Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness

Gorbacz wrote:

Brew Bird wrote:

Azten wrote:

Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that.

Because it's awful that they can't shapeshift as a combat option for five whole levels? Woohoo, claw attacks you'd be better off not using and getting a two handed weapon. It sounds like a "here, be a shapeshifter eventually but until you can actually shapeshift use a weapon like everyone else."

At early levels, natural attacks are an incredibly solid option. Why do you think Feral Mutagen is so good? Not to mention it sounds like the Shifter has more than just claws and wild shape in their "shapeshifting" repertoire. We only know 2 of their class features, and only the bare minimum of each. It's a little early to be so pessimistic, don't you think?

Ah, you're new to Azten, aren't you?

Uh oh, is he one of those guys?

Now now, let's not assume the gender.

I stopped being excited about the design choices Paizo makes because it is extremely likely anything cool/used by a lot of people will get errata into a waste of page space.

Nice cover art.

Why would the Gathlain need an "update"?

I wonder if the shifter(or any archetype in the book) will grant immunity to lycanthropy.

I like the new cover art. Very "Wild" :) Plus new rituals will be cool.

At early levels, natural attacks are an incredibly solid option. Why do you think Feral Mutagen is so good?

I for one intend to make a toothy half-orc shifter to have some feral fun from the get go.

While I'm absolutely hoping that phytokineticist will get reprinted in its entirety (AKA, with all of the new options of Psychic Anthology that actually give them their second blast), I do hope that at some point chaokineticist gets a reprint with all of its goodies as well.

While I'm absolutely hoping that phytokineticist will get reprinted in its entirety (AKA, with all of the new options of Psychic Anthology that actually give them their second blast), I do hope that at some point chaokineticist gets a reprint with all of its goodies as well.

You'll probably have to wait for Ultimate Dark Void of Space for that one.

Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that.

Because it's awful that they can't shapeshift as a combat option for five whole levels? Woohoo, claw attacks you'd be better off not using and getting a two handed weapon. It sounds like a "here, be a shapeshifter eventually but until you can actually shapeshift use a weapon like everyone else."

Compared to Druid getting it at Level 4, especially since the class is based on shapeshifting

Dark Midian wrote:

While I'm absolutely hoping that phytokineticist will get reprinted in its entirety (AKA, with all of the new options of Psychic Anthology that actually give them their second blast), I do hope that at some point chaokineticist gets a reprint with all of its goodies as well.

You'll probably have to wait for Ultimate Dark Void of Space for that one.

But I thought space was one big wilderness? The final frontier? ;)

Oh look. The book art changed. Now its looking a bit more snazzy.

also 3 girls, their animal pets, and a pack of what looks to be were-wolves(or at least some form of lupine beasts).

and its the druid, witch, and shifter...

yeah this will get messy.

EDIT:Oh my. it looks like our shifter has left some talon prints in the snow. Why her. well lets just say i don't believe our other iconics are capable of leaving those kinds of tracks.

They look like werewolves to me, but you never know, could be something else.

I am surprised that the iconic hunter didn't make the cover.

They look like werewolves to me, but you never know, could be something else.

I am surprised that the iconic hunter didn't make the cover.

Too much wolf.

Dragon78 wrote:

They look like werewolves to me, but you never know, could be something else.

I am surprised that the iconic hunter didn't make the cover.

Too much wolf.

Now if they were for some reason in London then maybe it would be OK.

Funny enough, I was wondering last year how I would be able to afford both pathfinder and starfinder. But with everything from pathfinder being reprints with a little extra, suddenly it's not an issue.

Starfinder it is.

If the shifter is getting a dragon themed archetype, I hope it will also get the form of the exotic dragon and form of the alien dragon spells as well as the standard form of the dragon spells.

Other archetype themes I would like to see for the shifter would be fey, plant, elemental, humanoid(including giant), monstrous humanoid, and aberration. Also if the base version doesn't get magical beast, I would like to see an archetype for that as well.

I am glad that the wood element is getting a reprint/fix, I hope there will be a hardcover book that will get the void element one day...soon.

So exactly how many books are we getting reprints from?

Yeah I am not seeing anything that would suggest this will be very reprint heavy...

I'm pretty excited for the Shifter. Full BAB and always on claws means you can build for natural attacks from level 1. I really like the chimera ability to mix and match the special qualities of your different forms. I don't mind having focused forms rather than unlimited wild shape, becoming an owl-bear (or bear-owl if you prefer) is pretty nifty.

You can already do natural attacks from level one. There are several options for claws from races, most skinwalkers have one or two natural attacks(Ragebred can have three with one feat, and five at level two if they are a ranger or barbarian). If they actually get a mix and match Shapeshifting ability it would be new, so I'll give it that. I still think they should be able to full shift at level one. It's kinda what they're supposed to do.

