Pathfinder Adventure Path #116: Fangs of War (Ironfang Invasion 2 of 6) (PFRPG)

Nut,I think that's unlikely.

But I do think PERHAPS! we might get Hexcrawling stuff in another AP that Crystal Fraizer might write about/design/etc.

I mean, there's still Casmoran(sp), right?

My thoughts exactly! Kingmaker whereever I look!

Ruyan.

PS: Any chance for KM paper minis #4,5, and 6, Crystal? *sweet glance à la owl bear puppy*

Actually, I would love a sidebar on incorporating Fangwood Keep module into the AP as a side quest. Reign of Winter had this for the Frostfell module. Maybe something to dump in the new section?

And is it too late to ask for this AP to be hex crawl kingdom builder 2.0? 'Cause if it is, I'm not afraid to make some modifications under the hood. A little N02 if you will...

The least you could do (without knowing any specifics) is to either replace one of the presented fortresses with Fangwood Keep or, if you want to expand on the Kingmaker aspect, have Fangwood Keep as the seed for the PCs kingdom.

Ruyan.

i really like the cover art.

I am really liking the color scheme on this AP!

The description has definetly been updated/changed from before.

I like the idea of being on the run from a black dragon behaving like a man, who leads Hobgoblins and having to take out small fortresses along the way.
Sounds like rogues that sneak in and kill stealthy are a good option.

What are the Bestiary Creatures?

What's special about Ibzairiak the Black Dragon?

What are the Bestiary Creatures?

Ambergrim - ooze with a paralytic interior (CR 6)

A lineup of additional hobgoblin threats—both individuals and organizations—to add extra menace to your Ironfang Invasion or any other campaign, by Mark Moreland.

Can someone who has the book elaborate on this?

Descriptions of seven hobgoblin organizations (Blood's Legacy, Cantorian Supremacy, Fists of Feilong, The Iron Ring, Shadowmasks, Silent Sands, and Wartongues), followed by writeups of two individual hobgoblins (Gaugagh the medium and Qa'al the gunslinger), including stat block, lore, and artwork.

And all these foreign groups can be involved in the Ironfang Invasion campaign? Seems a bit far-fetched.

Anything about Molthune in this book?

And all these foreign groups can be involved in the Ironfang Invasion campaign? Seems a bit far-fetched.

I doubt it, and I don't think that's necessarily the point of this particular article.

Anything about Molthune in this book?

Molthune doesn't play a part in this installment, no. Indeed, based on the foreword in Ironfang Invasion #1: Trail of the Hunted, it's my impression that Molthune doesn't play an active part in the adventure path as a whole.

I so I guess the bestiary theme for this series is Leshies? by the looks of thing?

Also, if any of the writers are paying attention, are the Anhana and Ocahancanu based on any sort folkloric creature? the latter especially has some of the odd and very specific traits I associate with folklore.

But there must be at least some answer to "How does Molthune respond to the Ironfang Legion's conquests?"

But there must be at least some answer to "How does Molthune respond to the Ironfang Legion's conquests?"

They ignore them for the most part, at least until the legion enters the Molthune plains in a later volume.

The Molthuni don't really care because at the moment they are only hurting there enemy, Nirmathas

But there must be at least some answer to "How does Molthune respond to the Ironfang Legion's conquests?"

Axial, there's a nice little "NIRMATHAS AND... NOT MOLTHUNE?" box in the foreword to the first adventure which explains pretty much what's the status of Molthune in the AP and directs to "Continuing the Campaign" in the not-yet-released final adventure as the place where more info can be found. And that's pretty much it. It's not an AP about the Nirmathas-Molthune conflict, Molthune features in this adventure as a background reference and part of the lore, but not a direct element. The storyline in the first two adventures does not really concern with what happens to Molthune and what is it's role in the story.

Ohh sweet my copy came in!

*flits to bestiary to check out what's inside*

Sweet new bugs!

Dammit! No stats for new vermin animal companions T-T.

Does anyone know why Paizo hasn't done a vermin companion stat up since like Ultimate Magic? Was there like a memo that said I'd never get animal companions stats for giant poisonous cockroaches?

They ignore them for the most part, at least until the legion enters the Molthune plains in a later volume.

The Molthuni don't really care because at the moment they are only hurting there enemy, Nirmathas

That was my assumption. That they sit and wait it out.

