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This comprehensive 640-page guide to the Pathfinder roleplaying game provides everything you need to set out into a world of limitless fantasy adventure! Choose from ancestries like elf, human, and goblin and classes like alchemist, fighter, and sorcerer to create a hero of your own design, destined to become a legend! The new Pathfinder rules are easier to learn and faster to play, and they offer deeper customization than ever before!

This indispensable volume contains the core rules for players and Game Masters, and is your first step on a heroic new journey!

The Pathfinder Core Rulebook includes:

  • More than 600 pages of game rules, advice, character options, treasure, and more for players and Game Masters!
  • Six heroic player character ancestries, including elf, dwarf, gnome, goblin, halfling, and human, with variant heritages for half-elf and half-orc!
  • More than 30 backgrounds like bartender, soldier, or apprentice to further immerse yourself in your hero's backstory!
  • Twelve character classes, including the alchemist, barbarian, bard, champion, cleric, druid, fighter, monk, ranger, rogue, sorcerer, and wizard!
  • Hundreds and hundreds of spells, class feats, and other exciting abilities to help you customize your character to become the hero YOU envision her to be!
  • Streamlined and revised rules to help ease new players into the game while providing the depth of character options and tactical interest that have defined Pathfinder from the beginning!

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A Fantastic System

5/5

I never played the first edition of Pathfinder, I found it too complex for my liking. But after playing Second Edition with my friends, I refuse to go back to playing D&D 5e. I love the system of the entire system, the action economy makes the game interesting and engaging, and I could not be happier with just how much fun we are having.


Ring Side Report-Pathfinder Rulebook, 2nd ed

5/5

Originally posted at www.throatpunchgames.com, a new idea every day!

Product- Pathfinder Core Rulebook

System-Pathfinder

Producer-Paizo

Price- $60 here https://paizo.com/products/btq01y0k?Pathfinder-Core-Rulebook

TL; DR-A solid mix of new good things, but some issues remain. 92%

Basics-It’s here! Pathfinder 2nd ed is out in the wild! Let’s dig into this thing! The basics from my previous review here: Let’s look at the big changes.

Base Mechanic-The d20 system never really changes. It’s still numbers + d20 vs other numbers. Pathfinder 2nd Ed has the player add their ability modifier, their level, AND a modifier to the roll, depending on their level of proficiency. The biggest change from the previous one is that the proficiency levels are now +2, +4, +6, or +8 instead of adding one to 4. Honestly, this feels like a change coming from 4th Edition DnD. I know the heresy of that statement, but I like that mechanic.

Action Economy- Players still have the three actions per turn of the playtest with some spells or actions requiring additional actions to do.

Skills- If you are not trained it's just a d20 + ability modifier. If you are not trained, after about 4th level, it might not be useful to even roll.

Options- This edition is labeled featfinder by its critics, but the designers use the word feat instead of options. I’m ok with featfinder as I LOVE class options.

ITEM LEVELS!!!-Items HAVE LEVELS! I love this as you know exactly what an item should cost, what kind of character should have this, and it means that some things such as alchemical items are going to be useful later as higher level options are available.

Character Advancement- Characters now level at 1000 exp. Monsters of your level give certain amounts of experience, and there are formulas for changing the experience points if you are fighting a creature of a higher or lower amount.

Those are the basics. Let’s look at my thoughts.

Mechanics or Crunch-I really love this system. Long ago, I toyed with the idea of making a 3.5/4e hybrid, and this is almost what I wanted. I get the clean mechanics of the d20, but I add my level so leveling up made things matter. I get the deep CRUNCH of 3.5/Pathfinder, but the ease of a 5e. I get cantrips that I can use all the time and not have a wizard firing crappy crossbows while still feeling like a wizard. But it’s not perfect. Skills are kind of a big deal for me. I think the system kind of forgets about skills if you are untrained. I think a fighter could pick up some basics of magic from traveling with a wizard and I liked how previously untrained actions still added your level, just with a penalty. Now you don’t add your level to untrained actions and that basically means you have silos where no untrained character can go. It’s a design choice that isn’t bad, but not one I love. Also, I really don’t like the new EXP system. Just keep creatures with different exp instead of having some crazy formula to figure out the exp! It feels like a level of simplification that some players demanded but the rest of us hate. But overall, I really do like the simplicity of the system and the variety of options in this book. 4.75/5

