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Of course it's a succubus. It always is. ^_^
I'm forced to agree with Nightterror - for once, I'd like to see a less pretty monster as the sample redeemed creature. Redeem a nalfeshnee for me!
(I do still love Arueshalae, though.)
I did a redeemed ultroloth back in 3.5 in Dragon magazine. :)

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People always take the easy way out. Redeem a Vrock, Destrachan or Hezrou and were talking. And it it needs to be a pretty girl at least use the Marilith
Redeemed, or at least non-evil, destrachans would be valuable allies to the araneas & spiderfolk in their war against the xill. Trust me on this.
I agree and as a side note I think Rysky might be part marilith... but good luck redeeming her.

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Why are Destrachan (underground creature) at war with the Xill which live on the Ethereal plane?
What is the story behind this war and hate? And what chance does a 4 armed humanoid have against at creature that commands the very sounds?
Xills are good in making powerful enemies it seems, I wouldn't want to have Night Hags , Destrachan and Phase Spiders to be my enemies.

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Kalindlara wrote:I did a redeemed ultroloth back in 3.5 in Dragon magazine. :)Of course it's a succubus. It always is. ^_^
I'm forced to agree with Nightterror - for once, I'd like to see a less pretty monster as the sample redeemed creature. Redeem a nalfeshnee for me!
(I do still love Arueshalae, though.)
And wasn't there also A'kin the Friendly Fiend, a reformed-if-insane arcanaloth? I seem to recall that he and Shemeska the Marauder had a 'difficult' relationship.

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It doesn't have to be a binary division of all/most fey, it could be used in one small area of the first world or even on earth. Heck having 4 templates related to each season would be interesting.
It's not gonna change, though. Not only did we want to avoid the binary setup that Jessica pointed out, but frankly, the whole seelie/unseelie fey stuff is cliched when it comes to fey. Just as we wanted to avoid the crutch of prophecy in Pathfinder and Golarion, we wanted to do something new and interesting with fey. The First World is our solution.
If you're looking for stuff like this that we're not interested in doing there are plenty of 3rd party publishers that take up those threads. In particular, check out Advanced Bestiary—it's FILLED with templates, including ones like you mention. In fact, the seasonal templates are in that book at my suggestion—back when Matt Sernett was writing the book he and I brainstormed ideas and the seasonal template was one of mine.
Matt was working at Paizo at the time. The redone version was developed by Owen, who works at Paizo now. We've used templates from that book from the beginning and continue to do so to this day. The book's got as strong a gamer pedigree as it possibly could have, in my opinion, and it has another advantage over Bestiary 6 in that it's available Right Now.

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Kalindlara wrote:I did a redeemed ultroloth back in 3.5 in Dragon magazine. :)Of course it's a succubus. It always is. ^_^
I'm forced to agree with Nightterror - for once, I'd like to see a less pretty monster as the sample redeemed creature. Redeem a nalfeshnee for me!
(I do still love Arueshalae, though.)
Can you please point me to the issue in question?

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Todd Stewart wrote:Can you please point me to the issue in question?Kalindlara wrote:I did a redeemed ultroloth back in 3.5 in Dragon magazine. :)Of course it's a succubus. It always is. ^_^
I'm forced to agree with Nightterror - for once, I'd like to see a less pretty monster as the sample redeemed creature. Redeem a nalfeshnee for me!
(I do still love Arueshalae, though.)
Wrath of the Righteous #4 The Midnight Isles....

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nightflier wrote:Wrath of the Righteous #4 The Midnight Isles....Todd Stewart wrote:Can you please point me to the issue in question?Kalindlara wrote:I did a redeemed ultroloth back in 3.5 in Dragon magazine. :)Of course it's a succubus. It always is. ^_^
I'm forced to agree with Nightterror - for once, I'd like to see a less pretty monster as the sample redeemed creature. Redeem a nalfeshnee for me!
(I do still love Arueshalae, though.)
I think they meant the 3.5 Dragon Magazine issue.

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Espy Lacopa wrote:Originally yes, but 3.5 DnD isn't in production anymore so now Pathfinder is 1pp for it and compatible products.Dragon78 wrote:Not interested in the Advanced Bestiary, I do not buy third party products.But isn't Pathfinder a 3pp of 3.5 D&D?
Except. . .Pathfinder isn't made by the first party (Wizards of the Coast). So it can't be 1pp.

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Rysky wrote:Except. . .Pathfinder isn't made by the first party (Wizards of the Coast). So it can't be 1pp.Espy Lacopa wrote:Originally yes, but 3.5 DnD isn't in production anymore so now Pathfinder is 1pp for it and compatible products.Dragon78 wrote:Not interested in the Advanced Bestiary, I do not buy third party products.But isn't Pathfinder a 3pp of 3.5 D&D?
Wizard of the Coast did not create Pathfinder nor do they produce Pathfinder products, so in regards to Pathfinder products they are not 1pp. If WoTC did start producing Pathfinder compatible products then they would be 3pp, not 1pp.
WotC is 1pp in regards to their IP, which is DnD, not Pathfinder.

