Pathfinder Adventure Path #145: Hellknight Hill (Age of Ashes 1 of 6)

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Pathfinder Adventure Path #145: Hellknight Hill (Age of Ashes 1 of 6)

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Dawn of a New Age

Fires burn atop the ruined citadel on Hellknight Hill, sending plumes of red smoke into the air that could be a call for help. Within the old keep, strange invaders from a distant land, mysterious long-lost ruins, and the machinations of a shadowy organization await discovery. Something dire is building toward an apocalyptic event, and it falls to your characters to stop the end before it begins. The Age of Ashes Adventure Path begins with "Hellknight Hill"—a complete adventure for 1st- to 4th-level characters.

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Awesome!

5/5

I love it!

It's fun, easy to run with an interesting backstory, I can't wait for part two!

My only complaint is the toolbox seems a bit disorganized, but I'm sure Paizo is working on that as they've never shied away from evolving the Adventure Path line.

I'd pay top dollar for whatever product that has the Anadi ancestry.

Not sure how having sympathetic goblins equates to SJW status, whatever that means.

At any rate, anything to stick it to D&D 5th edition!


Disappointing Start

1/5

As an RPG veteran, I found Hellknight Hill to be a letdown. It may be fine if you are a newb, or new to Pathfinder, but to someone who's been around the block, it's average at best. The plot doesn't really make sense, the behavior of the Hellknights who lived in the citadel is not logical, and it seems like every decision in-world is made to benefit the PCs. Add onto this the SJW culture embedded in the module and worlds and it's just not believable. It's like playing a fantasy version of 21st century Seattle ultra-liberal politics. Goofy and weird. Alienating to long time players like me. Not recommended.


A fun introduction to Pathfinder 2.0

5/5

As someone who has mostly played D&D 5E in recent years, this adventure is a wonderful introduction to a new system. There are odd elements in some maps, to be sure --- I was particularly struck by the kitchen and pantry that were not connected --- but I really enjoy the way that classic dungeon crawl elements are loaded down with opportunities to approach play in different ways. In comparison with D&D adventures, this book felt almost overloaded with small story moments.

In play, the adventure feels diverse and fun, with different kinds of activities and adversaries. For a low-level adventure, I can't ask for much more.

Edit to add: the now-repeated complaints in negative reviews about "SJW" content make no sense without specifics. This book doesn't engage in real-world politics, from any perspective.


A good first leg

5/5

—The Good: This is a fun adventure, in a classic style. There’s a bit of dungeon crawling, some fun role playing opportunities, and a good plot hook. It does a nice job of foreshadowing future legs of the AP, and sprinkling in interesting bits of Golarion lore.

It also has several encounters which can be resolved without combat in one way or another, and a number of non-killing things XP awards, cutting down on the combat grinding feel the PF1 older APs sometimes have.

—The Bad: As some other reviewers mentioned, it did seem a bit rushed in parts. (For example, avoiding spoilers, there’s an opportunity in the second half to parley with the leader of some potential opponents, but no guidance with respect to how this might go; an NPC who we’re told will leave the party after a certain point, but then descriptions of what the NPC will say at various points after that; and a place where you’re directed to another entry for details of how a different NPC might come to help, but in that other entry no mention of this.)

—The Pretty: Fantastic production values, with beautiful maps, great art, attractive layout, and a helpful DM toolkit collecting useful information for the DM.

—Rating: 4.5/5 stars, rounded up.


Solid Intro

4/5

Pros:

Interesting monsters (Lots of variety)

Solid Story (Some plot holes)

Awesome use of skill checks (Great to see how the new system is used and plenty of examples for people to get a feel for new system)

Maps are fantastic (My opinion)

Cons:

Feels rushed (Plot holes,typos,some people and events don't make sense, art that doesn't match up to descriptions)

Forcefed SJW content ( Paizo is getting really bad for doing this and not touching on subjects that they feel are offensive or controversial)

Unrealistic NPCS ( Paizo used to have great NPCs but I feel this gender equality and love everybody shift is really hampering having a product that properly portrays the innate hatred and biases that fantasy races do have.)


