Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness

You and wood Dragon. I think you just like it because it burns so well...

You can see here, that the Iconic Shifter is probably Osirani:

XXX, iconic human Shifter

You can see here, that the Iconic Shifter is probably Osirani:

XXX, iconic human Shifter

Or possibly Arcadian.

Marco Massoudi wrote:

You can see here, that the Iconic Shifter is probably Osirani:

XXX, iconic human Shifter

Or possibly Arcadian.

I believe she is definitely Arcadian since if you look at her art in the paizocon blog the image on her skirt is the design of a mesoamerican glyph and not a hieroglyph.

She looks Arcadian to me.

Regardless,

I still think she'd make a nice druid figure for someone.

You can see here, that the Iconic Shifter is probably Osirani:

XXX, iconic human Shifter

Chicken-Hands is Arcadian, IMO.

I think the Mad Arab, Al-Hazred's sister Alhazra is about as close to an Osirioni Iconic as we are going to get.

I wonder what all the classes that will get love in this book will be, or maybe it would be easier to find out what classes are left out.

I wonder what all the classes that will get love in this book will be, or maybe it would be easier to find out what classes are left out.

Some classes are less intuitively 'wilderness' themed, and / or more tied to urban or social situations, such as the Bard, Vigilante, Rogue, Wizard, Investigator, Alchemist, etc. but there's also plenty of precedent for woodsy bandit-rogues and herbal alchemists, so, really, just about anything goes.

Obviously classes like Druid, Ranger and Hunter would be the most 'on theme,' but that might just mean that those three classes are the least in need of more wilderness-themed options...

Clerics, as is always the case, are either very much on-theme (Clerics of Gozreh) or closer to off-theme (Clerics of Abadar), depending on your choice of deity. :)

As always, I'd hope for more options for less-thematically-obvious choices, like a Vigilante archetype that goes 'native' and turns into a woodsy ranger-type, while also having a more city-based social persona (so that you can play a character who is good in both environments, for a game that travels between city and wilderness, or one that is focused around turning one into the other, such as Kingmaker, so that your character can be 'Rangery' when dealing with the untamed Stolen Lands, and 'Bardish' when managing the new-fledged kingdom).

The iconic shifter's eyes are bird like, hinting at more than just just claws pre full wild shape.

As for classes usually there's a mix of obvious and totally off theme classes supported in these. I hope for more off brand. Usually feats and expanded options favor on theme classes, while archetypes tend slightly favor off theme classes. I don't feel like there is much need to make a ranger or barbarian more nature compliant, so I'm hoping for more wild takes on civilized classes.

Other than the shifter, I doubt we'll get much for paladins...

Well we know that the alchemist, bard, brawler, druid, hunter, inquisitor, investigator, mesmerist, kineticist, paladin, ranger, rogue, and slayer will be getting some love. Of course the shifter will get some love as well. I would be surprised if they left out cleric, barbarian, skald, shaman, and witch.

Really? Paladins will get love in this book? I'd like a source for that if you don't mind.

Really? Paladins will get love in this book? I'd like a source for that if you don't mind.

Product description.

New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, kineticists, mesmerists, paladins, rangers, rogues, slayers, and more!

Doh...

The Brawler was mentioned by the devs but everything else I said will be in there is in the product description.

Though I agree that Paladins are a weird choice, at least we might get some nature themed archetypes for them.

So what, more paladins of Erastil then themed thingies?

So what, more paladins of Erastil then themed thingies?

Erastil, a stag-headed woodsy archer, being so different than the usual 'Paladin gods' like Heironeus, Torm or Corean (or Iomedae, for that matter) sure does lead to some opening up of that class! Usually the woodsy archer is someone like Ehlonna, Mielikki or Tanil, a CG goddess, and more of a patron of Rangers.

I like how that one design choice, years ago, makes the Paladin not only suitable, but appropriate to appear in a book like Ultimate Wilderness, where, more generally, Paladins are creatures of advanced societies and civilizations, and they're main interaction with 'the wild' would be in working to counter threats it presents to the people it protects.

I'd love to see either an arcane Hunter/Ranger, or a nature-based Magi, especially with an animal companion and/or Fey theme. I'm probably getting my hopes up, but hey.

I'd love to see either an arcane Hunter/Ranger, or a nature-based Magi, especially with an animal companion and/or Fey theme. I'm probably getting my hopes up, but hey.

I would love all of those options.

A Paladin that's more like a Druid and must be Nuetral Good could be pretty interesting.

A nature based magus would be interesting. Some fey/first world focused medium, occultist, and spiritualist archetypes would be cool as well.

I'd love a fey inspired magus. Or nature magus. Neutral good druid like Paladin could be fun. And anything for occult classes would make me happy.

