Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness

All I know is planar adventures better have some Cabal devil in it! :p

I'm becoming worried.....they are not even listed among the Devils in BotD....:(

I wonder if they ever do a dragon based shifter archetype would you have to stick to one type of dragon. Also do we have low level dragon related polymorph spells yet?

Those could be cool and useful, so no, probably not going to get them from Paizo.

Those could be cool and useful, so no, probably not going to get them from Paizo.

Why?

Form of the pseudo dragon would be fun and low level..at least low level enough for shifter 4th wild shape:)

Form of the pseudo dragon would be fun and low level..at least low level enough for shifter 4th wild shape:)

6th level Wild Shape at the earliest due to size, likely 8th because you'd expect a delay over an equivalently-sized animal.

It'd be an odd fit for the book, though.

Azten wrote:

Those could be cool and useful, so no, probably not going to get them from Paizo.

Why?

Because it's more than likely what's going to happen is that it'll say it's for that but fall short of actually being that. I'll point out the terrible "drake" archetypes for this(which the made even worse because it's the only way to get dragon companions that might be useful instead of, for example, the Young White Dragon you need to be at least level 16 and have a Leadership score of 14 to get. At that level you've just wasted time).

So when you ask why my response is precedent, really.

Gorbacz wrote:

Azten wrote:

Those could be cool and useful, so no, probably not going to get them from Paizo.

Why?

Because it's more than likely what's going to happen is that it'll say it's for that but fall short of actually being that. I'll point out the terrible "drake" archetypes for this(which the made even worse because it's the only way to get dragon companions that might be useful instead of, for example, the Young White Dragon you need to be at least level 16 and have a Leadership score of 14 to get. At that level you've just wasted time).

So when you ask why my response is precedent, really.

So, one rules element you're not a fan of means ... I'm sorry, I have a hard time following your logic here, care to walk me through this? No problem if you don't.

Those are just the most relevant examples of Paizo dropping the ball. If you can't think of any others you've heard about, that's okay, but they are out there. I'm just talking about the dragon stuff because it was, again, relevant.

Players hear we'll get something cool, we get something watered down. Players get something cool, it gets made into wasted word count.

Is there a protection from "meh" spell for all the neutral monsters?

Gorbacz wrote:

Azten wrote:

Those could be cool and useful, so no, probably not going to get them from Paizo.

Why?

Because it's more than likely what's going to happen is that it'll say it's for that but fall short of actually being that. I'll point out the terrible "drake" archetypes for this(which the made even worse because it's the only way to get dragon companions that might be useful instead of, for example, the Young White Dragon you need to be at least level 16 and have a Leadership score of 14 to get. At that level you've just wasted time).

So when you ask why my response is precedent, really.

Gah! I'm still trying to forget the drake archetypes.

Is there a protection from "meh" spell for all the neutral monsters?

You know, a cantrip or orison(because true neutral seem really rare to me) might not be a bad idea. Or a first level spell with a longer duration.

Gah! I'm still trying to forget the drake archetypes.

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Is there a protection from "meh" spell for all the neutral monsters?

You know, a cantrip or orison(because true neutral seem really rare to me) might not be a bad idea. Or a first level spell with a longer duration.

But Neutral Evil and "definitely Chaotic Neutral" aren't rare. Also, animals (as per the type) are always Neutral. So are the standard summonable elementals.

A spell that protected against all flavors of neutrality like the current ones protect against all flavors of Evil would be pretty good. Whether it's worth a level 2 slot or a level 1 depends on the campaign and the GM, but definitely not cantrip-level.

Good gravy, is it November yet?

I want to hear people's opinions about sleeping in a bucket.

Good gravy, is it November yet?

I want to hear people's opinions about sleeping in a bucket.

It feels cramped even if the bucket can contain all of your ooziness. ;)

Good gravy, is it November yet?

I want to hear people's opinions about sleeping in a bucket.

Looking forward to crossing it off my bucket list.

Good gravy, is it November yet?

I want to hear people's opinions about sleeping in a bucket.

Gurggle grurgle gruwl awhal wanhoo?