Theme or Fluff-Everyone has their own idea of what “fantasy” should be. Pathfinder has a niche of an almost industrial magic world where some elements of science are beginning to poke their timid heads out of the real magic with semi-magic, semi-chemistry potions and simple guns. This new game nails that vibe. Also, this edition fixes a major problem others had before: alchemy. I love the idea of alchemy, but it's always hard to add to a system Lots of RPGs add this in later due to fan demands. But that system feels bolted on and not a core of the world, with alchemy basically being a new magic caster class but with a reskin. In Pathfinder 2e, with item levels, an alchemist makes alchemy items and the items are NOT spells. They are their own special thing. I LOVE THIS! Pathfinder 2nd ed nails the Pathfinder theme even better than the original! 5/5

Execution- PDF? Check! Hyperlinked? NOPE! Come on Paizo! This book is over 600 Pages! Even random websites trading illegal PDFs have their stuff hyperlinked and for this size of document, it’s a major problem. Also, I think 3.5 has the best layout for d20 systems in regard to class advancement and feats. However, in the new system the classes get a table of advancement for each level, but you have to read deep into each specific advancement to know what is really happening. It's less at a glance and results in slower leveling and progression. I LOVE table with the character level, short descriptions of mandatory class options, and saving throw bonuses, and even spells if needed. Now we get too many words that are not helping, and two tables that are seperate for magic and character options. That is two too many! Nice concise tables would help this feel less wordy and less tiring to read. Next, feats for each class need a feat table with short, one sentence descriptions of each class option. This is going to take up space, but the current layout of listing several options and just making players read the possible rule in its entirety is too long and wordy. Even if you keep the full feat description, adding these tables would make skimming for your next class option a breeze, but instead you end up reading lots of class options you do not care about. Reading about options you don’t care about is tiring! The rest of the book is fine, but those class sections could use some serious changes to make the material easier to read! Pathfinder 2nd ed charts its own territory, but it needs to learn from its roots for its readability. 4/5

Summary-My review of this system is not glowing, but I do love it. The mechanics of 2nd edition Pathfinder are a mix of 3.5, Pathfinder, and 4th edition and 5th edition DnD. Since I love all those games, I had no issues with all the best being blended together to make the best of everything. I didn’t get EVERYTHING I wanted, but I got enough. I love the world, and the new mechanics of the new edition really emphasize the world. The low point was the execution of the book. It feels way too wordy and made reading all the different classes a slog. The book isn’t bad by any stretch, but I feel that taking some clues on how other editions of RPGs work and displayed their information would really help here. Now this might seem negative but overall I love this system. It's easy to play, characters are made quickly, and I feel it's going to be a fun system for a long time. Can’t wait to see what story I can tell with this system! 92%


Incredible work

5/5

I am floored by what Paizo has accomplished here. So much of the old guard DNA has finally been filtered out. The sheets and book have never been cleaner or clearer from a graphic design standpoint. This book is simply a joy to read cover to cover. All 600+ pages of it! I wasn't planning on coming back to PF, my RPG interests drift a little more indie these days. But I saw the copy at a brick and mortar store and gave it a look. I bought it on the spot.
Thank you, Paizo. Just thank you. I will be ordering many more P2 books as I go.

PS. More Iron Gods plz ;p


Pathfinder has never been better before

5/5

Improved in almost every single way I can think of. Bravo!


Simply Amazing

5/5

I love Pathfinder 2E. Great game with tons of improvements. The book is good quality, very nice layout and design. A+ stuff.


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Dark Archive

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I don't like the red dragon design, but the rest looks good.

