to be a small fleshwarp you could be one and it wouldn't make a difference, and that if they had thought of that when writing the book he would have included an option, or something along those lines

Now gotta keep eye out for that azarketi pdf :3

I think we may have a relatively long wait. They said it would be available today, but I don't think they specified a time. Since I can't find it half an hour after midnight Pacific time, my best guess is that they will make it available with a blog at noon Pacific time -- and that is still 11 hours and 20 minutes away.

I think we may have a relatively long wait. They said it would be available today, but I don't think they specified a time. Since I can't find it half an hour after midnight Pacific time, my best guess is that they will make it available with a blog at noon Pacific time -- and that is still 11 hours and 20 minutes away.

It's available for anyone curious.

David knott 242 wrote:

I think we may have a relatively long wait. They said it would be available today, but I don't think they specified a time. Since I can't find it half an hour after midnight Pacific time, my best guess is that they will make it available with a blog at noon Pacific time -- and that is still 11 hours and 20 minutes away.

It's available for anyone curious.

Then don't be a jerk about it. Where is the Azarketi PDF?

I think they might have meant ancestry guide pdf?

Anyway, huh I had completely forgotten Strigoi were thing in Pathfinder vampire lore because they had never been statted x'D Nice to see devs remember that obscure lore tidbit

Hi there, hello.

Does a Lost Omens or any other subscription come in a PDF option?

Hey all - any updates on the Web Supplement for Azarketi Ancestry?

Hi there, hello.

Does a Lost Omens or any other subscription come in a PDF option?

All subscriptions are for the physical version, and generally come with the PDF as a bonus. I believe subscriptions help provide a more reliable estimate of physical sales in order to keep production overhead down.

Hey all - any updates on the Web Supplement for Azarketi Ancestry?

Not that I have seen, so it looks like my prediction is coming true. It is now close to 9:30 a.m. Pacific time. The Paizo "office" opens in half an hour, and their standard time for putting up blogs is in 2-1/2 hours. So my best guess is that we will see a blog with a link to this Web supplement in 2-1/2 hours.

I feel bad bringing this up...

"Uncommon" is misspelled in the Overview a total of 14 times. (It's "Uncomon" every time.)

Is anyone else seeing the entire thread in italics?

Is anyone else seeing the entire thread in italics?

It looks like someone missed a closing italics code in the note in the product description.

Hello friends! We have a blog from Luis revealing the Pathfinder Lost Omens: Ancestry Guide going up today about 2 PM Pacific. The free Azarketi Ancestry PDF has gone live, above. There will also be links to it on the blog. (Not currently planning to put a link on the City of Absolam hardcover product page.) No logging in or watermarking is required.

Also, the misspelling of Uncommon is known. We saw it after printing, but before it was released to you. One does not *need* to bring it up at this point as it has been mentioned on multiple posts. Let's all all get it out of our systems, shall we? I'm grateful when a typo has no effect on actual game play. :) Adventures Ahead!

Kelseus wrote:

Is anyone else seeing the entire thread in italics?

It looks like someone missed a closing italics code in the note in the product description.

Seriously? That makes the entire comments thread show up in italics? Yeesh. Well it's fixed now, sorry for the dumb.

BlindmanV2 wrote:

Hi there, hello.

Does a Lost Omens or any other subscription come in a PDF option?

All subscriptions are for the physical version, and generally come with the PDF as a bonus. I believe subscriptions help provide a more reliable estimate of physical sales in order to keep production overhead down.

Thanks for the quick reply and stuff, I'll see if the PDF is available.

So excited and already bought a copy of the PDF! Can't wait to make all kinds of exciting new characters from this!

Thanks for the quick reply and stuff, I'll see if the PDF is available.

So far, Paizo does not have subscription options for any PDF products.

If you want the PDF of a product, you have two ways of obtaining it
a) Subscribe to the product line and receive the PDF as a free bonus. You get access to your PDF on the day your hard-copy version is shipped from the Paizo warehouse. Usually this is a week (or more) before the 'street date' for the product.

b) Buy the PDF directly from the Paizo website. You can buy the PDF starting on the street-date for the product. Before it is available for purchase, the product description usually includes the date that it will be available.

QuidEst wrote:

BlindmanV2 wrote:

Hi there, hello.

Does a Lost Omens or any other subscription come in a PDF option?

All subscriptions are for the physical version, and generally come with the PDF as a bonus. I believe subscriptions help provide a more reliable estimate of physical sales in order to keep production overhead down.

Thanks for the quick reply and stuff, I'll see if the PDF is available.