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Can you please do one thing different in the new AP volumes?

Please include a list of the magical and special items that can be found throughout the adventure in an appendix at the end of the book and where they can be found.
Most ideally include the value behind the item.

It takes up so much time to search for all the items throughout the books of an AP (i am now looking in book #1 & 2 of Strange Aeons where which books have been found to see what kind of bonus they give to skill checks and it is so much unnecessary work).

Thank you for considering this. :-)

Something like this is VERY much part of the plan, but it's not going to be something we'll be able to solve with the first volume of Age of Ashes. Or the second. MAYBE by the third adventure... but no promises.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Can you please do one thing different in the new AP volumes?

Please include a list of the magical and special items that can be found throughout the adventure in an appendix at the end of the book and where they can be found.
Most ideally include the value behind the item.

It takes up so much time to search for all the items throughout the books of an AP (i am now looking in book #1 & 2 of Strange Aeons where which books have been found to see what kind of bonus they give to skill checks and it is so much unnecessary work).

Thank you for considering this. :-)

Something like this is VERY much part of the plan, but it's not going to be something we'll be able to solve with the first volume of Age of Ashes. Or the second. MAYBE by the third adventure... but no promises.

Thank you for your very quick answers here and for all the great work and improvements in the last 10+ years and hopefully the next 10+ years. :-)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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And in fact, I think we just solved it all in time for the first Adventure Path. We shall see!

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James Jacobs wrote:
And in fact, I think we just solved it all in time for the first Adventure Path. We shall see!

Even if it is just an appendix in the sixth book, it will be a tremendous help!

Thank you! :-)

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I just extended my subscription with my FLGS up to AP #150!


Aashaq, Sixth King, Damiel... Who else could it be? The "ultimate villain" of this adventure.

Mr. Erik has said this adventure will take us across the continent and even beyond, that there is a network of portals that we will use to travel, and that we will uncover a draconic conspiracy...

Aashaq is one of the most notorious dragons in the setting, but we can't forget there is the suspicious gold dragon in Hermea, a nation of dragons in the Dragon Empires, and also the linnorms of the First World. There's also the Black Comment of Rovagug and the immortality seeking blue dragon Deyrubrujan.

Yet again, I still think that the villain isn't going to be a dragon. Maybe it has one of the dragon controlling orbs or an alliance with dragons, but I think the bad guy will be an humanoid or half humanoid.


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I think the main villain will be Cosmo.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I think the main villain will be Cosmo.

The return of the Runelords, then Tar-Baphon, followed by Cosmo?!?

Has Golarion not suffered enough?!?

;)


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In the words of the dumb thief from Home Alone: "NEVER!"


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Honestly the more i think on it the more it feels like we may be seeing Choral the Conqueror, or possibly finding out what happened to House Rogarvia. The back matter in Kingmaker implied that that dragon was using the name, but might not actually be Choral. I think it would be a bit neat though if this flight of dragons set to burn all was actually the Rogarvia family, who were secretly dragons taking a humanoid form, and something lead to them fleeing. But this is just my new crazy theory.


Have the titles of the other adventures been revealed yet?

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Nick O'Connell wrote:
Have the titles of the other adventures been revealed yet?

Nope.

Dark Archive

Another thing i would like to see for second edition is a flip-mat for at least the first book of an AP (ideally one for each book).

I know it isn't possible to provide a flip-mat for each encounter area, but i am thinking about something like the "Town square" flip-mat for the RotR AE/AP #1.

In the case of this AP, how cool would it be to get the entry area of the Hellknight citadel?

You provided a great multi-pack for the playtest & also a flip-mat for the first second edition module, so it doesn't seem impossible. ;-)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Marco Massoudi wrote:

Another thing i would like to see for second edition is a flip-mat for at least the first book of an AP (ideally one for each book).

