
Ed Reppert |

"everything you need to take your adventures into the royal courts and noble houses of the Pathfinder campaign setting"
Well, maybe. It seems to me that a discussion of armory, or more popularly heraldry (the system by which coats of arms and other armorial bearings are devised, described, and regulated) would be a natural for a book like this, but based on James Jacobs' statements that there is little interest, if any, in the subject at Paizo, I'm betting there won't be much, if anything, on it in this book. OTOH, maybe that won't disappoint any customers, except for me. :-)

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"everything you need to take your adventures into the royal courts and noble houses of the Pathfinder campaign setting"
Well, maybe. It seems to me that a discussion of armory, or more popularly heraldry (the system by which coats of arms and other armorial bearings are devised, described, and regulated) would be a natural for a book like this, but based on James Jacobs' statements that there is little interest, if any, in the subject at Paizo, I'm betting there won't be much, if anything, on it in this book. OTOH, maybe that won't disappoint any customers, except for me. :-)
Look, you need to hire a history major to do this right, else Jake the OCD heraldry fan will drown the forum in raging flame about how the coat of arms of House Jeggare is a BLATANT RIPOFF of the CoA of Drusecu family (Romania, XIII century) and also how it fails to follow the established Eastern European tradition of having griffons stick out their tongue while present on the arms. I can why Paizo thinks the return of investment on this is crappy.

Hayato Ken |
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Good point Raven Black. It´s a player companion though and that could at least be 50% in a campaign setting.
To avoid misunderstandings, this is not a call for Inner Sea High Courts!
Next Inner Sea book should be: "Inner Sea Immigrants" featuring immigrants from Tian Xia, Arcadia, Casmaron and elsewhere. Eox and the black dominion if need be.

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Jake's arguments would be irrelevant, of course, since Golarion is not Earth.
Sure it isn't, but it draws enough from Earth cultures as to invite comparisons. See: every argument about how a Golarion creature that is lifted from Earth myth/folklore/cryptozoology is or is not true to the source material.

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That said, some pointers on how the elite distinguishes itself from the common people in the various cultures of the Inner Sea (and beyond) would be great to more faithfully create and play high society adventurers ;-)
Money. Or, rather, gold. And power.
-Skeld

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It's probably too late to introduce this to Golarion cannon, but I always liked the idea of "high" court languages and "low" regular-people versions. Like "High Taldane" spoken by anyone who is anyone in Oppara, and "Low Taldane," aka "Common" spoken by riffraff around the Inner Sea.

Thomas Seitz |

Thomas Seitz wrote:Will it be stuck in your head...for The Longest Time?Gah. Another Joel song that will be stuck in my head. You truly are the embodiment of evil! :p
Also still think evil princesses and linnorms will be involved...
If I knew where you lived Luthorne I'd be at your door right now...
(note to hug him, not kill him)

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The Raven Black wrote:That said, some pointers on how the elite distinguishes itself from the common people in the various cultures of the Inner Sea (and beyond) would be great to more faithfully create and play high society adventurers ;-)Money. Or, rather, gold. And power.
-Skeld
I was thinking of the little things that show in an adequate fashion that you do possess these and indeed belong to the elite (vs both the plebs and the parvenus)
For example : tastefully arranged smears that would be cleaned by Prestidigitation to show that you have actual servants taking care of your wardrobe

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The problem with this is that, just like in the real world, class gives such incredible advantages that party balance should be destroyed.
The Golarion equivalent of Prince Harry begins play with a+5 flaming burst longsword, +5 celestial armour, similarly awesome other items, permanent buffs from a level 18+ caster... And a squad of 20 level 10+ rangers to protect him.
PCs have to play down-on-their-luck nobles who somehow lacks the networking and background experiences/advantages. So, not-really-nobles...

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The problem with this is that, just like in the real world, class gives such incredible advantages that party balance should be destroyed.
The Golarion equivalent of Prince Harry begins play with a+5 flaming burst longsword, +5 celestial armour, similarly awesome other items, permanent buffs from a level 18+ caster... And a squad of 20 level 10+ rangers to protect him.
PCs have to play down-on-their-luck nobles who somehow lacks the networking and background experiences/advantages. So, not-really-nobles...
Based on most statblocks in the campaign setting, Prince Harry of Golarion also has 5+ levels in PC classes ;-)
And his royal grandma is level 10+ :-))

steelhead |

Ah, this work was in Andoran, Birthplace of Freedom. Kind of ironic you should use this art as a place holder for a High Court book when Andoran doesn't truly have a High Court as it is a democracy.
Hmmm. No "High Court" politics a democracy. When I think of all the deal brokering and shenanigans that occur in the White House it seems that a whole campaign based on intrigue could be founded in a democratic nation.

Pagan priest |
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Good point Raven Black. It´s a player companion though and that could at least be 50% in a campaign setting.
To avoid misunderstandings, this is not a call for Inner Sea High Courts!Next Inner Sea book should be: "Inner Sea Immigrants" featuring immigrants from Tian Xia, Arcadia, Casmaron and elsewhere. Eox and the black dominion if need be.
Okay, then I'll call for an Inner Sea High Courts book. Although, I do have to admit that an "Immigrants" book sounds interesting, too.

David knott 242 |
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Dragon78 passed on this one, so we're not getting the weekly "I hope the cover gets updated soon" post ;-)
Okay, I'll do it then.
I hope the cover gets updated soon!
However, I cannot promise to repeat this post every week until it happens -- in fact, I probably won't. ;)

Mariel Uth Kaldar |
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Mariel Uth Kaldar wrote:This looks like it will be a neat book. One of the things I liked in the 3.5 Dragonlance setting was the use of the noble class. Is there something similar in Pathfinder?The vigilante's social identity and the phantom thief rogue archetype both do a decent job, in my opinion. ^_^
In addition, the noble scion prestige class (noted earlier) is an option as you level up.
Very nice! Thanks for this information.

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Am I too late to ask for evil princesses kidnapping poor linnorms?
I keep telling people, we already have one.
Her name is White Estrid.

Thomas Seitz |
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Thomas Seitz wrote:Am I too late to ask for evil princesses kidnapping poor linnorms?I keep telling people, we already have one.
Her name is White Estrid.
CB,
We need more. Plus White Estrid isn't evil.

John Kretzer |
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CBDunkerson wrote:Thomas Seitz wrote:Am I too late to ask for evil princesses kidnapping poor linnorms?I keep telling people, we already have one.
Her name is White Estrid.
CB,
We need more. Plus White Estrid isn't evil.
The linnorm might disagree with you on that point.