Axial, there's a nice little "NIRMATHAS AND... NOT MOLTHUNE?" box in the foreword to the first adventure which explains pretty much what's the status of Molthune in the AP and directs to "Continuing the Campaign" in the not-yet-released final adventure as the place where more info can be found. And that's pretty much it. It's not an AP about the Nirmathas-Molthune conflict, Molthune features in this adventure as a background reference and part of the lore, but not a direct element. The storyline in the first two adventures does not really concern with what happens to Molthune and what is it's role in the story.

I'm aware that the AP isn't based around the conflict.

But I'm interested in it for two reasons: one, I want to make it so PCs who play Molthuni characters can be better integrated into the campaign. I won't know how to do that until I have the volumes, but I figure I would start asking questions. I can see reasons why individual, independent Molthuni characters could decide that the Ironfang Legion will eventually march south, that they're a greater threat compared to Nirmathas, and that it might be a good idea to deal with the threat now.

The other is that I'd like to have Nirmathas and Molthune cooperating against the legion in the final volumes of the AP. The PCs will help broker this alliance, and if they are successful, the two countries will set aside their hatred and unite against the hobgoblins on the field of battle.

Two things I'd do:

1. Wait for the whole AP to see how and if the "Continuing the Campaign" helps *and* how can you fit Molthune into the final volumes.

2. Prepare for moderate-to-heavy GM work, because the AP doesn't really go where you want to take it.

I understand.

I'd definitely not want the Molthune thing to be too intrusive, and I will try to fit it into the framework of the existing plot. I want to organically expand the narrative, not replace parts of it.

And there are many ways to do that.

Well, I wouldn't say that there are exactly many ways to do that, because having a Molthuni PC in a village full of people who'd rather hang him or her high isn't the best setup ... my advice?

Well, I wouldn't say that there are exactly many ways to do that, because having a Molthuni PC in a village full of people who'd rather hang him or her high isn't the best setup ... my advice?

** spoiler omitted **

So, a similar thing actually comes up in the first volume.

It should also be noted that the Ironfang Legion is formerly a Molthune formation, responsible for a recent war atrocity. You are able to recognize their insignia as that as the people responsible for the "Ramgate Massacre." So there's a good chance that everyone, Molthune and Nirthrami alike, will assume the Ironfangs are acting under Molthune orders, at least at first. Which will make it difficult for Molthune NPCs to be welcomed without some work.

Loving the artwork. This is an adventure I'd be excited to play in.

I so I guess the bestiary theme for this series is Leshies? by the looks of thing?

Also, if any of the writers are paying attention, are the Anhana and Ocahancanu based on any sort folkloric creature? the latter especially has some of the odd and very specific traits I associate with folklore.

I wrote those. They're both derived from monsters from Cantabrian mythology, from northern Spain.

Generally, authors of AP adventures are invited and encouraged to contribute one or two monsters to that volume's bestiary. I think I always have; in this volume, the anhana and ohancanu are mine. (One or both show up in the adventure, too, but I'm avoiding more spoilers than that!)

Ohh sweet my copy came in!

*flits to bestiary to check out what's inside*

Sweet new bugs!

Dammit! No stats for new vermin animal companions T-T.

Does anyone know why Paizo hasn't done a vermin companion stat up since like Ultimate Magic? Was there like a memo that said I'd never get animal companions stats for giant poisonous cockroaches?

As Paizo's resident bug fanatic (and someone who's played a bug druid with a scorpion companion), I do understand your sadness at not having companion stats for these bugs. It totally came down to a space versus variety issue. If I would have presented companion stats, that would have taken two of the vermin out of that spread (and it was hard enough limiting myself to just four!—all the bugs!!!)

MMCJawa wrote:

I so I guess the bestiary theme for this series is Leshies? by the looks of thing?

Also, if any of the writers are paying attention, are the Anhana and Ocahancanu based on any sort folkloric creature? the latter especially has some of the odd and very specific traits I associate with folklore.

I wrote those. They're both derived from monsters from Cantabrian mythology, from northern Spain.

Generally, authors of AP adventures are invited and encouraged to contribute one or two monsters to that volume's bestiary. I think I always have; in this volume, the anhana and ohancanu are mine. (One or both show up in the adventure, too, but I'm avoiding more spoilers than that!)

Ahhh...Wikipedia has them as the Anjana and Ojancanu. I figured if they were real monsters they derived either from somewhere around/near Spain. That or the Philippines.

Was definitely not expecting a prestige class in this book, but it looks fairly fun! Always glad for more prestige classes, especially ones that can be done in APs like this one.

