Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Taldor, the First Empire (PFRPG)

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Taldor Endures!

The first—and at one point, largest—empire in Avistan after devastation of Earthfall, Taldor has stood for millennia, and though its neighboring nations snicker at its lavish parties and out-of-touch nobility, none dare challenge the mother empire's might! With 6 millennia of history spanning the breadth of a continent, Taldor is a land of long-buried secrets and ruins, partnered with modern cutthroat dramas and political action. Secrets and treasure abound across Taldor—many forgotten, but far more deliberately buried. Will you fight to preserve the glorious traditions of the past, or will you pave the way for a reformed Taldor to attain new heights?

Taldor is the dynamic setting for the War for the Crown Adventure Path, making this comprehensive guide to the nation's geography, politics, and history a perfect resource for that campaign, as well as for many Pathfinder Module adventures! Inside this book you'll find:

  • A thorough gazetteer of Taldor's major prefectures and provinces, including details on the reigning nobles of each and over 70 points of interest across the nation, from Antios's Crown and its endless royal necropolis to the militarized city of Zimar.
  • An overview of Taldor's government, foreign relationships, and society.
  • Nearly a dozen adventure sites tied to Taldor's past glories and modern decay, from ruined cities to lost valleys of the dead.
  • Nine new monsters perfectly adapted to life in Taldor, including the corrupting giniver, perfectly suited to hiding in plain sight, and testaments to noble excess such as the titanboar and the blood-bathing baetriov.

Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Taldor, The First Empire is intended for use with the Pathfinder campaign setting, but it can be easily adapted to any fantasy world.

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Taldar Land of Intrigue

4/5

Not one of my first choices(or second, third, etc.) but still a good read none the less.


Gives Taldor enough Detail to be Playable

4/5

I wrote a lengthy review that the website ate and I don't have the energy to redo it.

The short version is that previously published Taldor material was thin to the point that to set a game in Taldor you would have to basically create the nation from scratch. This book fixes that problem. If you want to run a game in Taldor it is essential, if you want to run a game in the Inner Sea where the PCs can go to Taldor it is very useful.


Glorious!

5/5

This book is rich with culture, history and geography! this reads like a novel, and I find every page containing interesting trivia and long awaited answers to my most Taldane of questions!

The Golden Age of Taldor map is brilliant, and we also get a full timeline for Taldor. Interactions with other cultures is discussed, and a section on religion give us hints on who is considered to be the true 'Taldan Pantheon' (with a satisfying nod to Aroden and its 'arcane' clerics... must... build... one... :) )

The map of Taldor and its prefectures will also become an invaluable tool to any GM running a game set there, which only further aggrandizes its sister achievement and masterpiece: a full geographical section on each prefecture of Taldor, as well as supplementaty information on the provinces (apparently in Taldor, both Bill and Hillary bow to the elephant cavalry!). This section is, for the lack of a better word, a veritable tour-de-force!

Then we have a section on various sites within the Empire, and the coolest harpy cleric of Groetus I've ever seen (when she told you she'd give you the moon she wasn't kidding gents!) This section is a great idea generator for GMs wishing to run their own campaigns or supplement published Taldor-based adventures with a spiffy sidequest or two...

At the end we have a small bestiary which will allow druids and rangers to proudly call their next pet 'titanboar' or 'fading fox' or 'emperor stag'. Selective breeding is a thing in Taldor, and not only for their horses, but for their game too! but for the rest of the bestiary I'll stay silent so as not to spoil that most excellent new bathrobe wearing undead. 'New bathrobe'-wearing undead; or new 'bathrobe-wearing undead', as in new undead? hmmm... hmmm.... who can tell? [/goldblum mode]

Taldor deserved a lore-only book like this. Your mechanical queries can be addressed by the dozens of books preceding this one, but the knowledge gained within these pages will turn the most bland barbarian into a hardcore or unchained Ulfen devotee of the Lion Throne!

Taldor is Avistan.


Mixed bag.

3/5

Lots of flavor. Lots of geography. Not much substance. If you are running a game in Taldor, it's probably a good idea to get this book.

The bestiary in the back feels out of place. IMO use that space to talk about the specifics of Taldor nobility.

There are no mechanics in this book (save the bestiary), which makes it feel out of place IMO. A lot of Campaign Setting books have mechanics in them these days.

Bit of an odd duck. 3 out of 5 stars.


Disappointed

1/5

I was really hyped to hear one of my favorite locales on Golarion was getting revisited. After all it had been more than 8 years since Taldor was explored and given the new 68 page format of the country sourcebooks I assumed many details could be explored.

Unfortunately this book did not impress me at all. It was lackluster and pretty bland, no wow, no pizzazz. It did not inspire any additional interest in Taldor.

The book is divided into four parts so Ill briefly talk about each of them without giving too much away.

Life in Taldor – The first section details a history of the people of Taldor and lightly touches on the nobility and titles of Taldor. I was especially disappointed in this. Nobility and titles in Taldor are a cornerstone of this nation, something that make it distinctive in character from other nations, a highlight of that nation and yet the titles section was given a half-page description of generic noble titles, many titles previously describe we not even written about or mentioned.

