Correct. Not everything needs to be or SHOULD be infinitely expandable. Sometimes things are defined by the fact that they have relatively narrow and low-number groupings.
That's nothing to do with CR though. That's stopping because in your view it fits their themes for them to be limited in variations.
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And because part of the nightshade theme is that there's a specific nightshade to epitomize different movements—originally flying, burrowing, walking, and flying. That expanded with the nightskitter and the addition of a climb rate.
Now I want a teleporting Nightwarp.
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Nightblooms would be stronger than the prowler, skitter and nightwing, but weaker than the others. They would be black/purple flowers not fungus. Those are nightspoors.
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And what about the Nightterror? A spoiled nightshade that can summon mythlology monsters into battle
I would stat "Nightterror" as a small size CR6 imp like creature that likes to scare children and "lives" under their bed.
Obviously a Nightterror should be a colossal incorporeal outsider of the dimension of dreams that warps reality within itself into a nightmare based on that Bestiary 5 mirage monster.
I could see there being a niche for a sessile, plant-based Nightshade if they are based on different forms of locomotion.
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Correct. Not everything needs to be or SHOULD be infinitely expandable. Sometimes things are defined by the fact that they have relatively narrow and low-number groupings.That's nothing to do with CR though. That's stopping because in your view it fits their themes for them to be limited in variations.
That part has nothing to do with CR, but the basic theme of nightshades being powerful undead fiends does—they're SUPPOSED to be high CR monsters at the top tier of the game, and CR 10 is lower than I'd ever anticipated them getting and is my self-imposed limit as to how low they can go.
(Nightstalkers have been in the game for decades—they were first introduced in the BECMI box sets as foes for higher level PCs to fight—above 14th level, which classicly had a dearth of undead foes. Third edition, which focused on game play from 1st to 20th level quite strongly for the first time, got hit with the fact by AD&D's classic lack of undead above 12 or so Hit Dice, and so they graduated the nightstalkers from the boxed D&D games into 3rd edition in the original 3rd edition Monster Manual, but for some time they remained the top tier of undead. Incidentally, that's why, in the 1st Monster Manual for D&D, all the classic undead fit entirely into the CR 1 to CR 12 band or thereabouts.)
I can't wait to see what the final cover looks like. I hope there will be a kaiju on the cover but more then likely it will be a archdevil and/or at least one of the horsemen.
Has it been confirmed that Ragathiel will be in this book?
Hopefully the cover art will be updated before the end of the year.
As long as there are no:
1: Normal Animals
2: Lovecraft critters
3: Goodguys/Gentle Creatures
4: Science Fiction monsters
On the cover i'm fine with it. Otherwise I find it an abominable cover or a very repeative one in the case of lovecraft.
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Szuriel cover!
I will second that, Rysky! How can I resist her shark fangs? *-*
Speaking of the four horsemen, B6 would be a good opportunity to introduce the stat blocks for their steeds as well - Chloros, Grace of the Flame, Halflight and Septisaeus.
What is a horsemen without their signature horses? That could work as a template or variation for the nightmare with small differences to emphasize their rider.
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My little apocalypse ponies will more then likely have to wait for B7;) Though I would like to rename them Blooddancer, Wormfeast, Rotgut, and Sparkles.
My little apocalypse ponies will more then likely have to wait for B7;) Though I would like to rename them Blooddancer, Wormfeast, Rotgut, and Sparkles.
I was thinking they could be placed in the same entrance of their riders, as the companions and mounts do, so they could be in the same bestiary as their riders, but that would probably mean no ilustration for them... =/
Which one is Sparkles?
I was guessing the same, Rysky.
The first thing that came into my mind was an angry pony on shining fire screaming "come at me bro!", and that would be the war nightmare. But them Blooddancer made me think in a pony frantically swinging a flail, and so I got confused.
Which is which, Dragon? XD
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Blooddancer is war, Wormfeast is pestilence, Rotgut is famine, and Sparkles is death;)
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I am glad you liked them Rysky. Anyway back to the subject at hand, other then the demi-god level creatures what else do you guys hope will be on the final cover art?