Ok, what is the name of the prestige class and general theme, if someone is willing?

Ok, what is the name of the prestige class and general theme, if someone is willing?

Ok, what is the name of the prestige class and general theme, if someone is willing?

It is impossible to acquire in the module because of one of its prerequisites

doc the grey wrote:

Ohh sweet my copy came in!

*flits to bestiary to check out what's inside*

Sweet new bugs!

Dammit! No stats for new vermin animal companions T-T.

Does anyone know why Paizo hasn't done a vermin companion stat up since like Ultimate Magic? Was there like a memo that said I'd never get animal companions stats for giant poisonous cockroaches?

As Paizo's resident bug fanatic (and someone who's played a bug druid with a scorpion companion), I do understand your sadness at not having companion stats for these bugs. It totally came down to a space versus variety issue. If I would have presented companion stats, that would have taken two of the vermin out of that spread (and it was hard enough limiting myself to just four!—all the bugs!!!)

Ahh. Might there be a chance you guys could throw them up here?

Also, how does this rule translate to the larger hardcovers? As it stands we haven't gotten a single bug statted for companions since UM and never in ANY of the bestiaries.

Valantrix1 wrote:

Ok, what is the name of the prestige class and general theme, if someone is willing?

It is impossible to acquire in the module because of one of its prerequisites

I believe the intent is that players path into the class at some point in the third book.

I have a question about a creature involved in one of the encounters that maybe one of the adventure developers could answer because there is a lack of a description in the text, so it is difficult that another poster could help.

thenovalord wrote:

Valantrix1 wrote:

Ok, what is the name of the prestige class and general theme, if someone is willing?

It is impossible to acquire in the module because of one of its prerequisites

I believe the intent is that players path into the class at some point in the third book.

CR13 opening encounter? Look forward to seeing the best time to fulfilling the tricky prerequisite

I have a question about a creature involved in one of the encounters that maybe one of the adventure developers could answer because there is a lack of a description in the text, so it is difficult that another poster could help.

** spoiler omitted **

Not a developer, but Tainted Blood is a special quality of the blighted fey template from Inner Sea Bestiary (pg. 7). Any creature that bites, swallows whole, or ingests part of the fey has to make a Fort save or take 1 point of Str damage and 1 point of Dex damage. A minute later they have to make a second save or be nauseated for 1 minute and take 1d6 Str and Dex damage.

Michelle A.J. wrote:

thenovalord wrote:

Valantrix1 wrote:

Ok, what is the name of the prestige class and general theme, if someone is willing?

It is impossible to acquire in the module because of one of its prerequisites

I believe the intent is that players path into the class at some point in the third book.

CR13 opening encounter? Look forward to seeing the best time to fulfilling the tricky prerequisite

I'll make it work. I love prestige classes. Either way, thanks for the info Michelle!

Yay! We're getting more mythical creatures! And the Ohancanu is a fey? That's awesome!

Wannabe,

We are?! Where?!!

Wannabe,

We are?! Where?!!

Two types of Fey in this AP volume's bestiary, the Anhana and Ohancanu, are both from Spanish folklore. They turn up on Google as Anjana and Ojancanu if you want to do more research, but in the AP they're spelled how they're pronounced. And the Anhana is not to be confused with the Brazilian Anhanga.

AH!! I thought you meant MYTHIC fey...

I see that nobody has mentioned that the Chernasardo Warden is the second Paizo prestige class to make use of the Aligned Class mechanic that was first introduced for the Evangelist prestige class.

Yep!

But it's only 6 levels spread out altogether, not 9 like the Evangelist. Still very nice :3

Don't you mean 5 levels?

Yep, sorry, miscounting early in the morning >_<

Hmmm.

So what happens if Evangelist levels are aligned with the Chernasardo Warden class... which is itself aligned with the Evangelist class? :]

I think you have to pick a base class but I'm not sure.

The same thing that happens when you divide by 0. Usually nothing, sometimes calculus.

Boring answer: Each class specifies the aligned class must be one you took before the prestige class. The choice cannot be changed. The most extreme case would be aligning one to the other, but even that would be pretty silly.

The most extreme case would be aligning one to the other, but even that would be pretty silly.

Dunno... something like;

10 levels of Ranger
1 level of Chernasardo Warden (aligned to Ranger)
9 levels of Evangelist (aligned to Chernasardo Warden)

would yield;

Ranger 15 / Chernasardo Warden 10 / Evangelist 10

Could be workable / not silly.

CB,

Not sure that's actually how that works...