Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide

I hope the magus comes soon.

I wonder if dragon disciple will allow other dragon types like 1e used to and not just the metallic and chromatic.

I wonder if dragon disciple will allow other dragon types like 1e used to and not just the metallic and chromatic.

I think we have a chance of seeing them for the dragons released in B1 and B2, but will probably get a sidebar/section update in a later book. Here is hoping if it’s a later book it’s a book kind of dragon focused to begin with.

I vaguely remember in the description that was given for Mauler that it is good for two handers, and attacking everything around it. I really hope that translates to being able to give any class whirlwind attack (I also hope it's not strictly limited to 2 handed, as whilrwind strike isn't). I used to try to get whirlwind attack on everything it made even a little bit of sense on in 1e, hope I can do it again with things like thief and druid!

I'm also very excited for skill feats. I hope there's a legendary acrobatics feat, feels like there should be.

I agree, though one should note that Acrobatics has some "back-door" legendary skill feats via upgrades to Cat Fall, Quick Squeeze, and Nimble Crawl.

Is this being put on Roll20? Hoping it will be, especially since it may be 2021 before we put an actual real-life book to use

Gaulin wrote:

I'm also very excited for skill feats. I hope there's a legendary acrobatics feat, feels like there should be.

I agree, though one should note that Acrobatics has some "back-door" legendary skill feats via upgrades to Cat Fall, Quick Squeeze, and Nimble Crawl.

Maybe with the acrobat dedication?

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

I wonder if dragon disciple will allow other dragon types like 1e used to and not just the metallic and chromatic.

I think we have a chance of seeing them for the dragons released in B1 and B2, but will probably get a sidebar/section update in a later book. Here is hoping if it’s a later book it’s a book kind of dragon focused to begin with.

I hope so.

Is this being put on Roll20? Hoping it will be, especially since it may be 2021 before we put an actual real-life book to use

It's hard to say. They had pre-orders available for Bestiary 2 about 2 months out from its release date, so I'm not sure why pre-orders aren't up yet for APG, other than unannounced delays or a focus on other games (like D&D's next hardcover, or the new game Burn Bryte).

Shockingly enough, the newest Paizo product they're offering is... Starfinder's Alien Archive 2? Which is years old at this point. Just a weird month for them to choose to do catch-up on the backlog, y'know?

Will the mammoth rider be available soon?

Will the mammoth rider be available soon?

We've gotten the list of archetypes in the APG, and Mammoth Rider is not one of them. There's Cavalier and an animal-companion-focused archetype, though.

If you're asking about other products here, then… probably not any of the APs we know about, and the Ancestry Guide seems unlikely.

Will the mammoth rider be available soon?

I don't know if there's a mammoth animal companion, but there is the indomitable animal companion advancement that's available to you if you are from the land of the mammoth lords.

I think the indomitable companion only grows to large in size but thematically it is a great and fearsome beast, so why not a mammoth?

I do agree that it would be cool to have some sort of archetype that deals with "prehistoric" savage animals as mounts in general.

Any word on when this might start shipping out? Based on the release date being the end of the month, I assumed it would have started shipping already but I haven't seen any emails/notifications...

Any word on when this might start shipping out? Based on the release date being the end of the month, I assumed it would have started shipping already but I haven't seen any emails/notifications...

Shipping dates for this month is the 13th to the 24th

i am wondering if the they were goin bring back the gunslinger to 2e

i am wondering if the they were goin bring back the gunslinger to 2e

Not this book, but we've been told they know there's demand, they talked about how it was considered for this, but that it would have meant an entire chapter devoted to firearms.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Will the mammoth rider be available soon?

I don't know if there's a mammoth animal companion, but there is the indomitable animal companion advancement that's available to you if you are from the land of the mammoth lords.

I think the indomitable companion only grows to large in size but thematically it is a great and fearsome beast, so why not a mammoth?

I do agree that it would be cool to have some sort of archetype that deals with "prehistoric" savage animals as mounts in general.

That is what was so cool about the 1e PRC.

What's the point of a player-side Huge animal rider PrC/archetype/whatever in a game that's about raiding 5' wide corridor tombs, dungeons and castles?