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I am glad you liked them Rysky. Anyway back to the subject at hand, other then the demi-god level creatures what else do you guys hope will be on the final cover art?
If it's colossal in size, I would like to see the statues haunted by dead gods as the central. I will also add krampus and the two headed elder wyrm, as well as the naiad.
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I would like the naiad if the art is actually female. I would like to see a true dragon make the cover for once as well. But I wouldn't mind seeing the two headed elder wyrm instead of one of the true dragons.
I also hope that the cover illustration is loyal to the ones used in the actual entrance.
In B5, the grim reaper art in the cover is terrific, while the art used for the creature entrance was just "cool" - the one in the cover felt more unique, while the other is the common concept we see everywhere for a reaper.
I really disliked the deep one one the previous cover. So much better and more special creatures to choose from. It was a lovecraft thing probably that it got chosen...
Perhaps I'm the only one wondering, but what kind of animal companions do you guys think we're going to see out of this one?
The new animal companions could be anything ...except maybe anteaters;)
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It should be Dire Echidnas!
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It would be cool to see bestiary 10+.
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The new animal companions could be anything ...except maybe anteaters;)
What's wrong with anteaters?
It looks like we have talked about everything in the product's description. Maybe we will get a product update soon or at least some interesting news about this product so we can start again.
Are you sure you didn't miss a spot?
I am sure, every thing in this product description has been talked about by at least someone on the board;)
... someone's already given this 5 stars...
I really wish that you couldn't do a review until the product has been released.
Eh, people get excited. Plus it was written on Halloween, I'm sure the holiday excitement became too much to hold in. :-)
Edit: Or the day before Halloween. :-)
I wonder if we will ever see the Sandpoint devil reprinted in a bestiary. It will more then likely be under a different name but it would be nice.
I wonder if we will ever see the Sandpoint devil reprinted in a bestiary. It will more then likely be under a different name but it would be nice.
I seem to remember it being in the Inner Sea Bestiary...not sure, been awhile since I looked.
It has not been in a hardbound Bestiary, IIRC.
No, the sandpoint devil is a unique creature not a template, it was stated up in the Inner Sea World Guide. But I want to see it in a hardcover bestiary. In fact I would like most of the other creatures in the Inner Sea World Guide and Inner Sea Bestiary stated up in a hardcover bestiary.
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No, the sandpoint devil is a unique creature not a template, it was stated up in the Inner Sea World Guide. But I want to see it in a hardcover bestiary. In fact I would like most of the other creatures in the Inner Sea World Guide and Inner Sea Bestiary stated up in a hardcover bestiary.
Um, but it was statted up in a bestiary in a hardcover.
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I would like to suggest bestiary 7 (and we all know there will be a bestiary 7) be a collection of all the monsters that have appeared in over tens years worth of product but aren't in a collected bestiary yet. It has become rather difficult to find some of those guys. I know that the next product to follow would once again include stuff that wasn't in a collection but you know every ten years or so seems about right to collect the tons of guys who have slipped through the cracks. Anyone with me on this?
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No, the sandpoint devil is a unique creature not a template, it was stated up in the Inner Sea World Guide. But I want to see it in a hardcover bestiary. In fact I would like most of the other creatures in the Inner Sea World Guide and Inner Sea Bestiary stated up in a hardcover bestiary.
I downloaded the Bestiaries.
I may be confusing Plague Beast where they used a horse as the example.
But I can't help thinking I saw the Sandpoint Devil elsewhere. Maybe one of the Revisited Campaign Settings. I think it may have been classified as half-fiend.
I could be wrong about that too.
It shows up again in the Rise of the Runelords hardback. It has (possibly)fiendish origins, and if I remember correctly any children it has with normal horses are half-fiends.
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I am super excited for this Bestiary more than any before it for one simple reason. One word even. KRAMPUS! I cant wait to see what Paizo comes up with for stats of this legendary creature. I hope they do some other holiday creatures. Samhain maybe. Also interested in a lovcraftian player race. March cant come fast enough.
Samhain? That's a festival, not a creature.