So paladin is now called "champion"?

I won't pre-order this, because of the Playtest, but i'll be taking a hard look at it day one (and probably buy it to understand the stats).


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Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

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Paladin is the lawful good version of the champion. There are two others (NG, CG) included in the Core Rulebook, and one presumes we might do still others in the future.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Caledonia wrote:
Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.


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Erik Mona wrote:
Caledonia wrote:
Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

Thanks for the quick reply. Now to wait for the Tax Return :)


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Just to make sure. It looks like my current Pathfinder 1E subscription will automatically migrate to 2E and I don't have to separately preorder this or wait until other subscriptions become available?

Edit: Seems this is all answered in the FAQ, and it seems the answer is yes!

Silver Crusade

Quite a number of pages more than the PF1 rulebook, I am very much looking forward to this one ^^


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I'm sorry, I've not preordered anything before on Paizo. Does it mean if you preorder, those orders are shipped out to customers on the 8th? Or is that just when you have inventory? Reason why I ask is the August 1st date.

Grand Lodge

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All aboard the hype train. Even though I wasn't in love with the playtest, I trust Paizo will do a good job with the final version.


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Erik Mona wrote:
Caledonia wrote:
Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

But do you if you subscribe to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscription?

Also, wondering how do I subscribe and get both the Core and the Bestiary... says start with one or the other.


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Yoshua wrote:
Also, wondering how do I subscribe and get both the Core and the Bestiary... says start with one or the other.

The FAQ says if you start with the core rulebook you'll get both.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Erik Mona wrote:

Paladin is the lawful good version of the champion. There are two others (NG, CG) included in the Core Rulebook, and one presumes we might do still others in the future.

Was hoping to try the LE version of the Champion on launch but I guess I'll go Ranger then.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

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You can play a LE ranger easily! :)

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4

Any chance of a pocket edition in the not too distant future? The quality of life improvement was amazing for carrying around conventions. Thank you!

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

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It'll happen eventually, but probably not for the first year at least.


Just to clarify, will this be a hardcover? I'd assume so, since that seems to be standard operating procedure for flagship books, but the Deluxe Edition explicitly says hardcover and this one does not.

Grand Lodge

Both are hardcovers.

The Concordance

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So for people planning on being at GenCon, will we be able to pre-order and pick up our books at the convention?

Silver Crusade

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Caledonia wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
Caledonia wrote:
Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

Thanks for the quick reply. Now to wait for the Tax Return :)

Side note, if we have the subscription, will we get the pdf with the book through that? (and I'm sorry if someone's already asked this and it's been answered.)


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Seoni and Valeros were kicked off the cover? I think they need to speak to their agents to get better billing. A bit surprised Fumbus isn't there to show off the new kid. But Merisiel sneaking in is expected. I do like the art, but I expected to. It's a Wayne Reynolds piece after all. Has definite callbacks to the PF1 cover, but also shows that it's new.

640 pages. That's a beefy book. 65 more than PF1 and 206 more than the playtest. So clearly there will be more options than the playtest had.

I'm not the biggest fan of the playtest, but I've got my fingers crossed for this. Eagerly waiting for details.


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robert Goode wrote:
So for people planning on being at GenCon, will we be able to pre-order and pick up our books at the convention?
Sara Marie wrote:
NielsenE wrote:
If I have subscriptions to basically everything, and am buying a copy of the deluxe version outside the subscription, are any of these slated for GenCon pickup?
Very likely yes, but we haven't made any announcements about Gen Con pick up yet.
Joseph Davis wrote:
Side note, if we have the subscription, will we get the pdf with the book through that? (and I'm sorry if someone's already asked this and it's been answered.)
Erik Mona wrote:
Rycaut wrote:

So what is the answer re PDFs (I assume the remain a part of subscriptions?)

also if you are a subscriber currently (and plan to rollover) will there be an option to get the limited edition versions?

