Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 6 (PFRPG)

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

Is there anything in the product description we haven't talked about yet?

I feel like the Green Man, the god haunted statues, and the entothrope didn't get the attention they deserved. What are the entothrope anyway? Does anyone know?

I believe entothropes are the verminous versions of lycanthropes.

And here I was dreaming of a template to turn vermins into humanoids. But verminous lycans? That's great as well.

I'm really anxious to see the templates in this book.

We didn't talk much about the green man, living statues haunted by dead gods, and the entothropes but we have talked about them;)

The Green Man is a figure from Eastern European mythology. The Slavs called him a Leshy, but that word was already used for something else in Pathfinder. He resembles a wizened, bearded, man, made out of leaves and shrubbery. He's a trickster spirit, and is quite powerful and considered to be the ruler of the forest. I would imagine that he'll probably be a high CR Fey, but I could also see him as a Plant, Monstrous Humanoid, or Outsider. He's been known to have quite a few different powers, but ruling over animals is one of the most noteworthy. In some stories, his appearance changed with the seasons.
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The Green Man is a figure from Eastern European mythology. The Slavs called him a Leshy, but that word was already used for something else in Pathfinder. He resembles a wizened, bearded, man, made out of leaves and shrubbery. He's a trickster spirit, and is quite powerful and considered to be the ruler of the forest. I would imagine that he'll probably be a high CR Fey, but I could also see him as a Plant, Monstrous Humanoid, or Outsider. He's been known to have quite a few different powers, but ruling over animals is one of the most noteworthy. In some stories, his appearance changed with the seasons.

While I would love to add him to the list of my second favorite creatures - the fey - after seeing that Krampus didn't stand among them, I'm almost sure the Green Man is also in other type category. As you said, most probably Outsider or Plant. I hope at least, if not a fey, he is the second most powerful plant creature (after that Great Old One).

I am hoping he is a fey.

The Wild Hunt and the Green Man in the same book, that would be a good addition to the fey type.

Wannabe Demon Lord wrote:

The Green Man is a figure from Eastern European mythology. The Slavs called him a Leshy, but that word was already used for something else in Pathfinder. He resembles a wizened, bearded, man, made out of leaves and shrubbery. He's a trickster spirit, and is quite powerful and considered to be the ruler of the forest. I would imagine that he'll probably be a high CR Fey, but I could also see him as a Plant, Monstrous Humanoid, or Outsider. He's been known to have quite a few different powers, but ruling over animals is one of the most noteworthy. In some stories, his appearance changed with the seasons.

While I would love to add him to the list of my second favorite creatures - the fey - after seeing that Krampus didn't stand among them, I'm almost sure the Green Man is also in other type category. As you said, most probably Outsider or Plant. I hope at least, if not a fey, he is the second most powerful plant creature (after that Great Old One).

Wait...did I miss something?!? Krampus not Fey?! WTH?! I am officially disappointed.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Wannabe Demon Lord wrote:

The Green Man is a figure from Eastern European mythology. The Slavs called him a Leshy, but that word was already used for something else in Pathfinder. He resembles a wizened, bearded, man, made out of leaves and shrubbery. He's a trickster spirit, and is quite powerful and considered to be the ruler of the forest. I would imagine that he'll probably be a high CR Fey, but I could also see him as a Plant, Monstrous Humanoid, or Outsider. He's been known to have quite a few different powers, but ruling over animals is one of the most noteworthy. In some stories, his appearance changed with the seasons.

While I would love to add him to the list of my second favorite creatures - the fey - after seeing that Krampus didn't stand among them, I'm almost sure the Green Man is also in other type category. As you said, most probably Outsider or Plant. I hope at least, if not a fey, he is the second most powerful plant creature (after that Great Old One).

Wait...did I miss something?!? Krampus not Fey?! WTH?! I am officially disappointed.

James Jacobs said here that he will be a monstrous humanoid.

I would be interested in seeing the Mishibijiw / 'water panther' be in this (or another) bestiary.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

Is there anything in the product description we haven't talked about yet?

I feel like the Green Man, the god haunted statues, and the entothrope didn't get the attention they deserved. What are the entothrope anyway? Does anyone know?