I know it isn't possible to provide a flip-mat for each encounter area, but i am thinking about something like the "Town square" flip-mat for the RotR AE/AP #1.

In the case of this AP, how cool would it be to get the entry area of the Hellknight citadel?

You provided a great multi-pack for the playtest & also a flip-mat for the first second edition module, so it doesn't seem impossible. ;-)

We aren't doing flip-mat tie ins for Adventure Paths at this point.

Dark Archive

Are pawn collections still going to be a thing for second edition?

Alternatively, is "Pathfinder Battles: Legendary Adventures" (september 2019) going to contain some minis featured in the "Age of Ashes" adventure path?

Thank you for your time. :-)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Marco Massoudi wrote:

Are pawn collections still going to be a thing for second edition?

Alternatively, is "Pathfinder Battles: Legendary Adventures" (september 2019) going to contain some minis featured in the "Age of Ashes" adventure path?

Thank you for your time. :-)

You'll have to wait for announcements to find out.

Grand Lodge

Will the adventure paths be numbered starting with 1.
The collector in me wants this so much as I wasn’t able to collect all the AP’s for first edition lol.

If not please consider this for us collectors.

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Larz wrote:

Will the adventure paths be numbered starting with 1.

The collector in me wants this so much as I wasn’t able to collect all the AP’s for first edition lol.

If not please consider this for us collectors.

This has already been answered as one of the first comments on page 1.

This is numbered AP #145.


James Jacobs wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Are pawn collections still going to be a thing for second edition?

Alternatively, is "Pathfinder Battles: Legendary Adventures" (september 2019) going to contain some minis featured in the "Age of Ashes" adventure path?

Thank you for your time. :-)

You'll have to wait for announcements to find out.

The lack of any pawn announcement so far doesn't seem to bode well, but I hope I'm just being paranoid...


bugleyman wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Are pawn collections still going to be a thing for second edition?

Alternatively, is "Pathfinder Battles: Legendary Adventures" (september 2019) going to contain some minis featured in the "Age of Ashes" adventure path?

Thank you for your time. :-)

You'll have to wait for announcements to find out.
The lack of any pawn announcement so far doesn't seem to bode well, but I hope I'm just being paranoid...

So far, pawn collections have been released after the main product, as supplements. IIRC, they are among the products mentioned to be included in second edition new product lines.

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The Gold Sovereign wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Are pawn collections still going to be a thing for second edition?

Alternatively, is "Pathfinder Battles: Legendary Adventures" (september 2019) going to contain some minis featured in the "Age of Ashes" adventure path?

Thank you for your time. :-)

You'll have to wait for announcements to find out.
The lack of any pawn announcement so far doesn't seem to bode well, but I hope I'm just being paranoid...
So far, pawn collections have been released after the main product, as supplements. IIRC, they are among the products mentioned to be included in second edition new product lines.

I don't know.

D&D hasn't got any pawn products and Wizkids is selling a lot more pre-painted miniatures for that line than for the Pathfinder Battles line.
Paizo is paying for the pawns production themselves, whereas Wizkids is producing the minis under license from Paizo.

Not producing pawns does save costs.

If looking back at Pathfinder 1E, there havn't been any pawns for the early APs.
Only the "Rise of the Runelords Anniversary edition" introduced them and "Skull & Shackles" was the first AP to receive pawns in 2013.

Legacy of Fire, Second Darkness, Council of Thieves, Kingmaker, Serpent's Skull, Carrion Crown & Jade Regent have no pawns.

It may very well be financially viable to not produce any pawns initially.

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I don't think not producing pawns from the get go was a marketing tactic, they just didn't start off with them for a variety of reasons.

Considering how easy they sell out I don't think we'll have to worry about them not making them :3


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I know I have every AP pawn set released so far, for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

And I'd love to buy sets for the previously missed APs if offered.