We are still finalizing details on subscription benefits for all these lines, so for the time being we don't have an answer to this questions. Please stay tuned. We'll definitely make sure the benefits are clear well before August.

There is a thread just for subscription questions, though so far the only answers for those particular questions is Reply Hazy Try Again Later.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Erik Mona wrote:

You can play a LE ranger easily! :)

Thats the plan now

Grand Lodge

When pdf's will become available ? and what will be the prices ? asking for the folk who genarly uses digital content and not have money to buy everything in hard cover ^^'

Dark Archive

Erik Mona wrote:
It'll happen eventually, but probably not for the first year at least.

That's great to hear, Erik!

I got all pocket editions, some in multiple numbers, as they greatly reduce weight & space at the tables.
-Will the Pocket Editions line of PF 1 continue after may 2019?
-Will there be a Starfinder CRB pocket edition eventually?

Sorry for being off topic, i don't know where else to ask.


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Doktor Weasel wrote:

Seoni and Valeros were kicked off the cover? I think they need to speak to their agents to get better billing. A bit surprised Fumbus isn't there to show off the new kid. But Merisiel sneaking in is expected. I do like the art, but I expected to. It's a Wayne Reynolds piece after all. Has definite callbacks to the PF1 cover, but also shows that it's new.

640 pages. That's a beefy book. 65 more than PF1 and 206 more than the playtest. So clearly there will be more options than the playtest had.

I'm not the biggest fan of the playtest, but I've got my fingers crossed for this. Eagerly waiting for details.

Kyra, Merisiel, and Harsk? That combo makes sense; NG, CN, and LN. They could perhaps have subbed Sajan for Harsk, but using a dwarf makes more sense than another human.

I like the expanded book length. Every bit of playtest errata was an improvement, and I am very curious to see the final product.

Dark Archive

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I think of the cover as the continuation of the combat encounter of the cover of Pathfinder 1. Same dragon, same ruins, different characters, as if they were in another part of the encounter


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Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. Im curious why they would change that. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. Lets hope they keep it the way it is.


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I do like the cover.


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Vexies wrote:
Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. Im curious why they would change that. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. Lets hope they keep it the way it is.

Are you referring to not getting a pdf with the pre-order? I think that has always been the case. Getting this via a pre-order vs getting this via the pathfinder subscription are not the same thing.

Presumably the appropriate subscriptions will still include the free pdf

Paizo folks, correct me if I am wrong.


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MMCJawa wrote:
Vexies wrote:
Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. Im curious why they would change that. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. Lets hope they keep it the way it is.

Are you referring to not getting a pdf with the pre-order? I think that has always been the case. Getting this via a pre-order vs getting this via the pathfinder subscription are not the same thing.

Presumably the appropriate subscriptions will still include the free pdf

Paizo folks, correct me if I am wrong.

Yeah Im aware for pre-orders and thats completely understood. I was speaking to the Subscriber benefits themselves. They are apparently still being hammered out so I was simply voicing my concern and support for the free pdf remaining as a benefit to subscribing. I will probably order a few separate copies and was planing on subbing as well will wait to see what the benefits end up being.

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Question, it says pre-order expected July so is that when the pre-order ends or is that when we can expect delivery?


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Will the price tag for the PDF of the rulebook line stay at $9.99?


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

It also says

Quote:
*** Please disregard the availability information below. This item will be available August 1, 2019.***


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
MMCJawa wrote:

Presumably the appropriate subscriptions will still include the free pdf

Paizo folks, correct me if I am wrong.

It looks like no change there.

The RPG Rulebook Subscription page states that a free PDF is included, AND it also says that both the PF2e Core Rulebook and Bestiary will be part of the subscription.

Consequently: The PDF will be included with a subscription to the rulebook line.


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I'm curious if the font size for the new CRB is the same as the 1st edition? In other words, what's the total word count?

I'm trying to compare the amount of content between the two books. More so out of curiosity than anything...


Strachan Fireblade wrote:
I'm curious if the font size for the new CRB is the same as the 1st edition?