I'm actually glad PF2 doesn't devote nearly as much attention to mounted combat as PF1 did. The cavalier archetype in APG is all the nod to fans of Halflings/Gneums riding fluffy big doggos the game needs.

What's the point of a player-side Huge animal rider PrC/archetype/whatever in a game that's about raiding 5' wide corridor tombs, dungeons and castles?

I'm actually glad PF2 doesn't devote nearly as much attention to mounted combat as PF1 did. The cavalier archetype in APG is all the nod to fans of Halflings/Gneums riding fluffy big doggos the game needs.

Play the game you like and dont get upset that others might like other options.

Gorbacz wrote:

What's the point of a player-side Huge animal rider PrC/archetype/whatever in a game that's about raiding 5' wide corridor tombs, dungeons and castles?

I'm actually glad PF2 doesn't devote nearly as much attention to mounted combat as PF1 did. The cavalier archetype in APG is all the nod to fans of Halflings/Gneums riding fluffy big doggos the game needs.

Play the game you like and dont get upset that others might like other options.

You can like whatever you want, but I prefer to spend my hard-earned money on the content I'm going to use.

It nice that we are not bound to play with only the content you want to play with or find useful.

It nice that we are not bound to play with only the content you want to play with or find useful.

I don't care how you play your game and I don't care how the bag spends their money. I do, however, appreciate when Paizo is focusing their efforts on things that benefit more people (Lost Omens specific stuff aside).

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

It nice that we are not bound to play with only the content you want to play with or find useful.

I don't care how you play your game and I don't care how the bag spends their money. I do, however, appreciate when Paizo is focusing their efforts on things that benefit more people (Lost Omens specific stuff aside).

That however is pretty subjective.

And I asked if ut would be an option not where it would be. Though the 1st edition versions both csme out in Golarion specific books.

Sporkedup wrote:

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

It nice that we are not bound to play with only the content you want to play with or find useful.

I don't care how you play your game and I don't care how the bag spends their money. I do, however, appreciate when Paizo is focusing their efforts on things that benefit more people (Lost Omens specific stuff aside).

That however is pretty subjective.

And I asked if ut would be an option not wherr it would be

You're not wrong. I think the smaller, more bizarre possibilities are plausibly coming, albeit very deprioritized.

Personally I'd love to see gigantic mounts and things. But building a character around that does mean they really can't participate in much of the prewritten modules or APs. So I don't know when or what the ramifications of such an idea would be.

Also I should know better than to step in the middle of a discussion between you two, whoops!

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Sporkedup wrote:

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

It nice that we are not bound to play with only the content you want to play with or find useful.

I don't care how you play your game and I don't care how the bag spends their money. I do, however, appreciate when Paizo is focusing their efforts on things that benefit more people (Lost Omens specific stuff aside).

That however is pretty subjective.

And I asked if ut would be an option not wherr it would be

You're not wrong. I think the smaller, more bizarre possibilities are plausibly coming, albeit very deprioritized.

Personally I'd love to see gigantic mounts and things. But building a character around that does mean they really can't participate in much of the prewritten modules or APs. So I don't know when or what the ramifications of such an idea would be.

Also I should know better than to step in the middle of a discussion between you two, whoops!

Small and mammoth ;)

Right now there arent many wilderness options for PF2E are there? The recently completed AP did have troglodytes ridinfg dinos I think.

Small and mammoth ;)

Right now there arent many wilderness options for PF2E are there? The recently completed AP did have troglodytes ridinfg dinos I think.

You are correct, and they have special mount-riding rules that PCs don't have access to yet. Or maybe ever--I could see the powers they have in that regard working to balance enemy encounters but being a pretty broken possibility for players.

The strange point is that people still think dungeons as 5´ althrough most Paizo dungeons are 10´ sized for ogres and giants walking around.

The strange point is that people still think dungeons as 5´ althrough most Paizo dungeons are 10´ sized for ogres and giants walking around.

You got any stats for this? Because I've just grabbed a random AP and it's mostly 5'. Did you do any research? I'd be thrilled to read down a professional breakdown of corridor sizes in Paizo adventures.