It is now. Just downloaded my pdf!

I've been eagerly awaiting this day. Hoping that even if my book didn't arrive, the pdf would be included as a bonus. No bueno, so far. Not complaining, just eager to make my next character concept.

BlindmanV2 wrote:

Thanks for the quick reply and stuff, I'll see if the PDF is available.

So far, Paizo does not have subscription options for any PDF products.

If you want the PDF of a product, you have two ways of obtaining it
a) Subscribe to the product line and receive the PDF as a free bonus. You get access to your PDF on the day your hard-copy version is shipped from the Paizo warehouse. Usually this is a week (or more) before the 'street date' for the product.

b) Buy the PDF directly from the Paizo website. You can buy the PDF starting on the street-date for the product. Before it is available for purchase, the product description usually includes the date that it will be available.

Thank you for being so helpful CrystalSeas.

I feel bad bringing this up...

"Uncommon" is misspelled in the Overview a total of 14 times. (It's "Uncomon" every time.)

Don't feel bad this jumped out at me as well. Since I bought the digital, I'm hoping this gets updated soon - maddening to look at in those headings.

I may be being blind but I dont see base info like HP, speed and traits in the Azarketi entry.

I may be being blind but I dont see base info like HP, speed and traits in the Azarketi entry.

Those are on the third page of the free download above.

Another one for the potential errata. The wish knife lists damage as 1d4 P with the versatile P trait. I'm guessing it should be versatile S to match the dagger (or 1d4 S versatile P would work too...)

I may be being blind but I dont see base info like HP, speed and traits in the Azarketi entry.

Actually, none of the Ancestries in Chapter 1 have that info. And yes, I get that it's a duplication of info that's already in the APG and LOCG, but if one owns one of those two books but not both, as I do, it leaves a bit of a blind spot.

Man, this is a gorgeous book. I am saving up ACP to become a Sprite, though I have not decided whether I want to become a Draxie or a Grig!

I will say that my existing characters were excited for the new feats for the ancestries. I was over the moon at getting new feat options for my Duskwalker and Kobold PFS characters.

Hmm

"My mom is Tosof, the famous morrigna who serves as Parole Officer for mortals who interfere with the flow of souls, like Artokkus Kirran and Old-Mage Jatembe. Now I can pick up Morrigna Affinity feat and do cool spider things someday!" The red-haired duskwalker elf spins around, singing: "Spider elf, spider elf, all spidery now herself. Look out, it's the spider elf!"

To the Devs: this Duskwalker wants a heritage feat that will let her get a spider or nosoi familiar. PLEASE? Pretty please? As it is, I am currently looking at having to pick up a witch dedication in order to get a spider familiar and later grab the feat that would let me casually chat with all spiders.

andreww wrote:

I may be being blind but I dont see base info like HP, speed and traits in the Azarketi entry.

Actually, none of the Ancestries in Chapter 1 have that info. And yes, I get that it's a duplication of info that's already in the APG and LOCG, but if one owns one of those two books but not both, as I do, it leaves a bit of a blind spot.

The space needed to re-print that other info would have taken away new feats and heritages for each of the previous entries. And Paizo has stated it's not interested in doing that, especially since the information is readily available for free online over at Archives of Nethys.

If you can't use AoN for whatever reason, all the more reason to buy the APG/LOCG, then.

Aaron, where and how does one sign up for subscriber emails to hear about cool new Paizo things? I want to be one of the cool kids in the know.

Hmm

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I like almost everything in this book, but I have to ask, Paizo, do you hate ranged rogues or something? You have no rackets that support ranged attacks, and now you release two ancestries that are lorewise known for rogues: sprite and kitsune, but you give both of them a ranged natural attack feat that doesn't work with sneak attack? Why the torture?

Mastermind can flat foot at range. Other party members could trip or grapple.

The non-agile unarmed attacks is a bit disappointing though.

To the Devs: this Duskwalker wants a heritage feat that will let her get a spider or nosoi familiar. PLEASE? Pretty please?

I would like to see the soul warden appear in 2e is some way or form ^_^

Can someone help me make heads or tails of the wish blade and wish knife?

The Conduct Energy action has a Requirement of "Your last action or spell this turn had" the various energy traits in question. Once you conduct, it lasts until the start of your next turn. Am I nuts or does that not leave a lot of time to use the channeled energy? Unless 'your last action' means last in the sense of 'the action taken immediately before using Conduct Energy' and not 'this is your 3rd action for the turn.'

Anyone got any insight to offer here?

Thanks in advance.