The history of its Imperial house was non-existent, there was no list of Grand Princes, nothing descriptive of noble houses. I mean at this point I don’t know the name of the imperial house of Taldor because it remained as skeletal in description as what is found in the Inner Sea Guide. There was just nothing.

Gone was any mention of The Bearded as the ruling social class as it was ret-conned and minimized like the banning of Sarenrae. It fails to detail any of the more than 50 Grand Duchies and their locations other than 12 that correspond with the primary prefectures that it states are in the Empire.

The history section is mainly a descriptive rehash of events that have been already covered in other books, there were very few new events detailed within. More could have been included for an empire that is six thousand years old. The description of the Taldan people was literally two paragraphs long and the other two pages spent on the topic were on Chelaxans, Andorans and other surrounding nations and races.

Gazetteer – The Gazetteer generally does a good job at describing the twelve main prefectures of Taldor and it adds some details, new cities and locales and personalities. One of my favorite parts was some details on the ruling nobles of the prefectures. The cities described were mainly just that descriptions – there were no details on population, racial make-up, no flavoring whatsoever.

Adventures in Taldor - This part is a good but brief description of some key locales within Taldor. Each locale is given a one page description, with details and major NPC descriptions which is probably enough to get a GM to build his own adventures around.

Bestiary – This part is really unnecessary and should have been relegated to the upcoming AP. The monsters are lackluster. Taldor is supposed to be an Empire that tamed its heartland so the real monsters should be the humans within. But the book doesn’t do much in that aspect.

There is no mention of the lands directly to the east of the empire. How they may have affected the empire or anything. The updated map was pretty good I did like that they included some locals from the novels and pathfinder scenarios, except that Yanmass still has two locations in previous maps - one next to the river and another away from it. Even the novel Shy Knives have it located near the river. So I am not sure if Yanmass is a port city or a city in the center of the plains.

Overall this book is a huge disappointment for a nation whose ruling class is supposed to be a distinctive feature that is supposed to add to the character of Taldor. Yet it does very little to fill that gap, it leaves Taldor feeling generic and boring.


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Chris Lambertz wrote:
Updated with final cover image and description!

Yay! Thank you Chris! :D


"The blood-bathing baetriov"; it feels darkly appropriate to read this right after finishing Ray Russell's Sanguinarius.


Titanboar?!


Watch out, Alain!

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Calling it now. The Prince is going to die in a titanboar hunting accident.

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KingOfAnything wrote:
Calling it now. The Prince is going to die in a titanboar hunting accident.

[conspiracy theory] Nah, he's going to be murdered by his Ulfen bodyguard, and quietly replaced. It's just going to be *called* 'an accident.'

Same as it was for the last Taldan ruler that they decided was only going to be 'king for life.' [/conspiracy theory]


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Set wrote:
KingOfAnything wrote:
Calling it now. The Prince is going to die in a titanboar hunting accident.

[conspiracy theory] Nah, he's going to be murdered by his Ulfen bodyguard, and quietly replaced. It's just going to be *called* 'an accident.'

Same as it was for the last Taldan ruler that they decided was only going to be 'king for life.' [/conspiracy theory]

Part of me likes the idea of there being an organization inside the Taldan government that includes some of the Ulfen guard that quietly removes unfit or unsuitable members of the royal family to make sure it's the sane and level-headed royals who make it as far as the throne.

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Eric Hinkle wrote:
"The blood-bathing baetriov"; it feels darkly appropriate to read this right after finishing Ray Russell's Sanguinarius.

Blood Countess! Sweet!


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Eric Hinkle wrote:
Set wrote:
KingOfAnything wrote:
Calling it now. The Prince is going to die in a titanboar hunting accident.

[conspiracy theory] Nah, he's going to be murdered by his Ulfen bodyguard, and quietly replaced. It's just going to be *called* 'an accident.'

Same as it was for the last Taldan ruler that they decided was only going to be 'king for life.' [/conspiracy theory]

Part of me likes the idea of there being an organization inside the Taldan government that includes some of the Ulfen guard that quietly removes unfit or unsuitable members of the royal family to make sure it's the sane and level-headed royals who make it as far as the throne.

Pretty sure that would be the Lion Blades job.

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This is one amazing cover! wow! I love it!


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Poor Alain, even the beauties are out to get him! It ain't enough that all the beasties are after him...see Horror Adventures cover....


Honestly I think the Grand Prince will die thanks to some machination of Norgorber's cult. Whether it will involve titanboars is another story...

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We should all go in and rent a place on the Carolina shore in the off-season, borrow some earthmoving equipment, pit roast a titanboar. Good times.


Chris,

I only do pig roasts if I know my brother is doing them...Unless you have a master's degree in culinary arts I don't know about... ;)


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Great, now I am hungry again.


Fourshadow wrote:
Poor Alain, even the beauties are out to get him! It ain't enough that all the beasties are after him...see Horror Adventures cover....

Maybe the women and the Horror Adventures cover monsters are one and the same? There's more than a few spells that can make it possible.


