Tectorman |
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So you're telling me that an axiomatic one of these would technically be a "monitor monitor lizard"?
More importantly, if such a creature and I are watching each other through desktop cameras at our home PCs, does that make it a "monitored monitoring monitor monitor lizard on a monitor"?
Kvantum |
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Considering we still haven't gotten 1e campaign setting books for Kyonin, The Five Kings mountains, Arcadia, azlant, casmaron, garund, sarusan, various planets, etc. Druma would hardly be my next choice.
Galt, as well as Geb, Nex, Thuvia, and well, any part of Garund not named Osirion.
CorvusMask |
Considering we still haven't gotten 1e campaign setting books for Kyonin, The Five Kings mountains, Arcadia, azlant, casmaron, garund, sarusan, various planets, etc. Druma would hardly be my next choice.
Why would we get books for various planets in Pathfinder? <_< Golarion is main setting of Pathfinder, having multiple planets having their own book sounds more like Starfinder deal.
Sarusan also sounds like place we will never get book for considering whole point of continent seems to be "Oooh mysterious thing for gm to do whatever they want" just like Aroden.
I do give you cookie for Janderhoff(even though you said Five Kings Mountain) since I think all Varisian city states should have their own campaign setting book :p
But yeah, in my point of view, it would make perfect sense to have book for all currently released countries in Inner sea and then move onto other continents
Either way, since it IS impossible for every area having book for before 1e is over, I don't really mind the "important"(very much in quotations because I don't think Kyonin or Five Kings Mountain count important by paizo since they seem to focus on humans and not really ever on elves and dwarves) getting their campaign setting book in 2e, means they can take APs in account when they write those two
CorvusMask |
I don't believe Paizo will re-set the Campaign Setting line come PF2, so there are chances for PF2 books describing Arcadia, Casmaron or Azlant would come sooner than later, since there wouldn't be a need to start over with Cheliax/Andoran/Varisia.
Ye, they stated they don't plan on releasing new version of old books, and it is true they never released second Korvosa or Absalom book.
Which is why I don't mind it if they release "important" books in 2e because 1e books still follow 1e format of ignoring adventures for most part so not to spoil them <_<
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Dragon78 wrote:Well that is a depressing thought:(It is.
Supposedly june's campaign setting book will be about "Druma"...
Oh man, that's great! I've found the Kalistrocracy really handy for character backstories.
Concordance of Rivals will also be really nice to give the neutral outsiders some more attention. Having some content for folks with connections to Proteans will be interesting.
CorvusMask |
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Yeah, but I am not buying any 2 ed books unless they have some that are completely rules neutral(no game rules at all) but that isn't going to happen. So as far as I am concerned Pathfinder is ending with 1e.
Umm, but majority of campaign setting books ARE flavor only. Heck 3.5 campaign setting books are like 90% flavor
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I would assume that they can cover a lot of the older material with quick summaries of how the regions changed as a result of successful adventures set in various places and the general passage of time. They would not need a lot of detail unless somebody built a completely new city or did something else on an equally massive scale.
Marco Massoudi |
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Nations from the Inner Sea World Guide which havn't had a Campaign Setting book or Players Guide dedicated to them:
AVISTAN: (10)
-Brevoy
-Five Kings Mountains
-Galt
-Isger
-Kyonin
-Lastwall
-Mammoth Lords Realm
-Mendev
-Razmiran
-Steaming Sea
GARUND: (8)
-Geb
-Jalmeray
-Mana Wastes
-Mediogalti Island
-Nex
-Rahadoum
-Sodden Lands
-Thuvia
The Gold Sovereign |
I just hope this book will be larger than usual. It's the last PF1E campaign setting book after all... Isn't it?
It would be cool if we could get at least an illustration for every deity, if not two pages for each of them. I would even favor this over a bestiary section. =O
I'm really curious to see the primal inevitables, as well as the protean lords. I have always been trying to imagine how these ones would look. Is there a protean lord that looks like an human(oid)? Are the primal inevitables more akin to clockworks or to statutes? Things like that, and now I'm finally getting my answers.
Wannabe Demon Lord |
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This is awesome. I'd given up hoping a while back that the neutral Outsiders would get the same treatment as the fiends and celestials, so I'm very pleasantly surprised to see this, filling what I'd viewed as a major gap in the cosmological lore. I can't wait to read about all the demigods and quasi-deities!
The Gold Sovereign |
I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.
That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
CorvusMask |
Patrick C. wrote:I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.