I believe entothropes are the verminous versions of lycanthropes.

I first read this as venomous lycanthropes. I had visions of weresnakes. ;)

Weresnakes would be nice though they could make a new type of serpentfolk that is a shapeshifter and spy.

Fourshadow wrote:

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Wannabe Demon Lord wrote:

The Green Man is a figure from Eastern European mythology. The Slavs called him a Leshy, but that word was already used for something else in Pathfinder. He resembles a wizened, bearded, man, made out of leaves and shrubbery. He's a trickster spirit, and is quite powerful and considered to be the ruler of the forest. I would imagine that he'll probably be a high CR Fey, but I could also see him as a Plant, Monstrous Humanoid, or Outsider. He's been known to have quite a few different powers, but ruling over animals is one of the most noteworthy. In some stories, his appearance changed with the seasons.

While I would love to add him to the list of my second favorite creatures - the fey - after seeing that Krampus didn't stand among them, I'm almost sure the Green Man is also in other type category. As you said, most probably Outsider or Plant. I hope at least, if not a fey, he is the second most powerful plant creature (after that Great Old One).

Wait...did I miss something?!? Krampus not Fey?! WTH?! I am officially disappointed.

James Jacobs said here that he will be a monstrous humanoid.

I now has a sad. ;_;

I was also disappointed with news of Krampus not being a fey.

What's the big deal, he still stuffs people in a bag, except now he can do it better, with more hit points or whatever. :-)

Krampus is a physical menace.

Fey suck at being physical menaces because d6 hit die and slow BAB.

You either need to inflate their HD, resulting in the same problems as 3.5 undead, or cheat with "doesn't work for anybody else" +5 keen falchions as in case of Vilderavn.

Remember, this is a game, things need to work mechanically as well as thematically.

Krampus is a physical menace.

Fey suck at being physical menaces because d6 hit die and slow BAB.

You either need to inflate their HD, resulting in the same problems as 3.5 undead, or cheat with "doesn't work for anybody else" +5 keen falchions as in case of Vilderavn.

Remember, this is a game, things need to work mechanically as well as thematically.

Vilderavns don't cheat. They are perfectly fair and friendly fellows. Those erlkings cheat with their "+10 Favored Enemy: You". As a reminder, this is Mark posting this, not a vilderavn who ate his heart and is wearing his identity as a disguise.

Gorbacz wrote:

Krampus is a physical menace.

Fey suck at being physical menaces because d6 hit die and slow BAB.

You either need to inflate their HD, resulting in the same problems as 3.5 undead, or cheat with "doesn't work for anybody else" +5 keen falchions as in case of Vilderavn.

Remember, this is a game, things need to work mechanically as well as thematically.

Vilderavns don't cheat. They are perfectly fair and friendly fellows. Those erlkings cheat with their "+10 Favored Enemy: You". As a reminder, this is Mark posting this, not a vilderavn who ate his heart and is wearing his identity as a disguise.

>_>

<_<

... how do we know the Mark we've known this whole time wasn't a Vilderavn from the beginning?

P.S. Vilderavns kick ass.

... how do we know the Mark we've known this whole time wasn't a Vilderavn from the beginning?

We don't. We've just gotta take it on fey-th.

... ow.

I like the Erlking's +10 favored enemy "you".

Gorbacz wrote:

Krampus is a physical menace.

Fey suck at being physical menaces because d6 hit die and slow BAB.

You either need to inflate their HD, resulting in the same problems as 3.5 undead, or cheat with "doesn't work for anybody else" +5 keen falchions as in case of Vilderavn.

Remember, this is a game, things need to work mechanically as well as thematically.

Vilderavns don't cheat. They are perfectly fair and friendly fellows. Those erlkings cheat with their "+10 Favored Enemy: You". As a reminder, this is Mark posting this, not a vilderavn who ate his heart and is wearing his identity as a disguise.

If it were we'd see you posting faster than usual, because Vilderavns cheat with permanent Haste, too.

I hope the fey get as much love in the book and on the previews as they are getting here. =)

Are the playable races mentioned on the description confirmed as the only ones in the book?

I hope the fey get as much love in the book and on the previews as they are getting here. =)

Are the playable races mentioned on the description confirmed as the only ones in the book?