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What is and isn't 3pp is probably best reserved for a non product thread.
That said, Pathfinder has existed for long enough that you can get a pretty good sense of what stuff may someday show up and what stuff will never show up. Although I LIKE the fairy court trope, it's not something that is likely to be developed or show up in a Paizo product, since it does conflict with the current Eldest set up that the company is going with for the campaign setting. Looking for 3pp material that covers that is going to be more productive than hoping it shows up and being disappointed when it doesn't.

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They can have fairy courts even with the Eldest. It's not like there will not be fey with CR21-25 level power. The first world is vast in size and very malleable. We also know that there were once more Eldest then we have now and might be more out there we do not know about as well. There are many possibilities in this setting if you use your imagination.

Espy Lacopa |
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There are many possibilities in this setting if you use your imagination.
And that imagination is being used by things like the Advanced Bestiary. Because Paizo has OTHER ideas that they want to use and its clear that they have neither the time nor space to deal with every single idea that players could want in their games.

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They can have fairy courts even with the Eldest. It's not like there will not be fey with CR21-25 level power. The first world is vast in size and very malleable. We also know that there were once more Eldest then we have now and might be more out there we do not know about as well. There are many possibilities in this setting if you use your imagination.
Sometimes less is more.

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We've used templates from that book from the beginning and continue to do so to this day.
Yep, the Advanced Bestiary and Tome of Horrors get used in APs and for stat blocks in other places so much that they could nearly be considered part of the 'Pathfinder canon'. Can't think of any other 'third party' material which has been used as extensively by Paizo.

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Not interested in the Advanced Bestiary, I do not buy third party products.
Then you're locking yourself out of content you would enjoy that we will never provide for you because it's not something we're interested in creating.
In any case, books like the Advanced Bestiary are good enough for me to use in products we publish at Paizo, so I don't know what else I can say to convince folks that, yes indeed, you CAN buy and enjoy books from other publishers.

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James Jacobs wrote:We've used templates from that book from the beginning and continue to do so to this day.Yep, the Advanced Bestiary and Tome of Horrors get used in APs and for stat blocks in other places so much that they could nearly be considered part of the 'Pathfinder canon'. Can't think of any other 'third party' material which has been used as extensively by Paizo.
Book of Fiends and Tome of Horrors both come to mind as books we've used more than Advanced Bestiary.

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CBDunkerson wrote:Yep, the Advanced Bestiary and Tome of Horrors get used in APs and for stat blocks in other places so much that they could nearly be considered part of the 'Pathfinder canon'. Can't think of any other 'third party' material which has been used as extensively by Paizo.Book of Fiends and Tome of Horrors both come to mind as books we've used more than Advanced Bestiary.
*blink*
<runs off to store section to find out what-the-heck 'Book of Fiends' is>

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James Jacobs wrote:CBDunkerson wrote:Yep, the Advanced Bestiary and Tome of Horrors get used in APs and for stat blocks in other places so much that they could nearly be considered part of the 'Pathfinder canon'. Can't think of any other 'third party' material which has been used as extensively by Paizo.Book of Fiends and Tome of Horrors both come to mind as books we've used more than Advanced Bestiary.*blink*
<runs off to store section to find out what-the-heck 'Book of Fiends' is>
It's an older Green Ronin book that expanded on demons, devils, and daemons. While we use a few of the monsters in there now and then, the main thing that we use from it is the qlippoth. We've expanded on the type of qlippoth, but several of those in Bestiary 2 were first published in Book of Fiends.
Written by one Erik Mona, in fact.

Justin Franklin |

I also recommend the Book of Fiends. too bad they never did a similar book for Celestial and other similar beings.
Book of the Righteous has some of that, and is a very cool book as well.

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I'm still hoping that Book of Fiends gets eventually update to Pathfinder version, just like how Tome of Horrors and Advanced Bestiary did
I mean, it would definitely at least make buying pdf easier since I'm not sure where it is available .-. At least not in shops I use...

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Hopefully there will be more info for this product soon so we can stop talking about 3pp.
Yes, it is kind of shocking/disappointing to see so much deviation from the board's rules--particularly from the Developers.
It has been nice to get some juicy tidbits of what is and is not in this book from time to time...would be nice to get back to that. I am really curious about the Wild Hunt.
My favorite category of dragon has been Primal. Interesting to find out what the new category is...

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Kalindlara wrote:Agreed.I don't really see it as deviation. Someone asked for a thing that Paizo doesn't intend to produce, and the developers took some time (out of their busy schedules) to recommend products that would match their desires.
It seemed very helpful, if you ask me. ^_^
Indeed. One of the things I've always enjoyed about Paizo is their willingness to communicate with us on these forums, even if I don't always agree with their opinions. I would hate for some people's viewpoints to discourage them from such communication.