Would really love a fey/first world based swashbuckler archetype.

Fairy Tale Adventures will probably be another book...

Nutcase Entertainment, I doubt that, but I would be interesting if they actually went there:)

I think that Fairy Tale adventures would be in a book titled "Ultimate Fey" or "Ultimate First World". But that's just my opinion.

I wonder what kind of mesmerist archetypes we will get, maybe a snake charmer, a Dr. Dolittle wannabe, a plant controlling one, a fey charmer, etc.

I wonder what kind of mesmerist archetypes we will get, maybe a snake charmer, a Dr. Dolittle wannabe, a plant controlling one, a fey charmer, etc.

A fey-themed Mesmerist sounds thematically appropriate.

A 'wilderness' themed Mesmerist that specializes in controlling animals would be crazy cool, potentially, changing the Mesmerist into a quasi-Hunter animal-handler...

Yeah, but if that archetype gave the mesmerist an animal companion, I wonder what and how many class features you would need to trade for that. Let alone the ability to speak with animals at will/always active.

Well I know of one shifter archetype we will never see...

One that focuses on equines, changing into horses, ponies, etc. and eventually changing into horse-like or part horse creatures like centaurs, unicorns, pegasi, hippocampi, ichthyocentaur, dragon horses, etc.;)

You can see here, that the Iconic Shifter is probably Osirani:

XXX, iconic human Shifter

I wonder if she lives in castle and turns into a falcon named Zoar?

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So what, more paladins of Erastil then themed thingies?

Erastil, a stag-headed woodsy archer, being so different than the usual 'Paladin gods' like Heironeus, Torm or Corean (or Iomedae, for that matter) sure does lead to some opening up of that class! Usually the woodsy archer is someone like Ehlonna, Mielikki or Tanil, a CG goddess, and more of a patron of Rangers.

I like how that one design choice, years ago, makes the Paladin not only suitable, but appropriate to appear in a book like Ultimate Wilderness, where, more generally, Paladins are creatures of advanced societies and civilizations, and they're main interaction with 'the wild' would be in working to counter threats it presents to the people it protects.

In Dragonlance, I believe that Habbakuk could have paladins as well.

I kinda hope there's an alternative to tumor familiars for alchemists... like the ability to grow an (alchemically enhanced?) leshy familiar.

Like a fungus/mold or parasite familiar?

Semi-sentient vines that root into your skin in a strange form of mutually beneficial symbiosis?

I want Rage + Shapeshifting

Shapeshifting Bloodrager would be great

I want Rage + Shapeshifting

Shapeshifting Bloodrager would be great

Shapechanger bloodrager bloodline is found in the Legacy of the First World player companion.

Also, draconic bloodrager turns into a dragon, and arcane bloodragers can turn into a lot of things.

Like a fungus/mold or parasite familiar?

ahtlete foot familiar

Still could use a lycanthrope bloodrager(and sorcerer) bloodline;) Also would still like to see vampire, giant, and (magical) beast bloodlines.

Vampire bloodline seems like a perfect fit for Ultimate Wilderness, right next to Paladin of Jesus Christ PrC and lazor blaster gunslinger archetype.

I think the Sanguine Wildblooded bloodline covers vampires.

Giant bloodline would be the worst idea ever, if not for the existence of Orcs of Golarion.

Giant bloodline would be the worst idea ever, if not for the existence of Orcs of Golarion.

*shrugs*

Some people like em big.

As for magical beast bloodlines... we all remember Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask. So, we know how that happens.

Sometimes I wish bloodlines didn't always seem to mean 'Granny Elf did an [bloodline type creature] on a dare and, well, now you [bloodline ability]."

On an unrelated topic I looked at the cover art again. With at least eight werewolves(?) I think our Iconic Witch is going to get shredded.

Sometimes I wish bloodlines didn't always seem to mean 'Granny Elf did an [bloodline type creature] on a dare and, well, now you [bloodline ability]."

Conveniently, they don't! Reading Core Rulebook sometimes helps: "This source can represent a blood relation or an extreme event involving a creature somewhere in the family's past. For example, a sorcerer might have a dragon as a distant relative or her grandfather might have signed a terrible contract with a devil."

Yes, but anytime Bloodlines are thought up people go right for the 'birds and the bees' approach. I made a post a few years ago describing different ways a bloodline might come into existence without that, such as discovering a flawed lich's phylactery or being raised by a dragon. Pretty much had to since my ooze bloodline idee made some people uncomfy. XD

As for magical beast bloodlines... we all remember Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask. So, we know how that happens.

Well I'm playing Reign of Winter, so my character knows what former means, but wait what, how is Mummy's Mask potential for that one? O-o

... ooze bloodline ...

Your Great-grandfather was an oozechemist?