So I still think main villain might be Cosmo disguised as another entity in this AP.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
So I still think main villain might be Cosmo disguised as another entity in this AP.

The Villain was revealed in the Pathfinder Friday show and its reveal surely made this AP even more appealing to me. There's a huge possibility for two articles I always hoped for to finally make it in one of the volumes.

Spoiler:
I hope to see articles about the dragon gods Dahak and Apsu and their heralds in the bestiaries. Maybe even a new draconic ancestry?


It still could be Cosmo! He just puts on a mask and stuff.


The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
So I still think main villain might be Cosmo disguised as another entity in this AP.

The Villain was revealed in the Pathfinder Friday show and its reveal surely made this AP even more appealing to me. There's a huge possibility for two articles I always hoped for to finally make it in one of the volumes.

** spoiler omitted **

oh what was it about the reveal that boosted your interest?


Eternally Lost Boy wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
So I still think main villain might be Cosmo disguised as another entity in this AP.

The Villain was revealed in the Pathfinder Friday show and its reveal surely made this AP even more appealing to me. There's a huge possibility for two articles I always hoped for to finally make it in one of the volumes.

** spoiler omitted **

oh what was it about the reveal that boosted your interest?

Well, the main villain was revealed to be...

Spoiler:
Dahak, an evil dragon god, and the AP will be expanding pathfinder's draconic lore.

My two favorite creature types are the fey - and we got a whole Campaign Setting about them, their realms and their Eldest - and the dragons... We don't have enough information for dragons as we have for the fey, so I'm really excited to see Paizo expanding on this subject. Their faith, their society, maybe an ecology article about the many types or groups of dragons.

The other point is that Paizo has finally touched a subject that a number of their costumers had been asking for, even if some were skeptical (myself included) about them doing an AP about this particular subject. Now I can say it, we don't need to be afraid of Paizo not doing their adventures because a similar story has been told by others.

So I'm happy that we are finally getting some draconic love. I'm hoping for faith articles, ecology for unexplored ones, player options and maybe even an ancestry... Half or even one of this additions would be great!


how easy will it be to convert it into PF1 rules?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

We did have a few PF1 (and earlier) books from Paizo dealing with Dragons.

But I am sure some people will always be in the market for more draconic lore and material, and Linnorms too :-D

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Hythlodeus wrote:
how easy will it be to convert it into PF1 rules?

Just as easy/hard as converting anything from 1e/2e/4e/5e to PF1 is.


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The only off putting thing for me with the AP is that the pawns will probably be out after the AP wraps up in 2020. I never liked this, I know the reasoning is because the artwork and whatever isn't ready to go right away for pawns but it makes little sense to have the pawns come out after the AP in my mind.

I have all the Pawns anyways from every set in Pathfinder/Starfinder so I'm sure I'll make do but it sure would be nice to have these at the beginning of AP's instead of after.

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It makes a lot of sense, because running an AP until you have all 6 books isn't something you should be doing. It's only after you can read the entire campaign that you can properly calibrate it towards your group and avoid any funny situations where you let some important NPC die in book 1 only to discover, to your horror, that book 6 returns just to that NPC and he or she is super important for any reason.

Liberty's Edge

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This is very cool. Glad Paizo finally figured how to do a dragon themed AP.


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In case you missed it, James also revealed the titles and authors of all six parts of this adventure path:

Spoiler:

  • #145: Hellknight Hill, by Amanda Hamon
  • #146: Cult of Cinders, by Eleanor Ferron
  • #147: Tomorrow Must Burn, by Run Lundeen
  • #148: Fires of the Haunted City, by Linda Zayas-Palmer
  • #149: Against the Scarlet Triad, by John Compton
  • #150: Broken Promises, by Lyz Lidell (I think)

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It's nice to see how the number of female AP writers has steadily increased over the last 10 years. The hobby is changing :)


Zaister wrote:

In case you missed it, James also revealed the titles and authors of all six parts of this adventure path:

** spoiler omitted **

The last one sounds more like Luis Loza to me.