It's like making Wizards wait to get 1st level spells or making Barbarians wait to rage until 5th level.

You can already do natural attacks from level one. There are several options for claws from races, most skinwalkers have one or two natural attacks(Ragebred can have three with one feat, and five at level two if they are a ranger or barbarian). If they actually get a mix and match Shapeshifting ability it would be new, so I'll give it that. I still think they should be able to full shift at level one. It's kinda what they're supposed to do.

It's like making Wizards wait to get 1st level spells or making Barbarians wait to rage until 5th level.

Long-winded disagreement.

I'm pretty pumped for the class! Since a lot of GMs are willing to waive class restrictions for a concept, I'll probably be using it for monstrous and trickster characters more than as druid-paladin. Looking forward to the archetypes!

yeh, but now you'll be able to do claws without being limited to a small amount of races or using any feats

I wonder if a race already has claws if they gain a benefit for being a shifter or will they hope for a good alternate racial trait instead.

I would guess that the players might need take the better, or if the GM is kind, add a bonus to the claws to improve them further. Like 1d6 going either to 1d8, or 1d6+avg claw dice(rounded down to a minimum of 1, so 1d3 claws are 1, 1d4 claws are 2 etc). I'm sure there will be something for races with pre existing claws.

I am hoping for a dragon and werewolf archetype for the shifter....

werewolf giving the ability to enter a hybrid state and dragon having a delayed beast shape but able to turn into a dragon.

Were-Direwolves? I can understand the big ball of fire.

Was there any info about whether Wood kineticists would have enough material to not have to become aero/geo/hydro/pyro/telekinetics?

Was there any info about whether Wood kineticists would have enough material to not have to become aero/geo/hydro/pyro/telekinetics?

I'm not sure if it was said at Paizocon, but one of the devs said if they reprinted wood it would be with basic phyto and positive blast if I remember correctly. So looks good.

Milo v3 wrote:

Was there any info about whether Wood kineticists would have enough material to not have to become aero/geo/hydro/pyro/telekinetics?

I'm not sure if it was said at Paizocon, but one of the devs said if they reprinted wood it would be with basic phyto and positive blast if I remember correctly. So looks good.

I said that on the boards, at the time cagily due to not having announced that it would be in UW. Basic phyto and all current wood wild talents I'm aware of confirmed to be in the book at Paizocon!

What were the playable types of leshy again?

Could we expect non-unchained summoner stuff in the future? Unchained is the only optional system that keeps getting support and it would be nice to see other stuff(like Words of Power) gets some support too. And the 'build your own flavor' summoner.

Still 5-6 months away, that is awhile to wait.

Could we expect non-unchained summoner stuff in the future? Unchained is the only optional system that keeps getting support and it would be nice to see other stuff(like Words of Power) gets some support too. And the 'build your own flavor' summoner.

It doesn't look promising on the summoner front, but fortunately for you most archetypes are backwards compatible. (The new twin summoner, for instance, works with both. Unchained just gets a unique subtype from it.) Words of power is no.

Is the Shifter having any playesting....or are we too late?

I always feel that playtesting of a new class has huge benefits for everyone.

The shifter's mechanics are straightforward enough for internal and limited playtesting to sufficiently work through kinks.

I wonder if there will be a sidebar in the Wood element section discussing what creatures - if any - should be considered to have the wood subtype for use with the draining infusion, as well as with the elemental grip utility talent.

I hope that you can use the positive energy blast with the merciful foliage utility ability.

I hope that you can use the positive energy blast with the merciful foliage utility ability.

It would be nice, though very niche since undead are immune to nonlethal damage, making it mostly useful for taking dhampir and a few similar creatures who are harmed by negative energy alive...

No, it is so that you can deal non-leathal damage with the positive blast to living creatures. So it could be actually useful beyond a undead heavy campaign.

No, it is so that you can deal non-lethal damage with the positive blast to living creatures. So it could be actually useful beyond a undead heavy campaign.

That's an interesting viewpoint, but I'm pretty sure that even nonlethal damage dealt by a positive blast would still be subject to the restrictions that it only deals damage to undead and creatures who are harmed by negative energy, even if merciful foilage allowed it or you did it by using kinetic blade nonlethally. After all, I believe most would agree that a merciful fireball still deals fire damage, just nonlethal fire damage instead of lethal fire damage...

That would potentially be a cool adaptation of merciful foilage if it was rewritten to grant that special ability to positive blasts, though...

That would potentially be a cool adaptation of merciful foilage if it was rewritten to grant that special ability to positive blasts, though...

100% agreed on this point. I may actually adopt this as a houserule. ^_^

After all the merciful foliage was made long before the positive blast was granted to the element.