I'm 99.999% sure that the five zero-HD races we mention in the description are the only ones in the book, yes. As with all zero-HD races, whether or not you can play one as a PC depends on your GM; these five cover a VERY wide range of power, somewhat analogous to the range between a goblin and a drow matron.

I am sure that the munavri is the one on the drow noble/matron level unless one of the races is actually stronger then even them.

Wereravens, Werespiders, Wereapes, and Wereserpents would be cool. :D

So let's see, we have the following Celestials in other manuals:

Agathion, Mustelidal
Agathion, Procyal
Angel, Kuribu
Angel, Erelim
Archon, Mote Swarm
Archon, Hammer
Archon, Codex
Archon, Preceptor
Azata, Nualidu

I wonder if we'll see any of them in the Bestiary 6? I personally think we need some more new Azata and Agathion to be honest. :D

You're missing a few celestials there. ^_^

I don't have a full list, but off the top of my head, there was one in the Andoran book, one in the Magnimar book, one in Shattered Star, and one in Occult Bestiary.

I would be fine if all the celestials in the book are reprints.

You're missing a few celestials there. ^_^

I don't have a full list, but off the top of my head, there was one in the Andoran book, one in the Magnimar book, one in Shattered Star, and one in Occult Bestiary.

Shoot, your right. Hopefully this is the full list of Celestials not featured in the Core Bestiaries. Please let me know if I missed any kay?

Agathion, Cervapral
Agathion, Mustelidal
Agathion, Procyal

Angel, Erelim
Angel, Iophanite
Angel, Kuribu
Angel, Ninkonda

Archon, Codex
Archon, Hammer
Archon, Mote Swarm
Archon, Stag

Azata, Nualidu
Azata, Raelis
Azata, Thyrlien
Azata, Uinuja
Azata, Veranallia
Azata, Yamah

I would be fine if all the celestials in the book are reprints.

Considering many DM's only allow Core Pathfinder material in their campaigns, yeah, I'd be just as okay with that as I would with any new Celestials being added. :D

That looks much closer. ^_^

(There's some there that even I'd have to look up.)

Have they reprinted the bishop agathion yet?

Raelis Azata is in Bestiary 5, as Kalindlara says it's the Bishop you're missing.

There's a lesson about chess in there somewhere.

Maybe.

What books are they all found in?

Hell's Vengeance (most of them), Magnimar, City of Monuments (Yamah Azata), Shards of Sin (Bishop Agathoin, looks like Admiral Akbar), Occult Bestiary (Uinija or however it's spelled), Inner Sea Gods (Stag Archon, Iophanite), and Chronicles Of The Righteous (Veranalia).

Not a bad list, considering I didn't reference any books, went on memory, and finished it before my first cup of coffee.

Hell's Vengeance had some really cool ones. :-)

Hell's Vengeance Celestials.

Kuribu Angel (book one)
Erelim Angel book two)
Hiracapath (heavenly bull, also book two)
Nualidu Azata (book three)
Lythirium (goodly plant wolf deer hybrid, book three)
Mederach (goodly maternal heavenly spiders, book three)
Xiuh Couatl (psychic, the only good creature in book four)
Hammer Archon (book five)
Zana (fey that are both male, and female, book five)
Mustelidal Agathoin (book six)
Ninkonda Angel (book six)
Mote Archon Swarm (book six)

That's all from Hell's Vengeance.

I didn't get Hell's Vengeance so I hope at least some of these guys made it into B6.

What is the name of the five player race. Any chance to no what is the last 2 race for Starfinder ?

What is the name of the five player race.

If you look at the product description up there...

Strange new player-character-suitable races like the canine rougarou, the watery fey naiad, the crazed monkey goblin, and the Lovecraftian yaddithian, Darklands-dwelling munavri.

So...

1) Monkey Goblin (reprint from Inner Sea Bestiary)
2) Munavri (reprint from Occult Bestiary)
3) Naiad
4) Rougarou
5) Yaddithian

At least some of the races are new, Bestiary 4 were all reprints.

Has anyone speculated on what the Strangely Sentient Oozes might be?

Has anyone speculated on what the Strangely Sentient Oozes might be?