Patrick C. |
The Gold Sovereign wrote:Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.Patrick C. wrote:I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
I don't really expect a "Supreme Being", given that we've already been told by the Creative Director that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting shouldn't have an "overgod" or similar figure. But yet another demigod wouldn't do it justice, IMHO. The Monad should be something more of a cosmic force, or at least a full, if minor, deity.
Todd Stewart Contributor |
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CorvusMask wrote:I don't really expect a "Supreme Being", given that we've already been told by the Creative Director that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting shouldn't have an "overgod" or similar figure. But yet another demigod wouldn't do it justice, IMHO. The Monad should be something more of a cosmic force, or at least a full, if minor, deity.The Gold Sovereign wrote:Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.Patrick C. wrote:I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
I have no insight onto how the Monad will or will not be handled in this particular book, but I think a reasonable comparison could be made to how Planar Adventures finally handled the proteans' Speakers of the Depths as a full deity, but with the flavor text giving a solid amount of ambiguity to their actual nature.
Functionally they can be used as a deity with the domains provided in Planar Adventures, but it's up for debate if they as a dualistic godhead are simply a manifestation of the Maelstrom as an intelligence unto itself. The ambiguity and flexibility of the flavor text there allows GMs to run with their own answers there without even having to deviate any from the published content. :D
Patrick C. |
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Patrick C. wrote:CorvusMask wrote:I don't really expect a "Supreme Being", given that we've already been told by the Creative Director that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting shouldn't have an "overgod" or similar figure. But yet another demigod wouldn't do it justice, IMHO. The Monad should be something more of a cosmic force, or at least a full, if minor, deity.The Gold Sovereign wrote:Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.Patrick C. wrote:I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.I have no insight onto how the Monad will or will not be handled in this particular book, but I think a reasonable comparison could be made to how Planar Adventures finally handled the proteans' Speakers of the Depths as a full deity, but with the flavor text giving a solid amount of ambiguity to their actual nature.
Functionally they can be used as a deity with the domains provided in Planar Adventures, but it's up for debate if they as a dualistic godhead are simply a manifestation of the Maelstrom as an intelligence unto itself. The ambiguity and flexibility of the flavor text there allows GMs to run with their own answers there without even having to deviate any from the published content. :D
I'm yet to read how Planar Adventures handled the Speakers (got the PDF only this morning!), but some ambuiguity and wiggle room for the GM is always welcomed! Not full vagueness (That we already have), not minucious detail either.
But, if we are to have a "settled" answer, may that answer be, at the very least, something more unique than another demigod. The Aeons deserve that. There have been lots of tantalizing hints about the Monad in various Bestiaries and in the Occul Adventures, IIRC. It will be quite underwhelming if it turns out to be just a slightly-more-powerful Aeon.
CorvusMask |
Do notice that both summary and image are still placeholders, there is probably gonna be bestiary in final book though no clue if it will contain any of the demigods unfortunately :( I mean chronicle of righteous didn't and neither did any of the books of the damned
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Barachiel Shina |
Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.
But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.
New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.
Gorbacz |
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The Gold Sovereign wrote:New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.
But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.
You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.
Rysky |
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Barachiel Shina wrote:You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.The Gold Sovereign wrote:New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.
But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.
I hope not, I like psychopomps.
Todd Stewart Contributor |
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My bad! Aeons will be replacing Inevitables, but fear not, Psychopomps are here to stay. This message was brought to you by the "Paizo is moving away from WotC OGL property" movement.
Aeons are TN though, they couldn't replace an LN race. Though giving axiomites more play would certainly move away from WotC IP. I have no insight into any such hypotheticals however.
CorvusMask |
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So if Inevitables get phased out in 2e, ironically that might mean Primals have higher chance of being more important there since 1) They aren't D&D IP directly 2) they have been super obscure and never detailed in 1e before ._.
Either way, weird if this is last time Inevitable are in major role in a product. Whatever is the case, nice we get to learn about their demigods if this is their finale
Though IF Aeons become LN in 2e, that is just weird to me because while Neutral isn't the "balance" alignment, in my view Aeons can't be Chaotic or Lawful because they are obsessed with things like "If there is too much order, create chaos, if there is too much chaos, create order, if there is too much evil, create good, etc". so in other words they can't fit to any of other alignments making them neutral by default.
(also yeah it is weird if inevitables introduced in War for the Crown bestiaries never show up again)
The Gold Sovereign |
Barachiel Shina wrote:You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.The Gold Sovereign wrote:New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.
But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.
I'm not sure if Inevitables have ever been the main TN outsiders, as they are obviously LN. I suppose we should read it as Aeons getting more attention than the construct outsiders.