Anyone know whether this is going to have archetypes like the new Qadira book did?


I have one thing to say, and one thing only.

*coughs, clearing throat.*

*sips water, hydrating vocal cord tissue.*

*leans close to microphone, remaining silent until feedback subsides.*

TALDOR WILL RISE AGAIN!!!11!


Well I don't see anything in the description about there being archetypes in the book, but you never know;)

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There are no archetypes in this book.


Well that is good to know, thanks for the info Mark.


Anyone have the book yet?

If so, would somebody please give an overview on the 9 monsters within (i.e. Name, Creature Type, CR, and brief explanation of the monsters schtick)?

Thanks in advance.

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Shipping starts tomorrow :3


Rysky wrote:
Shipping starts tomorrow :3

Eh, I saw the store blog had already said something about it, and assumed it had already started shipping. Serves me right for not checking, I guess.


I wish it wasn't shipping until at least next week:(


Dragon78 wrote:
I wish it wasn't shipping until at least next week:(

Never thought I would see this posted by you....; p

I will have to take a look at this one when it reaches my FLGS.


Well earlier this week I realized that I haven't added this one to my subscription. So I went and tried to add it, but it wasn't an option for this product line's subscription. Then I learned that they already started the "will be shipping soon emails". So I am not happy about that.

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If your subscription for this month hasn't shipped yet, you may be able to get them to add this to your order. I recommend creating a thread in the Customer Service subforum. ^_^

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Speaking of subscription anyone got there copy of this yet? (Start shipping today if I recall)


Kevin Mack wrote:
Speaking of subscription anyone got there copy of this yet? (Start shipping today if I recall)

As Rysky posted above, shipping starts tomorrow.


Fourshadow wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
Speaking of subscription anyone got there copy of this yet? (Start shipping today if I recall)
As Rysky posted above, shipping starts tomorrow.

LOL....she posted it yesterday however ;)

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nighttree wrote:
Fourshadow wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
Speaking of subscription anyone got there copy of this yet? (Start shipping today if I recall)
As Rysky posted above, shipping starts tomorrow.
LOL.... she posted it yesterday however ;)

"But when will it be NOW!?"

"Soon!"


Sooner is always later to someone.


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Based on the scathing review, someone must've gotten a copy.

Unless they're full of s+#$ and making stuff up to be a jerk (and on the Internets of all places!).


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According to customer services all shipping was delayed until monday so none of the PDF's should have gone out yet

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!!!


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captain yesterday wrote:

Based on the scathing review, someone must've gotten a copy.

Unless they're full of s#@* and making stuff up to be a jerk (and on the Internets of all places!).

Interestingly, it isn't that scathing. The reviewer says there are some good parts...and still gave it one star.

??????

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Feros wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Based on the scathing review, someone must've gotten a copy.

Unless they're full of s#@* and making stuff up to be a jerk (and on the Internets of all places!).

Interestingly, it isn't that scathing. The reviewer says there are some good parts...and still gave it one star.

??????

It was the loss of beards.


The loss of beards?

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Man, I knew there's going to be that "this book should spend 64 pages on heraldry and genealogy" person ;-)


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From the one review: "So I am not sure if Yanmass is a port city or a city in the center of the plains."

It's a port city in the center of the plains. :-)

In a feudal society, both genealogy (of the ruling class, at least) and heraldry are important. I have a sense that most folks at Paizo, and probably most PF players, don't care about either, though. <shrug>

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Dragon78 wrote:
The loss of beards?

There was a Bearded class of people in Taldor long long ago, basically you could only have a beard if you were a certain rank in society, and if you could'n't grow a beard then you couldn't advance at all. Or something.


That actually sounds interesting...I say beards (and mustaches) need to make a come back;)

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Dragon78 wrote:
That actually sounds interesting...I say beards (and mustaches) need to make a come back;)

Well now that everyone and not just a narrow subset of nobles can legally grow them they shall :3


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Taldor and Cheliax were my first two player companions.

Mayhaps I know what to ask for Christmas.

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Rysky wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
That actually sounds interesting...I say beards (and mustaches) need to make a come back;)
Well now that everyone and not just a narrow subset of nobles can legally grow them they shall :3

Staches are accessories, and Taldans love accessories!


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Dragon78 wrote:
That actually sounds interesting...I say beards (and mustaches) need to make a come back;)

If I recall from an AMA, the whole "only nobles can have beards" thing was deemed unrealistic, even though in context it makes perfect sense and doesn't go particularly off the deep end. Plus it gives the nation a sense of identity: the dirty unwashed masses with their scraggly beards stand under the shadow of the leaders who have impeccably groomed facial hair. As opposed to just "these are the dirty unwashed masses and these are the nobles who rule over them" with no other distinctive features.


Rysky wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
That actually sounds interesting...I say beards (and mustaches) need to make a come back;)
Well now that everyone and not just a narrow subset of nobles can legally grow them they shall :3

so... they slipped through by a whisker?

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Speaking of subscription anyone got there copy of this yet? (Start shipping today if I recall)

How about now?


I just received my shipping email.

-Skeld

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