Protection from neutral alignment would be interesting. Though I keep thinking of that Futurama episode with Zapp Brannigan and his distrust of "neutrals"

I wish it was November, well maybe October 31st first, then November:)

Well, if Champions of Balance is anything to go off of, Neutrals got their own holy smite-type spell, dispel evil-type spell, holy word-type spell, and holy aura-type spell.

Well if we have all those then maybe a protection from neutral type spell could happen after all.

I hope the shifter has a lot of different archetypes.

I will take a full BAB martial shape-shifting class any way I can get it! As long as it is cool and thematic and has some umph to it's abilities, I will be happy! Besides, specializing in a few forms could be more powerful than having many. We shall see.

JUST.SO.EXCITED.FOR.THIS.BOOK.

I like the Beastkin Berserker archetype for Barbarian that allows you to benefit from rage AND shapeshift into up to Huge animals

IIRC it also stacks with Invulnerable Rager, which is admittedly a very good archetype ;-)

(Everyone who responded with bucket jokes is a hero)

I hope the shifter gets at least 4+int skill points if not 6+int skill points.

I wonder if the shifter gets any static bonuses, not from it's aspect abilities, like natural armor, resistances, immunities, skill bonuses, etc.

I hope the shifter gets at least 4+int skill points if not 6+int skill points.

I wonder if the shifter gets any static bonuses, not from it's aspect abilities, like natural armor, resistances, immunities, skill bonuses, etc.

It gets claws and Wisdom to AC, conditional on their armor type.

I still just want to know how many aspects there are and what they are.
As much as I was joking earlier, I really strongly hope there's some more exotic and interesting animal aspects in there with unusual abilities or qualities.
Bonus points if there's aspects for (ever underrepresented and underrated) vermin and also possibly some magical beasts.

I still just want to know how many aspects there are and what they are.

As much as I was joking earlier, I really strongly hope there's some more exotic and interesting animal aspects in there with unusual abilities or qualities.
Bonus points if there's aspects for (ever underrepresented and underrated) vermin and also possibly some magical beasts.

So far, the mentioned ones have been owl, bear, bull, and I think tiger. Those are all Hunter aspects, so I'd bet twelve aspects, with the same list as Hunter.

I am also curious about how many aspects you can have and how many there are total to choose from in the book. I also hope there are more exotic/interesting animal(and other) aspects to choose from.

I hope the list is a lot bigger then the hunter's.

Other then wisdom AC and claws of course. I would love to get immunity to disease and/or poison, constant endure elements effect, natural armor bonus, maybe a constant freedom of movement effect at level 17+.

I am also curious about how many aspects you can have and how many there are total to choose from in the book. I also hope there are more exotic/interesting animal(and other) aspects to choose from.

I hope the list is a lot bigger then the hunter's.

Other then wisdom AC and claws of course. I would love to get immunity to disease and/or poison, constant endure elements effect, natural armor bonus, maybe a constant freedom of movement effect at level 17+.

I seem to recall it scaling up to five aspects total. (First and every four levels after that seems likely if I remembered that correctly.) Having more than a dozen aspects in the initial book seems like it'd start cutting them down to pretty small space. While I'd like obscure animals, I'd rather have the basics covered first, and long-term, I'd rather each animal get a decent amount of space, like a Bloodrager's bloodline.

I put together my best guess as to what the Shifter looks like. I'm pretty happy with it.

Considering the shifter is the only class in the book giving it a list of at least 20 aspects wouldn't take up that much room.

You know, a scaling Natural Armor bonus based off your Constitution modifier would've made a lot more sense for a class where you are constantly changing your body, not your mind.

I agree Dragonborn3, a natural armor bonus based on your con mod would make more sense.

I fear Shifter is going to be too Druid for it's own good. Still... it will allow at five attacks at level one for Ragebred Skinwalkers, so that's not bad. It's a thematic class for any of them too.

I hope they have an excellent favored class bonus. Or, more likely, get one in a player companion.

I fear Shifter is going to be too Druid for it's own good.

They'll have archetypes for that.

Azten wrote:

I fear Shifter is going to be too Druid for it's own good.

They'll have archetypes for that.

Like the ooze and dragon and vermin mentioned(or at least thought of) up thread? We have those druids already, so not there.