All I know is that they cannot be Dralasites (from Star Frontiers).

Well we already have sentient oozes, so strangely sentient might be mythos related or from another plane or dimension, hopefully the maelstrom if that is the case.

Well we already have sentient oozes, so strangely sentient might be mythos related or from another plane or dimension, hopefully the maelstrom if that is the case.

I asked earlier and James said the sentience of the ooze was the "strange" aspect.

Dragon78 wrote:

Well we already have sentient oozes, so strangely sentient might be mythos related or from another plane or dimension, hopefully the maelstrom if that is the case.

I asked earlier and James said the sentience of the ooze was the "strange" aspect.

Folks are trying to read more into this than there actually is. There's a new "category" of ooze in this book and they have shared powers that are supernatural and skew them toward the 13 to 18 CR range or thereabouts. They are not from the outer planes though.

So they are a related group/type of ooze?

It would be cool to types of oozes from various planes like positive, negative, ethereal, astral, maelstrom, dimension of dreams, dimension of time, etc.

So they are a related group/type of ooze?

It would be cool to types of oozes from various planes like positive, negative, ethereal, astral, maelstrom, dimension of dreams, dimension of time, etc.

I'm frankly not all that interested in going that route with many monsters, true dragons being the only exception (we've already done this in Bestiary 2, for example). One of the values to me of the various planes is that they are incredibly varied and different and each represents their own unique challenge and theme and type of play. Having a category of creature that has a representative on each plane kinda homogenizes the planes in a way I don't really enjoy.

Hell's Vengeance had that many celestials? Dang!

Not seeing the source elsewhere in the thread, the Procyal Agathion is from book three of Hell's Rebels.

Dragon78 wrote:

So they are a related group/type of ooze?

It would be cool to types of oozes from various planes like positive, negative, ethereal, astral, maelstrom, dimension of dreams, dimension of time, etc.

I'm frankly not all that interested in going that route with many monsters, true dragons being the only exception (we've already done this in Bestiary 2, for example). One of the values to me of the various planes is that they are incredibly varied and different and each represents their own unique challenge and theme and type of play. Having a category of creature that has a representative on each plane kinda homogenizes the planes in a way I don't really enjoy.

I'm so grateful to get these insights on your conception of setting design.

Dragon78 wrote:

So they are a related group/type of ooze?

It would be cool to types of oozes from various planes like positive, negative, ethereal, astral, maelstrom, dimension of dreams, dimension of time, etc.

I'm frankly not all that interested in going that route with many monsters, true dragons being the only exception (we've already done this in Bestiary 2, for example). One of the values to me of the various planes is that they are incredibly varied and different and each represents their own unique challenge and theme and type of play. Having a category of creature that has a representative on each plane kinda homogenizes the planes in a way I don't really enjoy.

I'm happy to know that the ooze are getting a category of creatures, and a really powerful one (CR raging from 13 to 18). I wouldn't like a category of ooze from the outer planes. That's something that would work out better if each of them were independent creatures, with their own traits and ecology.

To be fair, I'm still trying to accept that in all the three heavens, planes filled with angels, azatas and other unique outsiders, there might be only one breed of True Dragon. I would rather have one dragon for each plane in the outer sphere, but I know that something exhaustive to do and would break the "group of five".

Anyway, that nothing a GM can't solve with some adjustments. I'm glad we are getting a "North" for the concept in Bestiary 6.

I didn't say a category of ooze from the planes, I was talking about having some from those planes period! I didn't say they are a related group. It would be cool too see oozes made of positive energy, negative energy, "dream matter", Raw chaotic energy, constantly shifting matter, time energy/temporal matter, light, mental energy/thought constructs, etc.

I was looking on the PRD at the previous bestiaries and noticed that some of the reprints were from the inner sea bestiary. So it got me thinking, will other individuals be reprinted from the inner sea bestiary (such as the monkey goblin and the shadow giant)? What kind of bestiary/codex would you put legendary figures like Baba Yaga (who has an already strong presence in Pathfinder, given the demon lord in bestiary 4 and the crone queens)? And can you confirm any race in bestiary 6 that doesn't have racial hit dice and could be used as a playable character?