Oh please god no. I need reading glasses for normal size print... :)


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In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

... also I think all of the characters are facing away from the dragon attacking them? (I noticed this because I'm hoping Merisiel's right leg is in front, rather than her left leg, as otherwise her waist is rather unpleasantly contorted — hard to tell with the position of the book title.)

I guess that kind of makes sense in terms of sheltering from dragon breath, though perhaps not the most heroic pose.

My negative last comment is that the pile of treasure is rather tiny.

Other than this, I do like the art a lot — the dragon pulling its way through the arch in order to claw them, while breathing fire down on them is very dynamic. Kyra looks good, and Harsk suddenly has bright red hair, but otherwise looks good.

I really didn't mean this post to be negative — I'm really looking forward to 2nd Ed coming out. My eyes just aren't understanding Merisiel's pose/extra arm.

Silver Crusade

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Ramanujan wrote:

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

It's Kyra's leg/foot.


Rysky wrote:
Ramanujan wrote:

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

It's Kyra's leg/foot.

I hope not. She’s standing behind that block with her other leg, if the mystery shape is a leg it’s bizarrely long and she’s about to fall backwards.

It might be a quiver on Merisiel’ back that is hanging towards the ground while the rest of her body twists.

Silver Crusade

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Xenocrat wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Ramanujan wrote:

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

It's Kyra's leg/foot.
I hope not. She’s standing behind that block with her other leg,

She's bracing with her left leg, you can see all the weight on it.

Dark Archive

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Ramanujan wrote:

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

... also I think all of the characters are facing away from the dragon attacking them? (I noticed this because I'm hoping Merisiel's right leg is in front, rather than her left leg, as otherwise her waist is rather unpleasantly contorted — hard to tell with the position of the book title.)

I guess that kind of makes sense in terms of sheltering from dragon breath, though perhaps not the most heroic pose.

I think that they've been ambushed by the dragon, and are just turning to face it.


I hope that they have the shipping thing fixed from the Playtest fiasco.

Silver Crusade

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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
I hope that they have the shipping thing fixed from the Playtest fiasco.

They'll most likely be shipping inhouse this time, so yes.


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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
I hope that they have the shipping thing fixed from the Playtest fiasco.

Looks like this will be shipped like all their other products. The Playtest was an attempt to make sure everyone got their playtest materials on the same date; it backfired.


I'll likely be getting one of these for review on my YouTube channel. It is frustrating that they aren't including the pdf with physical purchases though.


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The IoPC wrote:
I'll likely be getting one of these for review on my YouTube channel. It is frustrating that they aren't including the pdf with physical purchases though.

I don't think they EVER have, unless you're a subscriber. If it's that big of a deal, subscribe.


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The IoPC wrote:
I'll likely be getting one of these for review on my YouTube channel. It is frustrating that they aren't including the pdf with physical purchases though.

You can subscribe. If you’re going to get it from them anyway there’s really no reason not to. You can cancel after it’s shipped if you don’t want anything else.

Note that they haven’t actually confirmed free PDFs as a continued perk for subscribing, but I think it’s highly likely.


I like the new Pathfinder logo!
It's less elaborate, but clearer, more legible. I like the sandy texture, the colour combination better and I like the subtle shine towards the middle, I think it conveys the idea of being a guiding light ("path finder").
Well done!


My only problem with the cover is the red dragon's appearance. This is not how they are supposed to look in Pathfinder. I miss the spikes that makes their wings do piercing damage, and they have no horn melee attacks, as they have no horns (playtest).


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:
My only problem with the cover is the red dragon's appearance. This is not how they are supposed to look in Pathfinder. I miss the spikes that makes their wings do piercing damage, and they have no horn melee attacks, as they have no horns (playtest).

My only problem is that is all wrong. All wing attacks do bludgeoning damage and always have, per the natural attacks universal monster rule (I can't find any dragon specific rule granting piercing on their wings), and the presence or absence of physical body parts is not perfectly correlated with usable natural attacks.

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