I think a construct archetype would/could be pretty nifty. Slowly watching as your body became less and less composed of flesh and blood...

QuidEst wrote:

Azten wrote:

I fear Shifter is going to be too Druid for it's own good.

They'll have archetypes for that.

Like the ooze and dragon and vermin mentioned(or at least thought of) up thread? We have those druids already, so not there.

I think a construct archetype would/could be pretty nifty. Slowly watching as your body became less and less composed of flesh and blood...

Ah, I assumed you were talking about the alignment restrictions and stuff. The ooze archetype was something mentioned in the interview as dropping some of those Druid-like aspects. If you mean it's like a Druid more broadly, that seems a little like Bloodrager's similarities to Sorcerer.

I think the only archetype that full drops an alignment is Martial Artist for monk. Since then... Gray Paladin?

I'd rather have the basics covered first, and long-term, I'd rather each animal get a decent amount of space, like a Bloodrager's bloodline.

That's a good idea in principle, but that could easily lead to only having a tiny number of options for a long long amount of time considering how Paizo has been scaling down how much crunch they put in their books.

Well the ooze archetype is confirmed but the dragon, fey, plant, vermin, etc. ones are just wishful thinking;)

The assumption of transforming into your aspect forms, and adding other aspects to it using the hunter foci has me grinning at the idea of making a literal bull frog.

The assumption of transforming into your aspect forms, and adding other aspects to it using the hunter foci has me grinning at the idea of making a literal bull frog.

Owlbears!

jedi8187 wrote:

The assumption of transforming into your aspect forms, and adding other aspects to it using the hunter foci has me grinning at the idea of making a literal bull frog.

Owlbears!

Bearowls!

Dragonborn3 wrote:

jedi8187 wrote:

The assumption of transforming into your aspect forms, and adding other aspects to it using the hunter foci has me grinning at the idea of making a literal bull frog.

Owlbears!

Bearowls!

Bearbears!

shaventalz wrote:

Dragonborn3 wrote:

jedi8187 wrote:

The assumption of transforming into your aspect forms, and adding other aspects to it using the hunter foci has me grinning at the idea of making a literal bull frog.

Owlbears!

Bearowls!

Bearbears!

Perhaps a nice bear-bear-bear-owl-bear?

Mr.Dragon wrote:

I still just want to know how many aspects there are and what they are.

As much as I was joking earlier, I really strongly hope there's some more exotic and interesting animal aspects in there with unusual abilities or qualities.
Bonus points if there's aspects for (ever underrepresented and underrated) vermin and also possibly some magical beasts.

So far, the mentioned ones have been owl, bear, bull, and I think tiger. Those are all Hunter aspects, so I'd bet twelve aspects, with the same list as Hunter.

As long as wolves are an option at the very least. Hopefully dragons as well, but that would probably take an archetype.

List of animals from the hunter aspect that might be on the shifter's list.

Bat, bear, bull, falcon, frog, monkey, mouse, owl, snake, stag, tiger, and wolf.

Hopefully there will also be badger, boar, fox, horse, lizard, octopus, shark, and turtle.

List of animals from the hunter aspect that might be on the shifter's list.

Bat, bear, bull, falcon, frog, monkey, mouse, owl, snake, stag, tiger, and wolf.

Hopefully there will also be badger, boar, fox, horse, lizard, octopus, shark, and turtle.

I could get damn close to a Manticore with that.....hmmmm

TOZ wrote:

shaventalz wrote:

Dragonborn3 wrote:

jedi8187 wrote:

The assumption of transforming into your aspect forms, and adding other aspects to it using the hunter foci has me grinning at the idea of making a literal bull frog.

Owlbears!

Bearowls!

Bearbears!

Perhaps a nice bear-bear-bear-owl-bear?

Katara: The King is having a party at the palace tonight for his pet bear.

Aang: You mean Platypus-Bear?

Sokka: Certainly you mean his pet Skunk-Bear.

Toph Beifong: Or his Armadillo-Bear.

Sokka: Certainly you mean his pet Skunk-Bear.

Aang: Gopher-Bear?

Katara: Just... Bear.

Toph Beifong: This place is weird.

I would love a platypus-bear:)

I would love a platypus-bear:)

But they look so mean!