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HTD wrote:
Zaister wrote:

In case you missed it, James also revealed the titles and authors of all six parts of this adventure path:

** spoiler omitted **
The last one sounds more like Luis Loza to me.

That is entirely possible. I was quite unsure what James said there.

Contributor

Yep, the last volume is Luis Loza!

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While i really love Pathfinder 1.0, the thing that pisses me off the most is the unrealistically low AC of enemies & NPCs.

I have to spend more and more hours to re-design the poorly designed stats of the opponents in the AP volumes.
This isn't the case in low level play, but the higher the level gets, the more apperant it gets.

In Starfinder the math is very tight and a +1 or +2 to hit from the envoy often makes the difference between hitting or not, as the opponents often have invested in a good armor.

In Pathfinder 1.0 enemies almost never invest in armor, whereas the players almost always do.

That leads to enemies hitting only on 18+ and martial players even hitting with a roll of 2.

If PF Second Edition can change that (like Starfinder did), it will be a big step towards me playing it instead.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

While i really love Pathfinder 1.0, the thing that pisses me off the most is the unrealistically low AC of enemies & NPCs.

I have to spend more and more hours to re-design the poorly designed stats of the opponents in the AP volumes.
This isn't the case in low level play, but the higher the level gets, the more apperant it gets.

In Starfinder the math is very tight and a +1 or +2 to hit from the envoy often makes the difference between hitting or not, as the opponents often have invested in a good armor.

In Pathfinder 1.0 enemies almost never invest in armor, whereas the players almost always do.

That leads to enemies hitting only on 18+ and martial players even hitting with a roll of 2.

If PF Second Edition can change that (like Starfinder did), it will be a big step towards me playing it instead.

I like how it takes a game with tight, working math for people to open their eyes to some inherent design flaws of 3.0/3.5/PF1.


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Players invest in armor?

Not the way we do it, the next person to wear armor heavier than a chain shirt in one of our campaigns will be the first.


Marco Massoudi wrote:


In Starfinder the math is very tight and a +1 or +2 to hit from the envoy often makes the difference between hitting or not, as the opponents often have invested in a good armor.

How hard an NPC/monster is to hit in Starfinder has zero to do with what armor they are or are not wearing.

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Xenocrat wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:


In Starfinder the math is very tight and a +1 or +2 to hit from the envoy often makes the difference between hitting or not, as the opponents often have invested in a good armor.
How hard an NPC/monster is to hit in Starfinder has zero to do with what armor they are or are not wearing.

Riiight.

Ever heard of EAC & KAC? ;-)


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Xenocrat wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:


In Starfinder the math is very tight and a +1 or +2 to hit from the envoy often makes the difference between hitting or not, as the opponents often have invested in a good armor.
How hard an NPC/monster is to hit in Starfinder has zero to do with what armor they are or are not wearing.

Riiight.

Ever heard of EAC & KAC? ;-)

Even better, I've heard of the appendices to the Alien Archive. NPC armor has no role in determining EAC/KAC, it's just treasure. Only the assigned CR and combat role determines armor values on NPCs.

This thread will explain it.

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Zaister wrote:

In case you missed it, James also revealed the titles and authors of all six parts of this adventure path:

** spoiler omitted **

Run Lundeen? Is someone threatening me?


Zaister wrote:

In case you missed it, James also revealed the titles and authors of all six parts of this adventure path:

** spoiler omitted **

Can't wait to know more about the content of each of these volumes.

Spoiler:
I'm really hoping for articles about the two dragon deities, as well as maybe an ecology about the other dragon types.


Marco,

I guess I'm different because in Giantslayer I ALWAYS get hit and other than the ranger, no one really connects every time against an enemy. Except the magus but that's because of spells. (Fireball, fireball, fireball.)

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