Did you research your 5 foot claim? Hmm.

I love that Pathfinder is able to tell tales about Dungeon crawls (Shattered Star, Emerald Spire), wide open spaces (Kingmaker, Azlant), cities (Crimson Throne, Hell's Rebels), and many other things. I'd get bored with a 5' corridor game pretty damn quickly.

Giantslayer, Runelords Trilogy, and others feature dungeons built by and partially for giants. Kingmaker, Winter, Azlant, Ameiko's quest, and others feature overland travel quite a bit. I've enjoyed the variety.

Crimson Throne and Hell's Rebels are dungeons in cities. There's startingly little open-air street action in both, most of the game as presented is crawling across 5' narrow Scarwalls and Temples of Asmodeus. Excuse me, in Hell's Rebels you can ride your Mammooth in the opera. That's fun.

Giantslayer is a notable exception, but it's also a crap AP and you should feel bad about reminding me that it exists.

Of course, the GM can craft an adventure that's full of wide and open spaces and play up overland travel in AP but this means tailoring the entire AP just because somebody wants to play a silly character. If somebody would ever come at me with an idea of playing a mounted character in Pathfinder, let alone one that rides something that's 4 squares big, I'd tell them to throw that idea into the trashcan and come up with something that won't disrupt the entire game. Narrow Frame horses squeezing through crypts are silly. They just are. You can't change my mind about this.

Yes, I'm a bad GM who takes the fun away from people, but I feel good about that.

Anyway, there is plenty of room within the published Paizo adventures to play a mounted character.

Edited to remove what could be considered personal attack.

I will say, Paizo has been better recently about making more room in their dungeons, both for Pathfinder and Starfinder.

It's still an issue occasionally (a Troglodyte riding a triceratops in a crypt comes to mind) but they have gotten better.

There are two maps in the last Age of Ashes book with 20' squares.

Huh... Is the hardcover coming out at the same time as the PDF? That's unusual, if so, isn't it? I'm used to waiting a bit for the PDF to drop (save for when I was subbed, of course)

The PDF is available the same time as the physical book's street date, that's always been the case.

The PDF is available the same time as the physical book's street date, that's always been the case.

Thanks Rysky! For some reason I was equating the date you could order it from the website as the same as the street date. I'm very excited and impatient, clearly haha

Hehe no worries, we’re all hyped and excited for this one :3

I am hoping to get my copy yesterday. :-)

I'm going to start feverishly checking my email two weeks prior to release. Until then I'm going to try to distract myself by trying to enjoy myself.

Just got my notification email, if that helps build hype. (edit: note, the email saying a shipment is being readied, not the notice that the shipment is on the way and I now have the PDFs. That will be later.)

My poor credit card cried out in terror and was suddenly silenced when I saw the total at the bottom, but I'm sure it's fine.

I'm still waiting for mine right now, my group keeps asking me when the shipping dates are, we're nail-bitingly excited for this.

I am hoping to get my copy yesterday. :-)

Talk to Captain Yesterday, maybe? I hear they slice hot peppers with saws and something about bears, sounds like an awesome person full of potential to get things done before today.

Got the shipment pending notice yesterday, and this page has been updated to say I purchased this yesterday. No PDF yet, but hopefully soon :)

Shipping is expected to start on Monday.

Got my sub auth email this morning. Here's hoping I don't end up with three copies of this book, one regular and two special edition.

I'm hoping for some previews soon. That'll tide me over until the 30th.

Little disappointed no preview today but I guess the wait isn't too much longer. Maybe we'll get some tidbits on here as people get their copies shipped. I know I'm insane with curiosity about so many things!!

Edit - I spoke too soon! There is a little reveal

I wish my subscription order is going to be shipped early - so much stuff waiting to be read and experimented with! Everytime i get an email i check it and am disappointed that it's not about order shipping :(

Well at least if other posters are correct, some people should be getting pdfs today. Maybe if they're feeling generous we might see some bits of info show up here or reddit or the like.

I know it won't get me anywhere to check my orders/downloads every so often... But I'm still doing it. The need is a mighty one :x