FallenDabus |
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FallenDabus wrote:I didn't say it was "not usually mythos," just "not usually a Great Old One." It was mentioned in there, sort of. You'll need to wait and see more.James Jacobs wrote:Marco Massoudi wrote:Yup. We have 3 Great Old Ones showing up in Bestiary 6. One of which is one from Lovecraft that hasn't traditionally been categorized as a Great Old One, but for the purposes of Pathfinder can be... it's a pretty tough one too!Dear James,
are there more Great Old Ones in B6?
I love your write-ups in Strange Aeons.
Thanks for answering our questions and being the patient nice guy you are.
If it's not usually Mythos, was it meantioned in the Elder Mythos article in In Search of Sanity?
Also, dinosaur hugs for your patience and involvement on the forums. You are one of the things that makes Paizo great!
Hmmm, the game is afoot then! I'm going to hold out that we are getting one of Nyarlathotep's Avatars in a "lesser" form, but as you say, we shall see. It's very exciting, I've been loving the Great Old Ones so far!
The Gold Sovereign |
Maybe his "humanoid" incarnation as the Black Pharaoh. You known, just like the King in Yellow is could be a lesser "avatar".
But, anyway, WOW! B6 is becoming insane (that's not meant to be a pun because of the GOO's). As Dragon78 pointed, we already know about 21 demigod "like" beings, including the three kaiju.
The Gold Sovereign |
Dragon78 wrote:Will the 5 new "true" dragons get more flavor text as well?Unfortunatley, no. The choices we made in how to present true dragons prevents us from that luxury, alas.
Well, we're always hoping for a cool campaign setting to answer this lack of flavor... :-)
Dragons: Revisited 2... Unleashed 2... of Golarion... Inner Sea... XD
Well, at least, did the new true dragons get higher CR? The average ancient Red, Umbral and Dream dragons are CR 19, while the average ancient Gold, Sovereign and Time dragons are CR 20.
Kalindlara Contributor |
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In addition, Mr. Jacobs is (understandably) hesitant to do too much of that on the forums. It's basically unpaid work, for one thing. For another, he's said on frequent occasion that he would prefer not to have "official material" of exactly this sort put out via random messageboard posts, where it will be lost in the shuffle.
So, asking for a book (unlikely though it may be) is the correct call here. ^_^
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Giving a little background info on the dragons isn't that too much different than the questions I see in the Question topic. They can atleast try, maybe somebody answers, just like they answered to my Karkadann vs Smilodon question in an awesome way. Asking for 4 pages for each of the 5 dragons isn't gonna work, they already know the answer to that. No.
Nightterror |
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They aren't my questions, I care less for dragons. I just gave a tip to Dragon78 and the others that crave for more dragon fluff.
Maybe they could even start a blog after bestiary 6 is out, with every week another fluff story on the paizo blog about a dragon. If so many people want more fluff for dragons. (And some other creatures) Just a thought though.
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James Jacobs Creative Director |
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They aren't my questions, I care less for dragons. I just gave a tip to Dragon78 and the others that crave for more dragon fluff.
Maybe they could even start a blog after bestiary 6 is out, with every week another fluff story on the paizo blog about a dragon. If so many people want more fluff for dragons. (And some other creatures) Just a thought though.
If we do the hard work of generating new flavor text (hate hate HATE the term "fluff"), it's gonna be in a book, not on a blog post.
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Rysky wrote:Or since he's working on this book and nice enough to hang out here and answer questions about this book, why not ask him questions about things in this book? :3You know, respectfully and without rancor, as that causes him more problems and headaches than polite questions.
Wouldn't a rancor require a deal with Lucas Film, though?
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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Giving a little background info on the dragons isn't that too much different than the questions I see in the Question topic. They can atleast try, maybe somebody answers, just like they answered to my Karkadann vs Smilodon question in an awesome way. Asking for 4 pages for each of the 5 dragons isn't gonna work, they already know the answer to that. No.
That's underestimating the amount of work it takes to generate flavor text for any monster, much less something as significant as a set of new dragons. It's not something that exists already. We know we will only have a few lines for flavor text for the dragons, and that's all we generate for a bestiary. The names and types and roles of the dragons suggested by these lines and their name certainly suggest huge roads we could travel down to produce pages and pages of content for their flavor, but those pages don't currently exist.
There is no "cutting room floor" scraps to pick up and post to a blog, in other words.
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FallenDabus |
The idea that the new great old one is an avatar of Nyarlathotep is on the right track... but it's not an avatar of Nyarlathotep.
Mwa ha ha.
Now you have me really intrigued! I will have to come back to this one. My first thought would be another Hastur avatar, like the Green Lama, but that's just because I've been working on various mythos mystery cults for Chronicles of Darkness and CoC's Japan sourcebook is rife with timelines and plothooks for me to latch on to.
Maybe one of the members of Azathoth's court?
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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Dragon78 wrote:Actually it is:
8 Archedevils
4 Horsemen
3 Empyreal Lords
3 Kaiju
3 Old Ones
SOLD!!!
On another note to no one in particular...have there been dinos in every bestiary so far? Not including the soft cover bestiaries.
There have been, because a Bestiary without dinosaurs is a waste of effort and a crime against Desna.
Lemartes |
Lemartes wrote:There have been, because a Bestiary without dinosaurs is a waste of effort and a crime against Desna.Dragon78 wrote:Actually it is:
8 Archedevils
4 Horsemen
3 Empyreal Lords
3 Kaiju
3 Old Ones
SOLD!!!
On another note to no one in particular...have there been dinos in every bestiary so far? Not including the soft cover bestiaries.
Thanks saves me an hour looking through all of them.
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Lemartes wrote:There have been, because a Bestiary without dinosaurs is a waste of effort and a crime against Desna.Dragon78 wrote:Actually it is:
8 Archedevils
4 Horsemen
3 Empyreal Lords
3 Kaiju
3 Old Ones
SOLD!!!
On another note to no one in particular...have there been dinos in every bestiary so far? Not including the soft cover bestiaries.
Not to mention makes Shelyn cry. No one wants that, do they?
James Jacobs Creative Director |
DungeonmasterCal |
Sounds familiar but I haven't researched megafauna in years.
There are a few images that are not Elasmotheriums, but there is a life size reproduction with two guys standing next to it for scale. They're frickin' huge. Elephant sized. They also had longer legs in proportion to their bodies than modern rhinos so they may have been pretty fast when they wanted to be, too.
The Gold Sovereign |
I've come to understand that in a bestiary rules and options are the main subject, while the description section is more part of the "were you can use it" subject. As Mr. Jacobs said, the names and the text for dragons are already enough for the purpose of a bestiary, and I dare to say that even their rules/abilities can be taken into consideration for setting purpose. We can save the "flavor text" for other books (even Planes of Power gave us this "fluff" =P we desired for the primal dragons, and it isn't even a book focused on dragons).
That said, I'm far more interested in the CR of the dragons in Bestiary 6. In fact, I'm curious about the average challenge rating of the book, not only for the dragons. I'm really excited about this bestiary mainly because it suggests that we are getting a really good number of high level foes - with deities and epic foes such as Krampus.
But as a dragon lover, I can't deny that they are in my top priority (alongside the fey and magic beasts).
The Gold Sovereign |
The idea that the new great old one is an avatar of Nyarlathotep is on the right track... but it's not an avatar of Nyarlathotep.
Mwa ha ha.
WoW... I don't know if I should take it as "it's not an avatar" or "it's not Nyarlathotep". I guessing the new GOO isn't Nyarlathotep, but indeed an avatar.